Talk:COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory/Archive 3

Please rename it
Rename it to

COVID-19 pandemic instead of coronavirus pandemic BLACKPINKINYOURAREA123 (talk) 06:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 is a bland bureaucratic name created by an organization WHO first denied this was an international crisis, suppressed the early Taiwanese warnings of its contagiousness, scolded countries that tried to block the importation of infected people into their borders, waited until it was undeniably a pandemic around the world, and then demanded money to solve the problem they had allowed to fester. On what grounds must we honor their choice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathematician0 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you go somewhere else please? Wikipedia is not the right place for your hate against anyone. --mfb (talk) 03:10, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you keep your petty politics out of this? Wiki is no place for this.Rwat128 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Support. COVID-19 is actually more specific than 'coronavirus' since coronavirus is the family of viruses. Even SARS is a coronavirus.Rwat128 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Clarity over territories to include
Can the territories be reduced - they keep increasing and it seems excessive i.e Sark and Alderney are not autonomous from the Guernsey or claiming as such so no sense in listing them. Likewise with the Ukraine self claimed areas (which could be seen like Scotland, UK), Rodiguez Is likewise. Those listed below I believe should be removed for reason stated

3	 Rodrigues	41,669	Mauritius - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach
 * (it is the autonomous outer island) Mircea (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

11	 Svalbard	2,667	Norway - not usually listed separate to Norway 13	 Alderney	2,039	Guernsey - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach 14	 Mount Athos	2,000	Greece - never heard of it before and see no logic for it's separate listing 19	 Rotuma	1,594	Fiji - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach 22	 Sark	492	Guernsey - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach

1	Somaliland Somaliland[221]	3,508,180	Somalia Somalia	Africa	not recognised by any other state 2	 Donetsk People's Republic	2,302,444	Ukraine Ukraine	Europe	recognised only by other non-UN member states 3	 Luhansk People's Republic	1,464,039	Ukraine Ukraine	Europe	recognised only by other non-UN member states 5	 Abkhazia[222]	243,206	Georgia (country) Georgia	Asia	recognised by at least one UN member state 6	 Republic of Artsakh[223]	150,932	Azerbaijan Azerbaijan	Asia	recognised only by other non-UN member states 7	 South Ossetia[222]
 * 1) 	Country	- none of the following are recognised by the UN with the exception of one state for Adkhazia - seems an extra unnecessary layer and former Western Saharra could be added to other list as it's widely seen as a territory

These changes would reduce the data on the page and sit better with the worldometers data which is the general guide from research.

Thanks, Lucas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkylucas75 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's excessive. We shouldn't list every single insular and slightly autonomous territory. --Extended Cut (talk) 14:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think is important to have list of external territories without confirmed cases including islands and islands group without autonomy or suverenity. May be be soultion split External territories to 2 tables (external territories according to worldometers data and islands and groups of islands according to data of individual countries) Mircea (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020
THE DATA MENTIONED ABOUT INDIA ACTIVE CASES IS NOT CORRECT AND GOVERNMENT HAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THIS. THE NUMBERS PROVIDED IN THIS ARTICLE FOR INDIA ARE FROM NEWSPAPERS AND NOT FROM GOVERNMENT SOURCES. 202.179.86.62 (talk) 05:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)PH


 * Please don't write in all caps. The reference given for India is a government website. Anyway, the table comes from Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data, edit requests should be made there. --mfb (talk) 03:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2020
could you please add kiribati to either the safe or conformed case list i would really appreciate it. Cokibdoki (talk) 15:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Goldsztajn (talk) 18:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Cases per capita map caption
The map File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map per Capita.svg has wrong caption in the article. The caption in the article says:

{{legend|#510000| > 1 case per 1,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#900000| 1–10 cases per 10,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#c80200| 1–10 cases per 100,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#ee7070| 1–10 cases per 1 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffC0C0| 1–10 cases per 10 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffdfe0| 1-10 cases per 100 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#e0e0e0| No confirmed cases}}

while the legend in the file description of the map says:

