Talk:CKY (band)

Updates
I just went through and updated some of the information. The Australian tour happened a while back now, so no mention of it being "recent" was necessary. I combined the two small lines about touring and edited them to be more up-to-date.

The band has not confirmed nor hinted that the next album will be out in 2007, and as work on it has not yet started that timeframe is highly unlikely. I edited the part referring to the next album to better match the concrete information available.

CKY signed with Roadrunner Records http://www.ckyalliance.com/news/detail.cfm?newsID=362 and has stated there will be new music in 2007. 24.53.135.65 19:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Aw, man
Dude, you're giving people the wrong idea about CKY. Have you seen CKY live? I have, and there wasn't a stunt or a goddamn skateboard in sight. Will I set up a poll on the Alliance? I don't mind having a CKY template, but make a separate one for the band. Please.
 * It's not about CKY live and skateboarding, nor is it a content issue. If you're a big fan you're well aware of the relationship between the band, Bam and the CKY videos. You can go all the way to AskCKY if you like, doesn't change the validity of the template. Deizio talk 17:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ask CKY
Don't be afraid to include AskCKY pages as a cited reference, it's a great resource because it's written by the band. Much better than myspace or a forum. Deizio talk 17:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

My Edits 1/14/07
Changed Matt's band assignment to simply "bass" as the band considers him their full-time bassist and he will be performing on the next album.

Labels fixed. CKY did not sign to Island records in 1999, they signed in 2001. CKY were signed to Volcom Entertainment from 1999-2001.

Removed "Past Members" as none of the members in question had ever contributed to the albums. Andy Smith was never a member of CKY, he was one of many bassists in Pre-CKY project "Foreign Objects".

Removed the info at the end of "Later Career" regarding the last Euro tour and the "small string of dates" in December. The European Tour was months ago, and the December shows have already occured. New year, no need for that info.

Removed link to www.campkillyourself.net. This is not an official website, it is a fansite, and it has not been updated in well over a year.

I put back the link to CKY's MySpace. I see that it was removed as per wiki's rules on linking to MySpace, but had Deiz bothered to read the exact rule, it states that MySpace linking should be avoided "Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject". MySpace.com/CKY is CKY's official, BAND RUN MySpace page, and is considered the secondary source of information by the band after CKYAlliance.com. CKY Guy 04:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well thanks. In addition to launching the CKY wikiproject, I'm also a member of the external links project and a contributor to the guideline, so let me point out a couple of things. a) It's a guideline, not a policy or "rule". b) there is constant flux on that page, particularly regarding myspace, youtube etc. so the version you're looking at right now cannot be considered gospel, and c) the CKY (band) page attracts all kinds of vandalism, misinformation and nonsense, so if on one of my many reversions, updates, repairs and fixes I dared to remove a myspace link then I guess you can shoot me. If you stick around a while, you'll get a better feel for the way policies and guidelines evolve, and about interacting with other editors. In the meantime, calm yourself down and join up at WP:CKY. Deizio talk 07:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Merged
Merged the OiL page into the CKY one. PaddyBoii 14:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Edits 3/5/07
1. Andy Smith was NEVER a member of CKY, only pre-CKY projects. As this is a page about CKY, his listing as a "Past Member" is erroneous.

2. Ask CKY should be written as such, two words. This is how it is written throughout the rest of the article, but for whatever reason one instance of it continues to be reverted to "ASKCKY".

3. CKYForums.com is NOT an official CKY website, and therefore it should never take presedence over CKYAlliance.com or any of the official band member websites or MySpace page. I don't feel it has any place in the links section at ALL, being that they hardly ever discuss the band on those forums. If a forum must be placed in the links section, it should be the official CKY forums at CKYAlliance.com

For whatever reason these 3 edits were reverted although they were all valid edits.

CKYGuy 20:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Minor, unexplained edits by new users get reverted all the time, usually back to a "safe" version of the page. Join up at WP:CKY. Deiz talk 01:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've pre-emptively cleaned up the article in the light of greater crackdowns on unsourced material. Please don't add / readd anything without sourcing it first. A few points:
 * It's inappropriate to link to a list of youtube hosted videos without specific evidence there are no copyright issues involved.
 * Quotes should be summarized and linked to unless citations from reliable independent sources prove their importance.
 * Articles should generally be written in a formal tone, watch out for phrases like "They were ready to record...", "..had become superstars in the skateboarding world...".
 * What does ""Guinnessburg" record mean? If they have a world record it requires citation.

