Talk:CNN International/Discussions Archive

On the CNN/US CNN/U.S. question, take a look at the Google results for either phrase. Both will show you which variant is used far more often. There are even examples like this: http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2005/fyi/06/13/cnn25.us.journalism/ from the CNN site that show their preference.

matturn 14:51, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

CNN International is a global TV network (including the US). CNN International North America is a US/Canada TV network.

matturn 08:37, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

CNNi vs. CNNI
I noticed that this page refers to CNNi (lower-case "i"), even though CNNI (upper-case "I") seems to be preferred both by Time Warner and outside sources, as a quick Google search confirms. The latter form is also more logical, since the network is "CNN International," not "CNN international". Perhaps someone was thinking of the now-defunct CNNfn. Anyway, I didn't want to make any changes without asking first, in case there are any good arguments in favor of CNNi that I'm just not seeing.

WorldWide Update 05:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Since there were no objections and "CNNI" is, by all accounts, the standard form, I'll go ahead and make the changes.

WorldWide Update 04:04, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Re-launch
I don't know if anyone wanted to mention or edit the article to state that CNNI will be re-launching on the 10th of February. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.168.60.193 (talk &bull; contribs) 10:06, February 9, 2006.


 * It's not really a relaunch, just a new graphics package. I'll probably put something in the article once the new package is actually in use. --Aaron 17:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It will be the start of a whole new CNN International though. The new graphics, music and presentation being introduced is stage one. By years end, new sets will also be introduced for Atlanta, London and Hong Kong as well as major programming overhauls. Maybe it will be best to wait until they happen. :-)

CNNI covers international stories more in depth than the CNN/US network does, with CNNI changing its graphics it has moved further away from the US glorification of terrible news, with a softer more pleasant look. This line appears somewhat non-NPOV, at least with regards to intensifiers and the "glorification of terrible news". Would a rewrite of this be warranted? --Jccleaver 1:55, June 6 2006 (PDT)


 * Most definitely. I see the general point that the contributor was trying to make, but as it is, this sentence is so non-NPOV that I'm just taking it out. The Criticism section should quote existing criticism, rather than serve as a section where contributors' own views and complaints are stated. WorldWide Update 15:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ads
Do you think we should put in something about the huge length of time the ads are on for in the Controversies section? I don't know how american news channels normally operate but CNN Intenational just seems to have ads on for nearly 50% of the time.. the ironic thing is that if they just cut out the ads about how "wonderful" CNN supposedly is then I know I'd watch it a lot more.


 * The number and frequency of commercials shown on television varies by country. Since you talk about "the huge length of time the ads are on", I assume you are a viewer from a country where commercial television stations show fewer ads per hour, either because of regulatory restrictions or other reasons. To someone else, the amount of advertising on CNNI is totally normal (In fact, the channel's ad breaks are typically shorter than on U.S. domestic networks). Since this is such a subjective perception, I would leave it out, unless there have been documented and persistent complaints about this matter. WorldWide Update 14:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I notice that during the breaks, CNN/I only shows 1, maybe at most 2 ads before promoting its programmes and other services. Why do they show fewer ads relative to its sister network in the US? Also, do the ads suggest a contrast between the 2 networks' target audiences? I am having a feeling that CNN/US mainly targets middle class Americans as evidenced by the advertisements of everyday products on that network while CNN/I seems to target business executives and professionals. Do you agree and why? I do suggest the CNN/I article has a section clarifying its target audience/s. -Paolo-210.5.105.223 17:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems CNN/I's only ads are those that promote its own upcoming programming (although in the US, some ads promote other Turner/Time Warner networks like TNT and TCM). I don't find this so objectionable, though, as BBC World does the same thing. I think it is notable that CNN/I presents many of its programs "in association with" some corporate sponsor (MainSail and Rolex, Quest and Qatar Airways, Inside the Middle East with Orascom Telecom, among the ones I can remember offhand). I think the only other similar network that does this is Al Jazeera English. Wl219 16:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I would definitely withdraw my original comment now since CNNI shows hardly any ads now and doesn't repeat anything but its reports. At the time it would have loads of ads sometimes about every five minutes. Maybe someone in CNNI took note of my remark. :) Since CNNI is FTA, I would almost be concerned about how little third party ads they show now. Fox News is both a pay channel and doesn't even bother having different output for their international outputs. 159.134.245.241 15:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Show descriptions
The recently added descriptions of CNNI's various programs have been taken verbatim from CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/Programs). This is a major violation of Wikipedia rules, in terms of both copyright and NPOV guidelines (the latter because the descriptions are essentially promotional).

The idea of profiling various CNNI programs is a good one, but the section needs to be completely reworked. Until it is, I'm taking it out. WorldWide Update 17:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

New studio
Where in the article do we put the fact that CNNI has 2 new studios in London and Atlanta? Both are relatively identical with a few differences (see below).

The new sets in London and Atlanta were launched on 30 October 2006 and 5 November 2006 respectively.