{{legend|#900000| > 1000 cases per million inhabitants}} {{legend|#c80200| 100-1000 cases per million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ee7070| 10-100 cases per million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffC0C0| 1-10 cases per million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffdfe0| 0.01–1 cases per million inhabitants}} {{legend|#e0e0e0| There are no reported cases/no population}} Even the number of different colors is wrong in the article (there is no color #510000  in the actual map). 109.60.39.26 (talk) 15:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't know who changed it, but now it is correct. --mfb (talk) 03:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It was changed in this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_by_country_and_territory&diff=948015299&oldid=947995122 109.60.36.215 (talk) 05:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2020
can you please add rodrigues i saw you had external territories and was looking for rodrigues it is a territory so can you please add it.it would be a lot of help. Cokibdoki (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Goldsztajn (talk) 18:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2020
please add south georgia and the south sandwich islands to your list of territories without coronavirus and ambazonia to your list of unrecognized countries. Cokibdoki (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Goldsztajn (talk) 18:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2020
can you please add puntland and jubaland to your list of unrecognized countries. Cokibdoki (talk) 18:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: While Somaliland makes sense to include, these territories' claims as unrecognised states are quite dated. Goldsztajn (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2020
i see that you have territories and i see that nunavut is not there it is technically a territory and does not have coronavirus could you please add it Cokibdoki (talk) 17:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Like Yukon and the Northwest Territories, it is a territory as Northern Territory or Islamabad Capital Territory are territories, they do not hold autonomous sovereign status, but function as federal subunits. Goldsztajn (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020
Change Trinidad and Tobago figures to 76 cases and 3 deaths The source on Twitter is old please see the official Government website http://www.health.gov.tt/sitepages/default.aspx?id=293 ACTUAL RELEASE HERE http://www.health.gov.tt/images_cms/2020/CoronaVirus/MediaReleases/March/Mar28-01.jpg KevinTnT (talk) 11:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done T&T updated. Requests for changes to this table should be made at the template talk page: Template_talk:2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_data Goldsztajn (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Worldometer.info vs. Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Map
Johns Hopkins coronavirus map is arguably the most popular coronavirus map tracker in the world, with more frequently searches and citations than Worldometer.info (source: Google Trends, Mar 29, 2020) Also, Johns Hopkins is one of the most renown universities in the world, with #1 public health school in the world. It is very shocking that Worldometer.info is being cited, where it's methodology has not been independently verified and it appears Worldometer.info is a for-profit private company that sells live-counters (https://www.worldometers.info/licensing/). My proposal is to cite the Johns Hopkins official tracker instead of Worldometer.info, since Johns Hopkins source has no conflict-of-interest in terms of financial incentives, more reliable and reputable source that has been validated unlike the Worldometer.info source.Rwat128 (talk) 15:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * " Johns Hopkins is one of the most renown universities in the world"
 * No it isn't. It's one of the most renowned in America not the entire world.
 * " with #1 public health school in the world."
 * You can't be this stupid surely? America doesn't even have any "public health" and there are dozens of superior medical schools in Europe alone.
 * " it appears Worldometer.info is a for-profit private company"
 * As John Hopkins is a private for-profit university. 82.24.171.177 (talk) 14:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Johns Hopkins is a private Non-profit university (Source:501C3 Nonprofit Organization). Most top universities in the US are non-profit and have tax-exempt status. Johns Hopkins has the world's #1 ranked public health school in the US (Source: rankings) and #2 medical schools in the US (Source: rankings). It is far more reputation wise than Worldometer.info which has a for-profit company motive to sell live counter licenses.Rwat128 (talk) 22:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

# of cases on Diamond Princess Cruise ship
In the chart depicted on Wikipedia the amount of cases on the Diamond Princess Cruise ship are listed at 672. In the WHO Official count the cases are listed at 712. Is there a reason for the disparity in the case count?

WHO Situation Report: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200330-sitrep-70-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=7e0fe3f8_2

MSWBB (talk) 00:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)MSWBB

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020
has probably gone unnoticed. The legend of the File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map per Capita.svg should be changed from {{legend|#510000| > 1 case per 1,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#900000| 1–10 cases per 10,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#c80200| 1–10 cases per 100,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#ee7070| 1–10 cases per 1 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffC0C0| 1–10 cases per 10 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffdfe0| 1-10 cases per 100 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#e0e0e0| No confirmed cases}} to {{legend|#900000| > 1 case per 1,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#c80200| 1–10 cases per 10,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#ee7070| 1–10 cases per 100,000 inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffC0C0| 1–10 cases per 1 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#ffdfe0| 1–10 cases per 10 million inhabitants}} {{legend|#e0e0e0| No confirmed cases}} i.e. the darkest red color (#510000) should be removed because it does not appear on the map (yet), nor on the legend in its description and the numbers/colors should be adjusted accordingly. 109.60.36.215 (talk) 13:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC) 109.60.36.215 (talk) 13:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This request should be made at the file page. As far as I can see, Spain and Italy have passed this (as did Wuhan province) so the change would not be made. Goldsztajn (talk) 18:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem was in the article, not in the file description. Rest of the comment seems to be allistically unrelated to the request.
 * Anyway, in was fixed without mentioning it here, so it is Yes check.svg Done. 109.60.36.215 (talk) 05:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2020
Change "As of 25 March, cases have been confirmed in all African nations except for" to "As of 31 March, cases have been confirmed in all African nations except for" ref: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-leone/sierra-leone-has-confirmed-its-first-case-of-coronavirus-president-says-idUSKBN21I1MY Shayapearl (talk) 13:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. --mfb (talk) 14:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

