Talk:CMLL World Middleweight Championship

Shortest reign
So, I'm a little confused. The article listed Apolo Dantés as being the shortest reign at 77 days, but El Dandy's first reign was only 63 days. El Dandy was listed as the shortest reign in the infobox, so I adjusted the article to match. I then brought it up at Main Page/Errors, where it was suggested it might have possible meant shortest cumulative reign. To me, the term shortest reign means shortest individual reign, but I don't normally edit championship articles, so I am bringing it here for review/clarification.

Dandy is also noted as having the shortest reign in List of CMLL World Middleweight Champions. I note the revision at which the article was promoted to FA listed Dantes in the lede, but Dandy in the infobox. This was also not mentioned at all in the FA nomination. as the nominator/main contributor. Nici Vampire  Heart  17:46, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Weight limits
"The official definition of the middleweight division in Mexico is a person between 82 kg (181 lb) and 87 kg (192 lb)" - yet the infobox lists the lightest ever champion at 92kg. This can't be right, surely? The lightest champion of all time (and therefore by extension every single wrestler to have ever held it) weighed more than the ostensible upper limit for the division.........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Next line: CMLL was generally consistent and strict about enforcing the actual weight limits, but in the 21st century the official definitions have at times been overlooked for certain champions. One example of this was when Mephisto, officially listed as 90 kg (200 lb), won the CMLL World Welterweight Championship, a weight class with an 82 kg (181 lb) upper limit.. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies, but that doesn't really answer the question. As it stands, the article states not that an occasional wrestler was over the upper weight limit but that literally every single wrestler ever to have held this title was over the upper weight limit...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree l, something is off. I will research the sources when I get home to my books. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * having looked at the articles of some of the champions, their listed weights are much lower than 92kg. This would suggest that the claim that Apolo Dantes was the lightest ever holder of this title is simply wrong -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I think we have some undiscovered vandalism at work in the info box. Here is the weights from each article, heaviest to lightest, clearly the info box is wrong. I will fix it. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:06, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Apolo Dantés 104
 * Blue Panther 98
 * Jushin Liger 95
 * El Cuatrero 94
 * Ringo Mendoza 92
 * Dandy 91
 * Bestia Salvaje    90
 * El Hijo del Fantasma 90
 * Emilio Charles Jr. 89
 * Dragón Rojo Jr. 85
 * Ángel de Oro 82
 * El Satánico 82
 * Negro Casas 79
 * Averno 79
 * Javier Llanes Unknow