Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in France/Archive 1

Desks
Soon, it will be to hard to search and found all the informations to complete the desks whowhich detail all the individual cases. I do not know if it is of interest to pursue them.And also how to keep (in the event of their deletion) a clarity of information. Ruru31500 (talk) 19:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC+1 WT)
 * As useful as I found these information to be, I agree it would be hard to keep it up to date. I would say that it would be an interesting data-base for any future researcher on this particular epidemic to try and complete all information possible in the month (years?) to come, but I would understand if no one undertook the task. Maybe it would be more useful to concentrate on other part of the article, like the Statistic part, or Reaction part ? Lekemok (talk) 20:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Sources??
I see on this article it says that there are 100 cases in France. Where does this number come from? When I click on the link to Thelocal.fr they do not provide a source for that number. The website santepublicfrance.fr says that today there are 73 confirmed cases, whereas the WHO daily report says 57. The WHO only updates every 24 hours, so I think this number on santepublic.fr is the most accurate. Here's the link: https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/articles/covid-19-situation-epidemiologique-en-france

Thanks for clarifying. hibou (talk) 23:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Here, mate. This one is from Reuters. The timestamp is around 6 hours ago, so they might be a bit late for reporting.— Squid Homme  (talk) 00:26, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's definitely a better source than The Local ;) Maybe Reuters can be linked in the article as the source for the number. hibou (talk) 09:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The French Health Minister makes an announcement everyday. He made two yesterday, one around midday announcing 73 cases, which correspond to the number you saw on the santepubliquefrance.fr website, and another at 6pm when he announced 100 cases (https://www.lemonde.fr/sante/article/2020/02/29/coronavirus-deux-soignants-de-l-hopital-tenon-testes-positifs-un-premier-cas-detecte-a-roissy_6031343_1651302.html). Santepubliquefrance.fr is not always up to date as it is updated around midday, before the Health Minister press conference. Lekemok (talk) 12:59, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

A graph?
Why can't this article have a graph of the growth of total cases like the German article does?--Adûnâi (talk) 19:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Validity of the figures
The figures in France should be taken with caution when comparing with other countries since far less people are tested than in other countries. You need to exhibit strong symptoms to be tested. Hektor (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Why is there a Bar box built directly in the page and why is it different from the template?!
Not only they have different formatting, they also have different numbers! So, which one is right (follows 24h periods)? Meanwhile, I can't convert it to the default Medical cases chart framework... Alexiscoutinho (talk) 04:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Map
I think it would be useful to have a map, if we can agree on what put on it. A map of departments would be more useful and more precise. We need to differentiate places of infection and places of hospitalization, I agree, but it is sometimes unclear whether the person has been infected in the department where he or she has been confirmed infected. I suggest to map in red places where infection has been detected, regardless of where it has been infected, in blue suspected cases and in green places of hospitalization. Another step would be to differentiate the shade of red according to the number of cases confirmed. As for now, map would look like this examples. What to you think ? Lekemok (talk) 14:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * EDIT : Sorry for the size of the map, I don't understand why I can't change it.Lekemok (talk) 14:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm totally agree with you. And I just noticed it, that the map is gone. Where the **** is the map?? Why we remove the map? A map is important to visualize the outbreak so we can reduce panic among people and/or so people will know the region to avoid as a precautions. And so the authorities can impose something like curfew or lockdown in affected areas as a preventive measures.— Squid Homme  (talk) 15:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with you but we must do this in a separate map with a different name (like File:COVID-19 Outbreak Cases in France with hospitalisations.svg), for consistency with other maps (the blue and the red ones). — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 15:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This map looks very good, first because all the informations are true, and then because it is a clear division between the location of the hospitalisations and infection. France is a very small country and there is a habit of gathering in the capitals the most serious cases, such as a hierarchy (example of Lille or Grenoble). There is in the Statistics part of the Main page a list of all the departments were infections takes places, and of course places of hospitalisation in the different desks. Ruru31500 (talk) 19:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC+1 WT)
 * Of course, the map should be added. Or is this some weird political correctness-related thing? Also, why not just colour "hospitalizations" as "suspected cases"? I don't understand the category.--Adûnâi (talk) 18:39, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll try and update the map with the few information we had during the day. For the statistic part of the main page, it only lists cases in all the regions, which would correspond to the 'Lombardy' or 'Veneto' level in Italy. I'm not sure it is precise enough for this map, so that's why I stuck to departements which are smaller. Hospitalizations are not suspected cases, as User:Ruru31500 explained : sometimes cases tested in a departement may be moved in another one if the hospital is better suited to treat the case. Lekemok (talk) 19:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Can someone please add Haute Vienne region on the map to confirmed cases. Source Mg27127 (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2020