First case in Sierra Leone
Reported by the Irish public broadcaster, RTE. Also by Reuters. Culloty82 (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Someone updated the article. --mfb (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Corona virus in Rwanda
As of 3/29/2020,there are ~60 confirmed cases in Rwanda, most of which were determined to be positive at the Kigali airport as travelers entered the country. About a week ago, Rwanda had already closed the airport for 30 days, prohibiting traveler entry and exit. Kigali, the capital city, is not allowing for any local residential travel except for food and medical services. The Rwandan government is very proactive in disease prevention, thus they must remain active in corona virus spread. Major food sources within the country come from hand labor without the aid of mechanized implements. The Rwandan growing season is almost a full year long process, thus food supplies should remain plentiful provided the virus does not inhibit individual farm production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1120:8045:E90D:BE1E:2665:AD41 (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The table lists 70 now, looks fine. --mfb (talk) 14:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Needs to be indexed to population
In order to follow standard epidemiological practices the numbers should be indexed to the population. Richard D. McCabe, PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Branchltd (talk • contribs) 20:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

St. Kitts and Nevis
AS OF TODAY, HAS 7 CONFIRMED CASES — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.214.12.90 (talk) 03:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ --MarioGom (talk) 13:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Enhance the Main tracking chart of Locations, Cases, Deaths and Recoveries
This would be much more informative if a column was added showing Hospitalizations. Many people are thinking that "Cases" indicates serious hospitalized cases. Yet, only a relatively small percentage of Cases are serious enough to be hospitalized. 2603:9001:FF00:52:683C:358E:FD:53A9 (talk) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * There is an informal consensus to avoid adding any new columns. See Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. --MarioGom (talk) 13:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Germany Data Source: switch from Zeit Online to Tagesspiegel?
For Germany, the most up-to-date and accurate source for cases, deaths and approx. recoveries is Tagesspiegel as their data source is completely open, allowing anyone to view the local government sources for every municipality/city. There are serious concerns with Zeit Online's numbers, as there are numerous instances of double counting municipalities, meaning depending on the day their number of infected cases could be off by 500-1000, plus their recovery numbers are not accurate. I can provide more info if needed, but it would also be good to refer to the discussion on the Wikipedia page under "Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020", which has led to this German coronavirus wiki page to switch to Tagesspiegel as the primary source for cases, deaths and approx. recoveries. Please note that the recoveries much higher, by double right now, from Zeit Online, but Tagesspiegel's methodology is more reliable and it is the same that the German federal government's Robert Koch Institute is using.T.A.Girard (talk) 23:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * for cases and deaths, not for recoveries. See Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. --MarioGom (talk) 13:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus in Jamaica
Cases currently up to 38; second coronavirus related death reported. https://twitter.com/christufton/status/1245128921802330115 --Mrsolan22 (talk) 01:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not applicable anymore. Already up-to-date. Please, report future updates for the table at Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. Thank you. --MarioGom (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020
US data is incorrect, check your facts before posting and creating more panic than needed. Cross checked against CDC and WHO. Your data is wrong! Not 4,000 deaths in the US. 2600:8800:8B00:6BC:5892:511D:9737:B045 (talk) 05:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The data is correct, see . Mdaniels5757 (talk) 00:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus in the Caribbean Netherlands
Here is info about 2 cases but I cannot find where (Bonaire, St.Eustatius or Saba) ? Mircea (talk) 10:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's St-Eustatius. https://www.hartvannederland.nl/nieuws/2020/liveblog-coronavirus-in-nederland-woensdag-1-april/ The Source is already referred to on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_North_America — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.77.62.233 (talk) 12:45, 1 April 2020 (UTC)  Yes check.svg Done

Novaya Zemlya
Have any cases been detected on the sparsely-populated Russian islands? If not, they should be in the same category as Svalbard. Culloty82 (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


 * It is not an autonomous region so it is included with the rest of Russia. Rhino131 (talk) 13:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020
In the table "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory" please change the number of cases, deaths, recovered for Germany to match the more up-to-date and accurate data source of Tagesspiegel. This means currently (01:00 Berlin time, 02 Apr) the German numbers should be changed to 77,981 cases, 931 deaths and 18,700 recovered. This is because this data source is more reliable since it is completely open, allowing anyone to view the local government sources for every municipality/city. The Zeit Online data source has errors that are cause for concern. For further information, please see the discussion page topic "Germany Data Source: switch from Zeit Online to Tagesspiegel?".T.A.Girard (talk) 23:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC) T.A.Girard (talk) 23:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Already done for cases and deaths. Not for recoveries, since we list recovery counts, not estimates. As far as I can tell, Tagesspiegel figure for recoveries is not part of their case count process, and it is an estimate instead. You can direct further discussions about the table to Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. Thank you. --MarioGom (talk) 13:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus in india
The update about coronavirus in india is not real...... U have published fack news kindly not spared fake news........ Saroj Bagh 11:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baghbabu7326 (talk • contribs)
 * Feel free to provide a source and state what is the exact error. Thank you. --MarioGom (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Number of death in india is 50 but wikipedia display 58...due to coronavirus  Saroj Bagh 13:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The table currently lists 50 deaths in India. This is the number reported by the Indian Government. Someone probably fixed it. --MarioGom (talk) 13:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Four times more
"A study of three municipalities in Italy has indicated that the number of deaths may be underreported by a factor of four". The idea that the number of deaths in all Italy is four times more is a total fabrication by the mayor of Nembro which, without any source cited, stated that since the number of cases in Nembro (worst affected municipality of all Italy) is four times more this means that this is also the case in all the country.

