Talk:COVID-19 cases at the 2020 Summer Olympics and 2020 Summer Paralympics

Article title
I want it on the record that I object strongly to the current title and deny it consensus. User:力 (power~enwiki, π,  ν ) 21:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I would propose an RM, but before it would close, the currently-inaccurate title "COVID-19 cancellations at the 2020 Summer Olympics" will probably be what it should be titled, so I will reluctantly refrain. User:力 (power~enwiki, π,  ν ) 21:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

With all due respect, what is wrong with the title? The event has been widely described as an outbreak - many reliable sources have described it as such. This outbreak has been major news headlines all over the world. The number of cases at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics Games (currently 71) has exceeded the White House COVID-19 outbreak (53). Even if the cases weren't " high enough" to suit your definition of an outbreak, this is a cluster of infections at the world's largest international event. And it is a newsworthy and noteworthy even notable enough to have its own article. As per WP:GN, the outbreak has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. And I'm not sure what you're referring to with respect to "COVID-19 cancellations at the 2020 Summer Olympics" - what you deem as what the article should be titled. This article is about the outbreak of the disease that has emerged among athletes and various other personnel related to the games. This page is about the outbreak concerning a geographic location (Tokyo Olympic Village at the 2020 Summer Olympics) and the ramifications of the outbreak, rather than about the potential cancellations of any events of of the games (it is important to note that currently as it stands all the events of the games are going full speed ahead,), any withdrawals of athletes  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_athletes_not_attending_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_due_to_COVID-19_concerns) or the concerns and controversies with respect to the games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics)  The games are actually already underway, so the games have been not been cancelled as they technically have already started. As reported in the media, yes, the games do still have a chance to be cancelled as of now but this doesn't negate the fact that an outbreak at the Olympic Village has already emerged. Even if let's any cancellations were to happen, or the games were completely called off last minute, any cancellation has nothing to do with the ongoing surge in cases (>71 cases) at the Olympic village prior to the Opening Ceremony. Think of this page as a subset to the COVID-19 pandemic in Japan. Similar to White House COVID-19 outbreak being a subset of COVID-19 pandemic in Washington, D.C., which is a subset of COVID-19 outbreak in the United States, which is a subset of COVID-19 pandemic. The COVID-19 pandemic page in Japan and the 2020 Summer Olympics page are already exhaustive as they are, this page provides more further specifics and details. Unfortunately, the number of cases is likely to climb s Wikipedia is encyclopedic in nature. This article stands to be a reference for the public and athletes who want to know about the COVID-19 situation at the 2020 games, the number of cases, measures being taken with respect to the outbreak, ramifications & impacts of the outbreak, and reactions etc. Best, Yeungkahchun (talk)

It's not am outbreak, it's just a variety of unrelated cases among people associated with the event. Did Jon Rahm, Simon Geschke, and Coco Gauff all get infected from the same singular outbreak? NO. I am extremely tempted to unilaterally move this to Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the 2020 Summer Olympics as the title is blatantly wrong and not supported by the sourcing. Or just AFD it, as the other articles you mention cover the actual impact more accurately. User:力 (power~enwiki, π,  ν ) 17:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

reliable sources have called an outbreak. if you don't like this title get group consensus rather than doing everything unilaterally. another viable title could be " COVID-19 cases at the 2020 summer olympics " rather than the current title if u disagree w the outbreak terminology Yeungkahchun (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have asked for participation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19. The current title seems to me to be a blatant and obvious CFORK of List of athletes not attending the 2020 Summer Olympics due to COVID-19 concerns, if nothing changes I expect the redirect will be restored tout de suite. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 23:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would support a merge into the list in this case. We cannot make an outbreak where contact tracing does not support it. And if contact tracing supports it, there should be RSes which demonstrate that. Without an outbreak, I see no reason why this deserves a separate article while the ZIKV cases at the Brazil olympics did not.-- Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 00:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Scope and timing
I am a bit confused by the setup of this article. According to the IOC case list, 67 cases were recorded before July 2 (probably all from contractors in Japan; it should also be noted that, as far as I am aware, the Olympics started publishing case data in June) and 87 cases have been recorded since (to 22 July). It looks like the numbers after July 17 might be taken from the July caselist. But, the article positions July 17 as the recorded date of the index case (probably the first Olympics village case). Since it happened in the village, thus breaking the "bubble", does that mean it is the first case that can be categorized as part of an Olympics outbreak, as opposed to the general COVID-19 pandemic in Japan? How should the previous cases be counted? (To go even further in depth, it can be argued that the preparations themselves also had an impact on spread, so should anyone who got infected in relation to those proceedings also be counted as "Olympics cases"?) Sorry if this is meandering, but I think this presents some issues in presenting the outbreak data accurately. MSG17 (talk) 17:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like this has been fixed.MSG17 (talk) 12:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)