WikiProject COVID-19
I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Map incomplete
The map only shows mainland France. But Saint Martin and Saint Barthélemy are two islands located thousands miles away from France, on another continent ! Their cases shall be reported to the proper continent. FMichaud76 (talk) 06:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Not a single case in Paris? Amazing! How are they keeping it out? (It's white on the map, indicating zero cases.) 70.27.169.176 (talk) 14:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC) loop 10

source for current figures
https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/articles/infection-au-nouveau-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-covid-19-france-et-mondeFoolssanma (talk) 18:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Every day, SpF gives two numbers:
 * first number at 2pm/3pm (14:00/15:00) on SpF and WHO
 * second number at 7pm/8pm (19:00/20:00) on daylimotion and pscp.tv
 * Sometimes the first and second  number are the same
 * Viruscorona2020 (talk) 06:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft possible figures for FR and metropolitan neighbours
These two draft figures represent the daily data for FR and the six non-city-state neighbours of metropolitan France (Andorra is tiny) (ignoring Guyane and the other DOM/TOM). The script to update the data without overstressing WMF servers is at Commons:File:SARS-CoV-2 infections in and around Poland en.svg, converted to a francocentric geo-POV. Boud (talk) 17:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Where has the map of registered cases per region gone?
Wikipedia is more and more viewed as a reliable source of information but the effort required to now get the number of registered cases in a particular region is far too great.

Three days ago, we were able to view directly a map of registered cases per region, and now this map is gone.

Can this map be recreated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.123.99.88 (talk) 19:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)


 * France (SpF) will no longer give, from 26 March 2020, the number of "total cases" (hospitalised + home) by region every day, but probably only once a week.


 * while waiting France (SpF) give every day the number of "hospitalized cases" (number of people hospitalized in hospital).


 * If France (SpF) gives once a week the number of "total cases" (hospitalized + at home) by region, then we can get a case card once a week.


 * Viruscorona2020 (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

wikidata
To update the data, fr.wikipedia uses wikidata : fr:Épidémie de maladie à coronavirus de 2020 en France Viruscorona2020 (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please don't (1) include links to Wikidata in articles, in violation of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 204 (2) import entire chains of modules and their dependencies when there are pre-existing modules that do the same thing. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:05, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * (Table back-copied from article to replace use of deleted modules) * Pppery * it has begun... 15:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Source for recovery figures?
I couldn't find a source for the number of recovered cases, the only source attached to those figures is Santé Publique France but they don't seem to report on recoveries. Where are these figures coming from? codl (talk) 00:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * first : daylimotion, pscp.tv and tweeter;
 * after : in newspapper
 * Viruscorona2020 (talk) 05:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. I've added the latest press release on dailymotion as a source, will keep updating with newer ones. codl (talk) 11:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * New source (official) :
 * data.gouv.fr
 * Geodes
 * gouvernement.fr
 * Viruscorona2020 (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Viruscorona2020 (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

How many in hospital?
The map indicates that just under half of all the known cases are currently in hospital; about 16000. Is this correct, given that data in Wikipedia and elsewhere suggests that at least 80% of cases only have mild symptoms. Arcturus (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * At 28.03.2008, we have 37 575 detected for 15 701 hospitalized. The SantePubliqueFrance have stoped publication of number positiv cases by day because the number of 37 575 is beneath reality. At 24.03.2008, the true number of positive cases would be 41 836 COVID-19 (IC95% [28 441; 55 231)] Viruscorona2020 (talk) 21:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