Yesterday ISTAT released some data on the total deaths during the first 3 weeks of March, which suggest that in Bergamo the number of deaths could be twice the official count (very different from 4 times more), while in other areas the underestimate could be much lower (and close to non existent in the less effected area in the South and Centre of the country). At the moment ISTAT and ISS are working to estimate the real numbers.

So the phrase is clearly false and should be removed or reformulated.--79.44.25.206 (talk) 09:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed it completely for now. --mfb (talk) 13:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

First cases in Western Sahara

 * The mention: "Part of Western Sahara ocupied by Morocco has confirmed cases" requires a source. Here is the link to the official Moroccan countdown: http://www.covidmaroc.ma/Pages/AccueilAR.aspx The territory corresponds to the Moroccan regions of Laâyoune-Sakia El Hamra (2 cases) and Dakhla-Oued Ed Dahab (0 case). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.74.111.252 (talk) 16:03, 2 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.74.111.252 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2020
Ireland has 13 additional deaths, making the total number 98. Source: rte.ie Michaelfunge205 (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2020
The Louisiana Department of Health reported a total of 9,150 positive cases of COVID-19 throughout the state on Thursday.

310 have died. 71.47.136.25 (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Louisiana is not listed in this artcile  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 20:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

UK Recovered Data
[19] UK Data Table 191 Recovered & 2,921 Deaths. This is highly incorrect, if we don't have accurate recovered data then it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.100.132 (talk) 17:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source showing that the numbers are incorrect. I'll check the current source given to WP:Verify it.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 20:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hospitalizations matter. "Cases" is misleading.
No where can the number of Hospitalizations, aka serious cases, be found. Any way to add it? 2603:9001:FF00:52:683C:358E:FD:53A9 (talk) 00:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Some countries report them, some others don't. You can find hospitalisations in articles about some countries. See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in France as an example. --MarioGom (talk) 12:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2020
It is well established that China's reported numbers are not accurate. Such false should not be reported here as fact. If you will not remove it, at least include an asterisk linking to any of the various sources disputing China's reported numbers, i.e., https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html. 2600:1700:4620:4B70:2515:671B:F952:2F47 (talk) 20:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 21:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2020
US, British and other western intelligence agencies and the United States government have revealed the Chinese have been deliberately concealing the extent of the outbreak, and specifically the numbers of cases and deaths, since at least November. I am requesting a caveat or note be placed stating this next to the numbers for the People's Republic of China. Source: 142.116.178.22 (talk) 22:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I think now is no the time to use this article to begin a war of narratives between the US and China. And the US government is no less credible than the Chinese is at this stage. Each day they say something different depending on Trump's mood.Php2000 (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 21:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus Pandemic cases and deaths map
You add a map that explain the Coronavirus cases and Coronavirus deaths by country by creating a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk • contribs) 07:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Deaths per capita
It would be good to have an automatic calculation of deaths per capita in the table. Perhaps the most accurate way to portray the gravity of the situation in each country.Php2000 (talk) 11:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * That is unlikely to happen in the short term for the main table: --MarioGom (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Your information about France is wrong
One and only source : santepubliquefrance ; which is actually the main source of this wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.2.154.69 (talk) 15:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Our figures for France do not include territories in Overseas France, which are listed separately. This is the way the World Health Organization is reporting statistics too. --MarioGom (talk) 13:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Germany cases website
https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.88.223.199 (talk) 18:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * We use Zeit Online and Tagesspiegel. Thank you for the note anyway. --MarioGom (talk) 13:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

South Africa has 7 deaths due to Corona virus and not 5 as stated
South Africa 7 deaths due to Corona virus and not 5 as currently stated. 41.170.80.75 (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Already updated. Thank you. --MarioGom (talk) 13:09, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Total cases for Pakistan is incorrect (April 4)
According to the Government of Pakistan's portal (http://covid.gov.pk/), the total number of cases as of last night was 2547 (not 2680) and 37 deaths (not 40). Please update your statistics because its caused quite a stir. Both BBC Urdu and Dawn News picked up on this number, despite the fact the Government of Pakistan portal which you use as Pakistan's source says 2547. Regards. --2607:FEA8:A380:3173:A048:E968:35FF:B827 (talk) 03:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not applicable anymore. As of today, Pakistan figures match covid.gov.pk again. You may want to post future corrections at Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. Thank you for the report. --MarioGom (talk) 13:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Update Data of Bangladesh (As of April 4)
Bangladesh has 70 confirmed cases with 8 deaths as of today (4 April 2020). Muhib (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Please also update recovered cases number as 30. Source: https://www.iedcr.gov.bd/ Muhib (talk) 06:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ by someone else already. You can report future corrections at Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data or edit it directly at Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. Thank you. --MarioGom (talk) 13:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus in France
83031 Coronavirus Cases in France