At the back of the anchor desk is the video wall similar to what CNN/US has at the Time Warner Centre and on its left there are 3 panels which depict the 3 top stories of the day. To the right side of the video wall is another panel which has the generic background of CNNI programmes.

Some of the noticeable differences between the London set and Atlanta set are as follows:

1. In London, the small LCD monitors are on the lefthand side while in Atlanta they are on the righthand side.

2. The Atlanta set features a weather monitor.

3. The colours on top of the 3 panels are different in each set.

4. The video wall in Atlanta extends almost all the way to the right side of the wall only separated by 1 frame.

I suggest that you add all of the above to the article along with other facts about the set that you know. I am not sure if or when the CNN Asia Centre in Hong Kong will also adopt a similar or identical set.

--58.69.20.10 15:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Online Stream
I've deleted the link to an online stream for two reasons. Firstly this stream rarely actually carries CNNI. Secondly it actually streams CNN Pipeline Pipe 1. As this is a pay service I don'tblieve that Wikipedia should be helping people to avoid paying for such services. Adamcobb 09:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Cable Systems?
Can someone please explain to me why we're listing various cable systems and channel positions in the infobox, considering that CNNI is a global channel that is available on thousands of cable systems around the world? In many countries, each town or neighborhood has its own cable system with CNNI on a different channel position on each, so this list doesn't make any sense to me. WorldWide Update 21:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Since no-one seems to be defending the decision to mention random cable systems out of the thousands that carry CNNI, does this mean that the consensus is in favor of removing them? I'll do that soon if there are no objections.WorldWide Update 13:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

For those of us trying to learn more about the company and how it is taking on the International TV marketplace, the very fragmented one, it's great information to have. Nolie Jan 10.


 * Yes, but what's the point of having three or four cable systems listed when the channel is carried by thousands of cable systems around the world? That just like listing a dozen newsstands that sell, say, USA Today. What's the point of that, considering that the newspaper is available around the world? This makes just as little sense here, and is both confusing and misleading to the reader. BTW, if you look at this article's history, you'll see that someone has tried to list cable systems before, but that the list eventually (and understandably) got deleted. WorldWide Update 22:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the listing of a handful of cable operators makes no sense and support the removal of them from this artisle. As there are thousands of cable networks carrying CNNI it is simply not relevant. I'd say that the listing of satellite operators is pretty unnecessary as well, there are hundreds of satellite distributors as well. If one wants list all operators carrying CNNI, one should create a List of television distributors carrying CNN International, but thats not very realistic either. Väsk 18:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CNN-globe-logo.png
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Fair use rationale for Image:CNN-globe-logo.png
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Improper Reference to FOX

 * Since CNN/US began suffering a decline in viewership due to competition from Fox News Channel, CNN as a whole (including CNN International) has been accused by, among others, its own Christiane Amanpour, of catering to American jingoism at the expense of more balanced international coverage. [4]

This statement seems to be two separate thoughts jumbled up into one sentence. Furthermore the part about CNN's decline in viewership due to competition from Fox News does not seem to be sourced in reference #4 (ref. #4 only contains the statement about Christiane Amanpour). I suggest that much of this article, but this in particular, may be victim of biased political editing. :-\ Can we get a credible reference to back the statement about the decline in viewership due to Fox News competition... or take it out entirely if there is none? Either way, this needs to be reworded badly. 72.213.129.138 (talk) 00:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Daily Show with Jon Stewart?
I only get the CNN US edition, so I could be wrong, but after looking for all references to CNN on the article about the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, CNNI does not broadcast it, do they? I'm not going to spend the time to find who wrote it and see if it really is vandalism, but I'm going to assume so unless if anyone can find a verifiable source that the Daily Show with Jon Stewart airs on CNNI. --Char645 (talk) 05:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

---http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/schedules/schedule.4.html lists "The Daily Show: Global Edition" not that I suppose it counts for anything, but I have seen the program with my own eyes on CNNI in Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.24.51.102 (talk) 15:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I confirm that "The Daily Show: Global Edition" is aired on CNN International, promoted on the air, and featured in official program listings. --WorldWide Update (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Competitor in lead
This article is about CNN International. Mentioning a competitor is bigger in the lead of this article is WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV. Such comparisons should go into an article about news networks in general. Toliar (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Programming Section
I think it would be a good idea to display the programmes on CNNI in a table similar to the one in the CNN Domestic article. We could have one table for the regular weekday programmes (starting with Kristie Lu Stout on CNN Today Monday and ending with The Situation Room on Friday). Since the weekend schedule can vary, I suppose we could just have a table for all of the canned weekend programmes (like Talk Asia, Business Traveller, World's Untold Stories, etc.), and we could also have another table for former programmes. Does anybody want to help me with this? --Charq (talk) 09:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Ticker/Flipper
Removed the section entirely. Seemed like nonsensical mumbling. Jon Fu (talk) 20:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)