State of the article
With due respect to all who have been contributing to the article so far, I find that while there is plenty of divisional information and ample statistics and updates, it does not adequately portray the situation in France. I have therefore been copying over elements from the fr.wp article, which I feel is better structured, especially with respect to the official response. I would invite you all to replicate sections of the fr.wp article as you are able. Furthermore, I think it would be interesting to elaborate on the controversy raging over Didier Raoult and his use of Hydroxychloroquine, the clamouring over the treatment in Marseilles and the disruption this is causing to trials of the medication and other potential alternative treatments. --  Ohc  ¡digame! 08:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Didier Raoult is not the only one to test hydroxychloroquine, other researchers are doing trials in Paris, and also in Caen, but they don't get better results than with other known treatments so it's not really a controversial raging.
 * Didier Raoult needed a lot of volunteers for his experiment and many have responded, but it hasn't created really a "disruption". Viruscorona2020 (talk) 08:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Map
Hi. I made a map of the outbreak based on population, File:COVID-19 outbreak France per capita cases map.svg. However, for some reason, Wiki won't render it properly. It looks fine on Chrome, so I can't figure out why. If anyone can fix it, it would be a nice addition. Ythlev (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Here : fr:Discussion:Pandémie_de_maladie_à_coronavirus_de_2020_en_France. Viruscorona2020 (talk) 06:17, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Shortages
Hello ! There is quite some scandal in France due to the observation of PPE shortages. I didn't find informations in this article, but I will add some if I bump in it again.