Coronavirus COVID-19 CSSE Johns Hopkins University

4/4/20 5h32 PM


 * Right sources for France :


 * Confirmed cases
 * Recoveries
 * Hospitalised
 * ICU
 * Deaths (hospital only)
 * Weekly reporting
 * Daily deaths in France (all causes) ; updated every week


 * Buisson (talk) 18:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2020
Latvia: 2 deaths 86.1.123.148 (talk) 12:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: No sources provided, and this one from 3 April 2020 stated just 1 death.Alexcalamaro (talk) 19:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus
What is the amount of coronavirus in every country? Corona time die (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * See the table? --mfb (talk) 05:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Lack of clarity and double counting. The same old debate on dependencies

 * I've moved the discussion to the relevant talk page. Please, see above. --MarioGom (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2020
Hi, your total number of confirmed covid-19 cases for France is wrong and not in line with your own source. Pleas align it with your source, which is correct. Thanks 2001:B07:AE6:267B:3569:C08E:EFD6:99F2 (talk) 06:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * See the notes. Overseas France territories are splitted. This is the same scheme used by the World Health Organization. --MarioGom (talk) 08:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

St Pierre et Miquelon
First positive case in the territory has been confirmed. Culloty82 (talk) 11:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Someone added it. --mfb (talk) 03:14, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2020
Total deaths: 69,420 Relay69.420 (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you want to be changed where? The table (which is from Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data so edits have to be made there) has 69,444 deaths, that is very close to your number. --mfb (talk) 03:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2020
I think the numbers for Austria have been switched between the deaths & recoveries, please update 79.178.104.147 (talk) 23:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Austria is currently up-to-date. --MarioGom (talk) 23:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Table of external territories
I'm sure that table of external territories must consists from two territories only - Norwegian Svalbard and Australian Coral See Islands. Another countries, included in current table of external territories, must be convert into Overseas Territories table. I propose full list of countries for Overseas Territories table (what exists as subjects of international politics): 1. American Samoa 2. Bonaire 3. Christmas Island 4. Cocos Islands 5. Cook Islands 6. Niue 7. Norfolk Island 8. Pitcairn Islands 9. Saba 10.Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha 11. Saint Pierre and Miquelon 12. Tokelau 13. Wallis and Futuna

All another territories, what included in the table now, must be exclude, because they are the parts of independent countries or dependent territories. 10:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)CrazyRepublican (talk)
 * In this case, I believe external territories is referring to them being physically external to the mainland of the country, not necessarily externally governed. --17jiangz1 (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

CrazyRepublicanI have made similar comments as it's then consistent with worldometer and general geography knowledge (talk) - that maybe the case but where do you then draw a line. My city has it's own governing body as do all US states - that would be madness. Sparkylucas75 —Preceding undated comment added 14:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

This table is now a huge mess

 * I have moved the discussion to the appropriate page. Best, --MarioGom (talk) 08:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Antarctica
The title of this article says "by country". Antarctica has no countries. 41.221.207.57 (talk) 13:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Read again: 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory. --MarioGom (talk) 13:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

States with no recognition or limited recognition
Due to fact, that territories of Jubaland, Puntland and Rojava do not seek recognition as an independent entity, I think, that they must be excluded from table of States with no recognition or limited recognition. CrazyRepublican (talk) 10:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Practically speaking, they are governed as independent entities with seperate healthcare, testing, reporting, and borders, thus would be relevant to include them separately with regards to this pandemic. --17jiangz1 (talk) 11:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that list lacks following inhabited territories under foreign occupation: 1.Golan Heights (Israeli occupation), 2. Azad Kashmir (Pakistani occupation), 3. Gilgit Baltistan (Pakistani occupation), 4. Aksai Chin (Chinese occupation), 5. Shaksgam River Valley (Chinese occupation), 6. City of Sevastopol (Russian occupation), 7. Autonomous Republic of Crimea (Russian occupation).CrazyRepublican (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * In the cases where they are under clear foreign occupation, the numbers are often reported as part of the foreign occupiers' so does not have to be separately listed. --17jiangz1 (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk and Luhansk "republics", Northern Cyprus are under foreign occupation  now. But these countries marked in table as separate entities. CrazyRepublican (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Those are de-facto sovereign states, and not simply regions under foreign occupation.--17jiangz1 (talk) 06:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Those aren't de-facto sovereign states. Those are under russian occupation.UkrainerDE (talk) 11:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Northern Mariana Islands and Western Saharra - and other territories
The Northern Mariana Is are in the Wikipedia page but not listed on the Worldometer listing - why is this variation present?