Any other questions about this, just ask.. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">z</FONT> talk 09:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

"OIL"
ok i had a whole lot of info on the pre cky project, oil.but deiz deleted it thinking it is not neccesary. so im putting this topic up for dicussion so i can redo the whole oil project. it is a significant piece of cky history as the band oil is cky, the only difference is the change of name. all cky songs from volume 1 are oil songs except disengage the simulator which is foreign objects.

does everyone think i should make the page again with the info on all their releases?

thanks
 * Ryan, Wikipedia is not the place to write everything you know about your favourite "before they were famous" garage band. Either source your edits (WP:ATT) or they will continue to be reverted and you'll be blocked for disruption. As you may be aware, many of the articles you created were deleted and protected to prevent recreation. If you start creating articles using alternative titles to get around this you'll be blocked. Nobody is denying Oil existed, just that they were a largely unknown band, who later became famous as CKY. The Foreign Objects article is unsourced and doesn't really assert notability either. A quick mention of Oil in the CKY article is enough. As soon as sources that satisfy :ATT are provided, I'll help you write the article myself. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">z</FONT> talk 13:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well not only oil there was also the bullshit demo wasn't there? There isn't any information about that... $$Shippensburg72$$

Genre
I fail to see how CKY can be considered "experimental" music. <span style="font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; border:none; font-size:10pt; padding:2px; line-height:10pt; width:30em;">&mdash; O cat ecir  <sup style="color:#333399;">Talk  18:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If you'll kindly check the band-run official CKY MySpace page, www.myspace.com/cky, you'll see that they classify themselves as "Rock/Experimental/Other". Even if you can't accept the "Experimental" tag, you can not possibly argue to me that they are not a Rock band. CKY is extremely far from being considered "metalcore", and even labelling them "Alternative Metal" is a stretch. I don't see your argument here. CKYGuy 18:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

tmi/distant
should we include TMI/Distant on the label part of the cky page? they recorded their first cd on it and it was distributed by themRy90 04:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * source? <span style="font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; border:none; font-size:10pt; padding:2px; line-height:10pt; width:30em;">&mdash; O cat ecir  <sup style="color:#333399;">Talk  04:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

in the albums section, and the cds also say they are from tmi/distant.
 * www.inhifi.com


 * TMI/Distant are the local company that they recorded with, so i think it should be included. They were only on the label for the most part of Early 1999. Do i go ahead and add it?  Ry90 06:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be up for having it in the infobox, unlinked. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">z</FONT> talk 05:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ^ I agree. Adding... <span style="font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; border:none; font-size:10pt; padding:2px; line-height:10pt; width:30em;">&mdash; O cat ecir  <sup style="color:#333399;">Talk  06:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Cky.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:1151476272 gozCKyLogo.jpg
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andy smith
andy smith was never a member of cky, he should be removed from the past members list--Ry90 07:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed. <span style="font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; border:none; font-size:10pt; padding:2px; line-height:10pt; width:30em;">— <font color="#660099">Ocat <font color="#333333">ecir T 07:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

cky videography
im going to make a cky videography about the videos, just passing it by everyone. Ry90 10:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Will this be a section or a separate article? Can you point to an existing section or article on another band that you are aiming to emulate? <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">z</FONT> talk 10:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

live dvd/cd
should we add the new live dvd/cd to the discography section?

its not an official release, only because the band isnt allowed to release it through a label due to the copyright issues with island, so it has surfaced as a bootleg.

but it is the show they had planned for release on a live album. --Ry90 11:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Deron Miller's Departure
According to the latest Q & A, Deron Miller has left CKY, Anyone can put it up, i can't do this formatting crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.137.188 (talk) 16:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He hasnt left cky. nothing will be added until everything between the band has cleared up and we know for sure what is going on--Ry90 10:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Vernon Zaborowski (touring bassist)
Vernon Zaborowski was not only a touring bassist but the bands actual bassist. Vern had bass lines that he had recorded in the album "Infiltrate Destroy Rebuild". The band only perceived Vernon as a touring bassist but you cant change the truth.

Are you implying that he recorded invisibly, or that he controlled Chad's mind while chad was recording the basslines? Vern may have had some minor degree of credit for writing on IDR, but he is not listed as having recorded anything. Seeing as you have no sources to prove he did, and the various AskCKY questions about it, as well as the liner notes of IDR stating he is the live bassist are sources otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.124.131 (talk) 13:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Photo of CKY
This page deserves a kickass photo. Sort it out guys ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.149.61.210 (talk) 13:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a few okay pictures of the band from gigs on Flickr, but you will need to ask members to change the restriction levels to ones that allow them to be used on the 'Pedia. Go to Upload file on the left, click Work from Flickr and look at the levels and ask uploaders to change. Andre666 (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Freestyle Rap
Why is there no mention of the song Chinese Freestyle Rap on this page? The total views from the top five videos of the song on YouTube combined have over 1.15 million views. I think that we should include a little bit about it. What do y'all think? Gefreiter (talk) 03:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * How does the song satisfy WP:NOTABILITY at all? Andre666 (talk) 09:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Bobby Valeno
For Current Live Members: Bobby "Murry" Valeno - Keyboards (2010-temporary) He is playing the Australia tour dates and the rest of the upcoming tour in 2010 as well.