Number of deaths
Please just modify the data of daily deaths. It cannot be possible to have only 400 deaths if from 3/4 to 4/4 goes from 6,500 to 7,500. Thank you. 83.39.208.224 (talk) 18:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The state is reporting retirement homes deaths only now, weeks after they actually happened. Hence the increase over the last 3 days. I updated the daily deaths graph to be deaths in hospitals only. The main deaths graph still accounts for the retirement homes deaths of course. 46.253.184.161 (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Data and sources
Please note about the data for France : Worldometers wrongly adds confirmed or probable cases in retirement homes (EHPAD) to the total of confirmed cases (which already include confirmed cases of EHPAD). For example, for April 4, they add 21 348 and 68 605. This is a mistake. Similarly, JHU CSSE considers that the total of deaths (7,560 to April 4) only concerns Metropolitan France and adds Overseas deaths which are already included. These are therefore counted twice. Buisson (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Add some photos, please!
This article, while very filled with charts and graphs, does not currently have a single photo. I'll look for one of the Open Door gathering to add, but I'd suggest additional ones beyond that, too. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: seems there isn't one of the Open Door gathering, unless we're comfortable using one of the 2017 gathering, which I'm not. I added an image request. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Background section
For a debate about the new introduction of the Background section, please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19.--walkeetalkee 17:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Shortage of masks controversy
The 'Shortage of masks controversy' section, is now phrased in such a way that it reads as a rambling and defensive history of mask purchase in France. Is there a controversy or not, if so what is it exactly? The previous text was about French seizure of masks intended for other EU countries, which appears to have all but disappeared. Unfortunately my French is not up to par to rewrite. Pincrete (talk) 22:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Some cities, such as Sceaux (Yvelines, département 78), have issued decrees requiring people to put on a mask if they have to leave the house.
 * The problem is that until May 31, 2020, anyone with a mask must give it to the state because health professionals (doctors, nurses, ..) do not have them to work with patients with covid19. Viruscorona2020 (talk) 07:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't really say any of this, it reads at present as a rather rambling, self-justifying defence of past govt's actions, with a bit of current situation 'tacked on' at the end. Pincrete (talk) 10:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe see Viruscorona2020 (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Reliable French journalistic sources have "proven" that the management of the masks issue by the current French government has been catastrophic. But the previous management was also a major cause in the shortage. The section should be expanded I think. Hervegirod (talk) 10:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * France had masks until 2013 under the presidency of François HollandeViruscorona2020 (talk) 05:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Wrong/outdated per-territory statistics
In, the "Situation on 10 April 2020" has incorrect figures for overseas France. These figures do not correspond to official figures as of 10 April. For example, Mayotte has 35 cases in the table, but in the WHO Situation Report for 10 April is already 191. Note that WHO Situation Reports list exactly the figures as officially reported by France, with some time delay. I'm not sure if that 35 is outdated or if someone took incorrect data. Note that Géodes does not publish per-department cumulative confirmed cases, so don't try to find this figure there. --MarioGom (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Let me just add that I've been recently updating 2020 coronavirus pandemic in French Guiana and 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Mayotte using the local health authorities and even though they have some missing data in the beginning, the figures are reliable. A quick scan of the Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data, that the territories with a significant amount of infections are publishing their source data. KittenKlub (talk) 14:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I see this table uses Wikidata for the number cases, but data from Wikidata is not from 10 April 2020. The table currently lacks data consistency. It is supposed to be "Situation on 10 April 2020", but apparently figures come from different days for each column and row. And they are not even referenced. We need a complete overhaul of the table. --MarioGom (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * In wikidata, number of cases of Mayotte indicates : 217 for April 14, 2020
 * I don't understand why the number of Mayotte cases from wikidata has been removed from the table.
 * Viruscorona2020 (talk) 02:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I am not arguing that the wikidata information is correct, but at a quick glance it is clear that all the figures of the overseas territories are significantly lower which also begs the questions: what about the metropolitan data? Personally I get dizzy just looking at that table and I am not going to touch or figure out how it works, so we are hoping that one of the original constructors will look at it. KittenKlub (talk) 08:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the "number of cases" column should be deleted for the metropolitan regions, possibly leaving the "number of cases" column for Overseas, since Overseas continues to give the "number of cases" every day.
 * Before March 26th I updated the data on wikidata every day, but since March 26th, France no longer publishes the "number of cases" for metropolitan regions except for Overseas and for all of France, including Overseas.
 * Someone continues to update the metropolitan regions in the table, but I don't know where he finds the values. They exist, but they are not published for the metropolitan regions. And the values are lower than the reality. Antidote2020 (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the only sensible and consistent solution for this table, at this point. is using the last WHO Situation Report and the French government figures for the same date. Note that dates must be aligned. That means that not all figures will be available for all regions, but at least data will be consistent. --MarioGom (talk) 10:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * For regions see Talk:2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_France, Antidote2020 (talk) 10:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Cases in EHPAD
The infobox says 86,334 (Total excluding EHPAD as of 9 April). Could someone point the source for the claim that this excludes EHPAD as of 9 April? Actually, according to the cited source, deaths in EHPAD are included in the 86,334 total. Cases (not dead) in EHPAD might be unclear, but I could not find a source saying that they are excluded. --MarioGom (talk) 09:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Also see 's comment at . --MarioGom (talk) 09:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the note . It is not backed by the cited source (official France stats). It is not supported by WHO Situation Reports or other reliable sources either. --MarioGom (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * +1Viruscorona2020 (talk) 08:33, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sources say that EHPAD cases are included beginning 2 April (I have included this in the header). We might add other sources about that because some sources say that these figures are still very incomplete. I think the best would not be to change anything in the figures but maybe adding a specific paragraph about EHPADs. Hervegirod (talk) 10:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Since 2 April, Jerome Salomon has been reporting the number of Esms cases daily and since 3 or 4 April, John Hopkins University has been adding PCR cases to the Esms cases.
 * But the Esms cases contain 1/3 of PCR diagnoses and 2/3 of clinical diagnoses, which results in duplicates in this sum: the 1/3 of Esms' PCR cases are counted double.
 * Therefore neither the SpF, nor the government, nor fr.wiki publish this sum as long as there are duplicates → John Hopkins.
 * Only diagnoses made by PCR are called "confirmed" cases, while diagnoses made by clinical medical examination are called "possible" cases.
 * Esms : medical and non-medical résidential home, Viruscorona2020 (talk) 05:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note that we include only "confirmed cases" (per World of Health Organization definition) in the "confirmed cases field". There is a "suspected cases" fields where clinically diagnosed cases can be included. But in any case, the number of cases in EHPAD includes cases already in the global confirmed cases figure. Figures for France from Worldometer or JHU should not be used. --MarioGom (talk) 07:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Since April 15, the government website finally displays separately the "probable/possible cases" and the "confirmed cases" of the esms that github now correctly adds up, but and their map continues to double the Overseas ultramarines. Antidote2020 (talk) 02:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