Western Sahara is confirmed with 4 cases on Worldometer and is the same as Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic but the later name remains as no cases on the Africa list yet in the notes confirms there are cases - this needs updating.

The territories etc list remains very excessive and needs revising - there is no logic to add more and more islands/areas. The Nations of the UN plus the standard recognised territories makes sense. Alderney & Sark are not self governing and have no logic to be listed. similar with islands linked to places like Mauritius etc - it should match that of the Worldometer listing for consistency and any of the "extra" areas could be listed as a seperate statement for info.

Those below should remain: 2	 Bougainville[280]	249,358	autonomous region	Papua New Guinea

4	 American Samoa[281]	55,191	unincorporated territory	United States

7	 Bonaire[282]	20,104	special municipality	Netherlands

9	 Cook Islands[283]	17,564	associated state	New Zealand 10	 Wallis and Futuna	11,239	overseas collectivity	France

13	Saint Helena & dependant Territories Saint Helena[284]	4,534	(administrative subdivision of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha)	United Kingdom

17	 Saba	1,915	special municipality	Netherlands 18	 Christmas Island	1,843	external territory	Australia 19	Norfolk Island Norfolk Island	1,748	external territory	Australia 20	 Niue	1,626	associated state	New Zealand

23	 Tokelau	1,357	dependent territory	New Zealand

26	 Cocos (Keeling) Islands	544	external territory	Australia

31	 Pitcairn Islands	50	overseas territory	United Kingdom

Check Northern Mariana Islands - and add if no cases and on case list in error

States with no recognition or limited recognition - following now has cases and needs removing

6	 Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic[b]	100,000	Disputed	Africa	recognised by at least one UN member state Sparkylucas75 (talk) 14:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)sparkylucas75


 * The current Western Sahara cases are reported by Morocco in Moroccan-controlled territory. I don't seem to find any sources for cases in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic at the moment. Feel free to share sources if you find any. --17jiangz1 (talk) 15:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The territory controlled by SADR is uninhabited desert, with a provisional capital used for ceremonial purposes, but no permanent inhabitants. SADR population live in refugee camps around Tindouf, in neighboring Algeria. There are no confirmed cases in those camps, and SADR authorities claim there are none - which is doubtful given the situation in Algeria proper, but that's not the point here, we are interested in official statistics. The Moroccan media reported several cases, and even deaths, in the refugee camps, but those reports are also doubtful because of the political bias. I can link a few of those articles if you are interested, but they are definitely not reliable sources.
 * (Just to explain: I am a foreign resident in Morocco, and following the situation closely. I am also neutral on the political issue.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.64.163.24 (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I have updated the "External Territory" table to match the definition of Dependent Territory and changed the title accordingly. Nick Moss (talk) 00:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Another user has reinstated the administrative subdivisions and autonomous regions into another table. I would suggest these are not well-defined and should be removed, since there is no clear definition for these. Could we start adding in local government/council/county areas that have no cases? Perhaps suburbs of cities which are locked down and don't have cases? There aren't any cases in my house, shall we put that on too? Nick Moss (talk) 11:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:Nick Moss I agree with you, we need to erase all of them. He seems dont understand what difference between external territories as dependent territories and autonomous region, which has different legal status according to international law. In "States with limited recognition" table, I'm also deleting Puntland, Jubaland, and Rojava, as far as I know, those entities didn't seek any sort of status as independent countries. I don't understand why did he keep inserting many administrative subdivision that still remain integral part of each controlling countries - Ibrahim Muizzuddin  &#128172;  12:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

UK and the Netherlands
Why there are no recoveries statistics for UK and the Netherlands? In Worldometers they have 135 and 250 recovery cases respectively. Aminabzz (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There are not official figures for recoveries in these territories. You can check the footnotes in the table. For the United Kingdom: As of 23 March 2020, the United Kingdom government does not publish the number of recoveries. Last update on 22 March reported 135 recovered patients. Keeping that 135 from 22 March would be misleading, since the estimated number of recoveries is much higher by now. The situation is similar for the Netherlands, see the footnote: The Dutch Government agency RIVM, responsible for the constituent country the Netherlands, does not count its number of recoveries. --MarioGom (talk) 18:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Åland Islands reference fault
The original source is not Finnish language, it is Swedish! Look it up I you don't believe me. Vasaras kruīzi Tallink (talk) 20:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Nick Moss (talk) 04:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020
Curacao has 7 people recovered now instead of 5 138.219.140.30 (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That table comes from Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data, someone will update it there. There are a lot of numbers, we can't expect everything to be updated the minute the country releases new numbers. --mfb (talk) 04:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation hatnote
I took a stab at writing a disambiguation hatnote between this article and National responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. I'm not sure I got the distinction perfectly right, so if those of you maintaining this article want it to be different, please feel free to modify (so long as you're able to agree with the folks at the other page and keep the hatnotes synchronized). &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 05:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020
Numbers of Deaths in Switzerland ist 705. See offical Link below of the swiss gouverment