Abarnard23 (talk) 03:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This would need a source, and with a quick check I cannot find any. If you can provide one then I would be happy to add this info. Andre666 (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. <font color="BLACK">Spigot <font color="GRAY">Map 12:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Matty J is now the full time bassist for the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.224.180 (talk) 20:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bambam1718, 18 August 2010
Deron Miller confirmed at the Australian in Sydney that Matty J is now there full time Bassist. so fix that up hes not there live bass player hes there FULL TIME bassist

Bambam1718 (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Genres
a few issues on the listed genres that I wanted to touch on:

1.) Post-Grunge -- reallly? Does anyone feel strongly about listing CKY as a post-grunge band? Bands like Matchbox Twenty or Creed are generally considered post-grunge bands, like the Wikipedia page mentions, and CKY is about the farthest thing from those bands. Let me know how you feel.

2.) Alternative Rock -- I'd like to remove this as well, since I don't see them fitting in with this genre. They are much better described as alternative metal, and that genre is already listed for them.

3.) Experimental Metal -- I'd like to add this genre. Experimental Rock is listed, but I think both genres accurately describe the band's sound.

Anyways, give me your opinions or objections if you have any... Tron55555 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that they are not post-grunge now, but their initial sound (Volume 1 and most of IDR) was influenced by this (and also it has a reliable source here). Alternative rock is an extremely broad term which encompasses a lot of genres and artists, including CKY. Experimental metal redirects to avant-garde metal, of which CKY is definitely not an example; experimental rock is much better. Andre666 (talk) 14:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * agreed on avant-garde metal as a no, hadn't seen it redirected to that, and agreed on alternative rock as a yes, as an umbrella genre at least, but as far as post-grunge, I still don't see any connection between CKY and bands like Lifehouse, Nickelback, Breaking Benjamin, Fuel, and Chevelle, or any of these bands really, especially in Volume 1. I checked out the AllMusic source, so I'll leave it be, but a mass music source like AllMusic attributing a certain style to the band, and the band actually having that style, are two very different things, and while there may be some post-grunge influence in their music, and I have trouble hearing even that, a band being influenced to some extent by a style and a band actually belonging to that genre are also two different things, so if anyone ever decides to remove that one I'll be the first to support it. Anyways, thanks for your consideration and taking the time to respond -- very much appreciated. Tron55555 (talk) 11:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 58.166.76.111, 1 August 2011
they have officially split up as of today. Deron posted it on their facebook page.

58.166.76.111 (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing will be updated until this news is confirmed. Andre666 (talk) 09:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You need to actually link to the reliable source in your edit request when you find one, too. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Chad has left the band they are currently working as a 3 piece due to Deron alcohol problem. its all over their website so dont feed me that reliable source crap. its also possible that they will go on hiatus while Deron fixes his problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.114.249 (talk) 05:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not officially confirmed. No reliable source. Andre666 (talk) 10:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Two small typos
The last two sentences in the section "Departure of Matt Deis and future (2010–present)" read: "After spending much of 2011 to take a break due to turmoil within the band and to focus on other projects, CKY were announced to be playing the Soundwave Festival in Australia scheduled for early 2012. Only one show in the USA has been announced for the last half of 2011, with the band stating the is the last show within the Untied States for quite some time, fans are unsure if the band is still to continue after the scheduled 2012 dates."

"Untied States" should be changed to "United States" and "with the band stating the is the last show..." should be changed to "with the band stating that this is the last show..."

Thanks!

Departure of Miller
Deron Miller has confirmed he has left cky via facebook. Daniel Davies is his replacement not to sure if its permenant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.6.80 (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

new CKY begins production 11/2103
shouldn't that say 2013? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bungle02uk (talk • contribs) 15:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Davies as a former member
No, he was considered, but if they don't play a note live or in the studio - and now considering Deron is back that won't happen in the future, let alone in the former - Daniel Davies really has no place listed as a former member on the main CKY page or in the template box at the bottom of related pages. Anyone else gonna back me up on that? Space Rodeo (talk) 15:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Except... he did perform as frontman of the band. So he stays. Andre666 (talk) 17:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Brandon DiCamillo sang with the band live more times. Just saying. 87.232.41.52 (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Ryan Bruni
The information pertaining to Ryan Bruni's departure from the band is factually inaccurate; He left the band to finish school. He WAS NOT fired. Deron Miller was given notice directly by Ryan. This must be corrected. In addition, the comments about Ryan Bruni made by Chad Ginsburg need to be removed. They are libelous. If this is not the appropriate forum to get these items addressed, please respond. If needed, this issue will be addressed legally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankenfooter (talk • contribs) 00:24, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Given that the only sources cited for this were CKY themselves - and thus entirely inappropriate per WP:RS and WP:BLP policy - I have removed the material. Any such material would have to be sourced to reputable third party sources before inclusion could be considered. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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