CDG carrier
The article now writes that 668 sailors tested positive (figures from 15 April), but articles from 19 April say that 1081 sailors tested positive. I think that the discrepancy is due to the difference between the aeronaval group (2010 sailors, 1081 positive) and the carrier itself (1760 sailors,668 positive). We should separate the two counts in the section I think. Hervegirod (talk) 10:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * A provisional balance sheet had been drawn up when it arrived on Sunday. It announced 668 sailors contaminated by the Covid-19. A total of 1081 sailors have tested positive for the coronavirus on the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and the naval aviation group accompanying it, out of a total of 2300 people, announced Florence Parly. ->
 * This time the results are final: 1046 sailors of the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle have tested positive for the new coronavirus out of a total of 1760, the French army said Saturday. On Friday, before the Defense Committee of the National Assembly, the Minister of Armed Forces Florence Parly had mentioned 1081 positive sailors on the Covid-19 on the entire naval air group (the aircraft carrier, accompanying ships and aircraft). ->Antidote2020 (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in Paris
Bonjour les Wikipediens or les Wikipediennes from Paris, So the largest city in the European country is Paris and also the capital of France. I hope anyone will create article titled COVID-19 pandemic in Paris, The proposed article will be titled as title COVID-19 pandemic in Paris will be focused on the pandemic within the city of Paris, France. The propose article will include how many active cases, how many deaths, how many recoveries and how many overall cases within the city of Paris, France. I will by happy for anyone's reply for the requested article to created and will be only focused on the city of Paris, France specifically. Thanks for your time. Come back some if it's created. See you later. 2001:569:74D2:A800:597:7665:7DAB:5D7F (talk) 07:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pandémie_de_Covid-19_en_France_par_région#Paris Antidote2020 (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Dispute about case numbers
How about the doubt concerning the official vs. real case numbers in France? Official case numbers as of today are 131,287. Worldometer estimates them at 168,693, Johns Hopkins University estimates 168,925. Before, numbers from EHPAD and EMS were not included, but this changed 2020-04-01. JHU claims, that probable cases are not tested in France on purpose in order to keep the official case numbers low. That's why they publish a much higher guess. --Traut (talk) 07:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WHO : 130 979 (03.05.2020)
 * ECDC : 131 287 (03.05.2020)Antidote2020 (talk) 10:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * So what? Both do use the official French numbers. That does not answer the critic of JHU. --11:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traut (talk • contribs)
 * Ok, Traut.
 * WHO, ECDC, SpF, ... : confirmed cases (only)
 * JHU, BNO, worldometers, ... : confirmed cases + probable cases
 * Does that answer your question? Antidote2020 (talk) 12:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see the issue with the official numbers; nobody has better quality figures. Every country's figure is estimated, and we won't get the true figures until a long time after the event. I think it's rather unfair of JHU to cast aspersions on the political motivation when the fact is the government has admitted that they have up to now been huge shortages, including those of test kits.--Ohconfucius (on the move) (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

World Military Games
It's now widely reported that the 2019 WMG in Wuhan may have been an early forum for transmission. No doubt governments will order extensive serological testing of athletes and confirmation or otherwise will be forthcoming. --Ohconfucius (on the move) (talk) 08:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Situation by region - Delete section?
DELETE: The whole "situation by region" section is i. hugely out of date and ii. largely POV. It makes this article cumbersome and yet adds nothing. Can it be deleted? If not, why not? What does it bring to the article? 86.241.51.167 (talk) 16:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

COVID=19 in Nord and Pas-de-Calais departements
In the Hauts-de-France region, these 2 northernmost departements are the highest population density departements in Metropolitian France, but the rate of hospitalizations (how serious they are) and pace of Covid-19 spread was less than what was reported in Alsace (Bas and Haut departements) and comparisons to other regions in France (the "red zone" like Ile-de-France and Grand-Est) as the country partially reopens on May 11). Locals said they inherited the Belgian/Flemish/Dutch customs of being "clean" or a high emphasis of personal hygiene (a stereotype that may contain a grain of truth). And social distancing was "easy" for this regional culture, like Northern European countries, tend to give each other more personal space (almost 6 feet/2 meters apart) although face-kissing is a common customary trait like handshakes in the USA/Canada. 2605:E000:100D:C571:7D82:A683:E434:DB3D (talk) 04:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * They are not the most dense populated departments in the Hexagon. Île-de-France is the most densely populated. Besides, PACA - which is only slightly less dense than Haute-de-France had a lot less cases. So your "Flemish cleanliness" theory seems wholly unfounded. 86.241.51.167 (talk) 16:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Lessons of the WW2 Nazi occupation I guess, in what to do in a crisis? 2605:E000:100D:C571:6DCE:ABEA:BC50:DF93 (talk) 21:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Ranking sixth
When I look at a table of the countries France seems eighth and not sixth... 2A01:CB0C:66E:EC00:B074:B20E:EA0A:F759 (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This might change from day to day due to the pandemic dynamic.
 * In fact, on 19 may,
 * with 41,83 fatalities per 100 000 inhabitants, France is ranked 7th.
 * with 28 022 fatalities, France is ranked 4th, after the USA, the UK and Italia.
 * the number of cases are not comparable anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.208.70 (talk) 07:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