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/situation-schweiz-und-international.html Davidisler (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done It's updated. Also, this is a template, so this request should've been made on its talk page. Nevertheless, this request is done. &#123;&#123;replyto&#125;&#125; Can I Log In's (talk) page 19:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020
Curacao has 7 people recovered now instead of 5 138.219.140.30 (talk) 15:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The accompanying source states 5 recoveries, not 7. So if there is a different source to support your request, them please provide one. Also, this request is for the template, so this should've been made on the talk page. &#123;&#123;replyto&#125;&#125; Can I Log In's (talk) page 19:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

This is missing Vatican City
Since Vatican City is a separate country, they should be listed here as the most affected nation. 7 out of 618 is 11326 per million. Vatican City is the most affected country per capita. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.101.160 (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It isn't clear what you are asking for here. Vatican City is included on the table and on the timeline, and there doesn't appear to be anywhere in the article indicating which nation is most affected per head of population. Nick Moss (talk) 09:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

New Zealand cases are wrong
Can the number of cases for New Zealand please be updated? The Ministry of Health lists 1239 as the total confirmed and probable cases, while the current confirmed cases total is only 992. https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbananas129 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Table has since been updated to today’s figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbananas129 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * It is currently correct. Thank you for the alert. --MarioGom (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2020
change death toll of Spain to 15,843 2A01:E0A:580:C5B0:A823:3E08:3C0C:2393 (talk) 10:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Is is actually 15,969 now. --MarioGom (talk) 14:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Monastic Republic of Mount Athos
autonomous Monastic Republic of Mount Athos should be counted seperate than Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.5.6 (talk) 09:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Iran deaths number
Iranian authorities are announcing their statistics every 24 hours on 10:30 AM in GMT time. They announced 3993 deaths on that time (6 and a half hours ago). So how is the numbers increased by 10 while they will announce more, 14 hours later? Aminabzz (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Pardon me. 17 and a half hours later. Aminabzz (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Problematic statements
The article right now states:

"The crude (preliminary) case fatality rate is 6.0%.[2]"

And it links to some study at the St. John Hopkins University.

But this is not correct, because it depends on the country, and many additional factors. We have a range as low as ~2.0%, to 4.1% or so in Wuhan (but other areas in China have e. g. 2.0; and then we have situations such as Italy or Spain with 10-12%. While the latter may decrease (because weaker people with pre-diseases are statistically more likely to die early, as opposed to those who may recover), having a statement like "the case fatality rate is 6.0%", is SIMPLY NOT CORRECT TO SAY. Wikipedia should NOT make such generic statements without restrictions - John Hopkins university is not even the only one doing testings. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:1535:595B:9280:DF61 (talk) 16:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Note that all your estimates are not accurate. Calculating the case fatality rate based on cumulative confirmed cases and deaths at a fixed point in time is problematic for a few reasons. First, because testing capabilities differ, second, because of time-lag between diagnosis and death, and the fact that during the growth stage of the pandemic, most cases are still active cases (they have neither recovered or died). You can read more about the problems of calculating the fatality rate reliably at this article published at The Lancet: Estimating case fatality rates of COVID-19. This is exactly why we must rely on reliable sources in medicine for this kind of statements on Wikipedia, instead of doing our own (wrong) calculations. Anyway, we will need to update that figure, since new studies are appearing with more up-to-date data. --MarioGom (talk)


 * Ok. I have checked that the case fatality rate reported in this article was calculated by us, not coming from the source. I have removed it accordingly. For more info, refer to . --MarioGom (talk) 17:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Chinese numbers are a severe undercount according to US intelligence agencies

 * There needs to be a note or caveat made with the numbers of cases from the People's Republic of China, which has now been revealed to have deliberately covered up the true extent of the outbreak there, since at least November. According to various US intelligence agencies, China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease.


 * "Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus. 'The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,' she said at a news conference on Tuesday. 'Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.'"


