Talk:CN Lester

Sources for expanding the article
Have a bunch of potentially useful sources. I'm planning on expanding the article myself when I get a chance, but I'm recording these here (a) for my reference and (b) in case anyone else gets there first:



—me_and 10:21, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Added http://sosogay.co.uk/2014/aether-kind-wanted-wail-gay-talks-cn-lester/. —me_and 10:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Second Gay and Straight Alliance
The first UK gay and straight alliance, GNSA was started in 1995, published multiple journals, worked with the ACPO the association of chief police officers, and was started by a trans actavist, who also worked to support sex workers in Middlesborough. I am not giving her name as i belive she has chosen to go stealth and I do not have the right to Loud her (akin to outing in a gay context) X-mass (talk) 13:21, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * So the problem here is that there are reliable sources that state Lester started the first such alliance, and without sources that say otherwise, Wikipedia policy is to stick with the verifiable statements.
 * If there is any verifiable evidence that there was a gay–straight alliance that predates the one Lester set up, I'd be more than happy to add that—that seems like really useful and relevant information, if not so much for this article then definitely for the Gay–straight alliance one. Although if the founder is not openly trans and giving details about it would be revealing private information, I guess there's not much we can do. :(
 * (Incidentally, I've never heard of "loud" in that context – I think the trans folk I know tend to just use "out" when relevant. Interesting info, though, I'll bear that in mind if I come across the term again!)
 * —me_and 09:28, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * the irony is that OUT of the closet actually refers to transgender practice i.e. that of gay people be they bi/homosexual doing drag in the closet as a reflection of who they are and thus being out of the closet was to be publically gay by being transgender. Its why gay people who are not out are referred to as closetted or closet cases.


 * The problme is that their are an were plenty of transexual people who are completly OUT about being bisexual, lesbian or gay but are utterly steath about there personal transexual history, or they will talk about it only in a context where its being discussed. Its like being a cancer survivor, if you once had cancer 30 years ago, you might still be a cancer survivor - but its unlikley that you would see yourself that way anymore. Hence out vs closeted lead to Loud vs stealth. X-mass (talk) 12:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually thanks I realised that I had misrembered it and your in fact correct - it was GNSA - Gender and Sexuality Alliance NOT gay and straight alliance. So thanks for the correction X-mass (talk) 11:54, 11 April 2015 (UTC)