 * These Wikipedia numbers are being used in Google searches as a "source" for number of cases. The misinformation from China, and thus also the WHO (which failed to label this correctly as a pandemic early on, despite calls from experts to do so), has already caused severe hardship that was preventable, and has made the suffering worse in this pandemic. Wikipedia needs to take action on this immediately. 142.116.178.22 (talk) 19:47, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * US intelligence agencies are not a reliable source. Actually they are an adversarial actor to China. --MarioGom (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, they ARE a reliable source according to Wikipedia policy, and certainly Bloomberg is. The CIA and NSA have more information than you even understand. The United States government, and sources from them, are used across Wikipedia and are reliable sources according to policy here. Where's your evidence they are not reliable for Wiki? The People's Republic of China and its corrupt agencies - which includes arresting and silencing a doctor who tried to alert the public in early December - are NOT reliable sources, yet you are erroneously taking them at face value. Your comment will be ignored. 142.116.178.22 (talk) 22:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * No you ARE NOT a reliable source, you need to provide evidence that they are. "The CIA and NSA have more information than you even understand." No, they really don't. "yet you are erroneously taking them at face value. " Because that's what the figures are, according to China, not US intelligence agencies. Another stupid American.


 * Based upon the content of MarioGom's user page, this person is a compromised or biased editor in favour of the Communist Party of China. There are also several Chinese bots or users actively trying to further even more misinformation. This person's partisan remarks and baseless accusations should be ignored. 142.116.178.22 (talk) 22:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Please, note that personal attacks are not allowed on Wikipedia and a minimum of civility towards other editors is required. Other editors might want to discuss whether US intelligence agencies remarks are due here or not. Best, --MarioGom (talk) 22:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The CIA is hardly a reliable source considering how they flip flop. We can mention this somewhere but not as a fact but rather framed in the war of narratives. Incidentally there are sources shwoing practically every single country in the world is undercounting Corona deaths. I suggest the political edit warriors take a chill pill here. Php2000 (talk) 11:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Regardless of your personal concerns about the CIA, they are a reliable source per Wikipedia's policy, so if they cast doubt on China's numbers, it ought to be noted at the very least. More to the point, there is a difference between under-counting due to lack of ability to know every possible case versus deliberate suppression, the latter of which is what China has been doing, according to intelligence sources. Keep in mind that this is what US intelligence sources are alleging, I never said it was completely proven, in case that comes up. Wikipedia requires only reliable sources, not infallible ones. -- 69.86.190.130 (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * "Regardless of your personal concerns about the CIA, they are a reliable source per Wikipedia's policy" No, they literally aren't. Deal with your own personal, jingoistic feelings on the matter first. The CIA is not a reliable source. End of story.


 * Dismissing a source Wikipedia itself considers legitimate on the grounds that I am somehow "jingoistic" or otherwise biased on zero grounds is no way to operate a website. Either Wikipedia considers the CIA and US Intelligence reports to be reliable or not. You don't have to agree with Wikipedia or appreciate the policy. -- 69.86.190.130 (talk) 01:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The CIA isn't a source here. Bloomberg is. Bloomberg does not say the numbers are underreported, Bloomberg writes unspecified "intelligence officials" claims that. They don't mention the CIA even once in the article. The US intelligence community has a strong interest to question numbers from other countries, so they are not a very neutral information source. At most this can lead to a note that the numbers are disputed by some. It's probably better to write a general note that numbers of some countries are questioned by others. --mfb (talk) 05:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a moot discussion. The numbers of most countries including the United States can safely be assumed to be a severe undercount, and in many cases this is much more than an assumption but easily verifiable. Deliberately not doing any testing for instance is a great way to cover up the true numbers. Obviously you will have a wonderfully low number of verified cases if you do hardly any testing in the first place. The downside of this strategy being that you will end up with a horrific percentage of deaths among those verified cases. --87.150.0.108 (talk) 08:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Disagree It's a slippery slope since almost every country is severely underreporting, and we get into Edit Wars by Political Warriors. Even US is severely underreporting infected cases and total deaths according to the New York Times and Washington Post, so let's not going down that route.Rwat128 (talk) 00:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The table already says in note (b): "Cumulative confirmed cases reported to date. The actual number of infections and cases are likely to be higher than reported." I think that covers all these questions: "confirmed" and "reported". The table has the numbers China (and everyone else) reports. The actual number is likely to be higher. We don't know, and don't claim to know, how much higher. Done. --mfb (talk) 01:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

The underreporting by China is much higher than any other country. This was originally mentioned by various unofficial sources, but then it became well known: the French press mentions comments by the Chinese Diaspora around 60 000 deaths: (also, and ). This article mentions several direct sources. The widely used does not present numbers for China, mentioning that the numbers are vastly underreported: sources are known epidemiologists. Other countries underreport the number of contamination, but the number of deaths is validated by global mortality rates (e.g. INSEE reports in France). According to that source, there is a unique, on purpose, underreporting in China by local governments as they are afraid of consequences by the communist party if they report disasters - yes, other governments underreport, but the deaths are not underreported by a factor 30 - for example journalists found the underreporting of deaths in EHPAD, leading to an increase by some percentage, but far less than a factor 2. China is a very special, widely validated, underreporting. Olivier Teytaud2A01:E0A:544:29F0:4A8:44E4:851:F90B (talk) 05:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities. It's not a factor 30, but that factor 30 is largely speculation for China. --mfb (talk) 05:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)