First case
[Re-moved from the archive so it is clear to editors] * December 27:

The opening sentence of this article states that "The COVID-19 pandemic reached France on 24 January 2020". On the other hand, in the 'Timeline' section > 'First confirmed cases' subsection, there is mention of the recently reported case of a patient being tested on 27 December, which upon retesting has now been found to have been CV-positive. I realise this is an evolving situation, but shouldn't this article somehow address that apparent contradiction? Also, on a separate point, the 2nd para of the 'First confirmed cases' subsection reads as "On 23 January, the French Minister of Health office also officially published the same analysis on the situation", but it's not obvious to me at least what that refers to. Anyone know more? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since 21 January, almost every day (in the evening), the Minister of Health or the Director of Health or both, gives a public speech for 15 to 30 minutes, during which the situation of the epidemic in France and abroad is explained.
 * I listened to the speech on 23 January (invitations-presse), but I didn't understand why it was on Wikipedia : as of 23 January, two cases were negative and a third case was under investigation to find out whether it was positive, but we never knew, to my knowledge, whether it was positive, so I think it was negative.
 * Befor May 3, the first three known cases were one case in Bordeaux and two cases in Paris on January 24. But since May 3, another case was positive on December 27 in Bobigny. This case had been contaminated with his two children but not with his wife. All three have since been cured. Antidote2020 (talk) 13:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The lead needs a rewrite to due to this new information. The exact source is a Reuters article, which I quote below as it was added to COVID-19_pandemic_in_Europe:


 * There is of course more information available there. In any case, the lead should be less dependent on the date of the first case (which is still not definitely known). 107.190.33.254 (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This seem a good way to write it in, except the quote should be rewritten to avoid close paraphrasing. --Ohconfucius (on the move) (talk) 21:35, 5 May 2020 (UTC):I was going to rewrite the lead based on this source but then I saw that there is still no official confirmation of that 27 December case.-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 20:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know about "official confirmation"; the scientist's paper is available as a pre-print: . Of course, the paper being but one WP:PRIMARY source means the we should treat it with caution, but this is from medical experts and, except for the fact that it's only a pre-print, I don't think there's a reasonable ground to doubt it. The quote can be of course rewritten, though the wording from the Reuters release seems the most concise. If we insist on not quoting it, maybe "[...] showed a patient had contracted the disease on 27 December, almost a month before the first officially confirmed cases." 107.190.33.254 (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It could be written as ...showed a patient had been infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus which causes COVID-19 by as early as 27 December. This discovery established that the disease had reached France almost a month prior than previously thought.


 * Form what I have read, the French Health Authority is still confirming the authenticity of this information. When there is an official source from the French Health Ministry, it could be added without any delays. Till then, we must wait. Shawnqual (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Any updates on this? •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 21:48, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

* December 2: France Info, May 7 : The first case of coronavirus in France dates back to 2 December. The head of the medical imaging department at the Albert-Schweitzer hospital in Colmar (Haut-Rhin) told franceinfo on Thursday 7 May that a man hospitalised on that date for a "respiratory infection" was found to be suffering from Covid-19, thanks to subsequent examinations. Until now, an inhabitant of Seine-Saint-Denis, who fell ill at the December 27, was considered to be the first person in France with Covid-19. Antidote2020 (talk) 08:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

"2020 France coronavirus lockdown" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 2020 France coronavirus lockdown. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 9 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 09:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Large discrepancy between Wikipedia's figures and Johns Hopkins University's figures for France?
For Aug 8, confirmed CoVid cases for France is given by Wikipedia as around 197,000 cases, while Johns Hopkins University's figures gives it as around 235,000. Why the LARGE discrepancy? Titus III (talk) 13:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Dates in lockdown chart
The dates in the chart in the Measures chart in the lockdown section, especially the 'to' dates do not appear to be accurate as to either the date the measure was introduced, nor the dates at which they ceased to be operative. Since my French is not good, I'm posting here in the hope that someone can fix. Since refs generally don't state the dates that measures were relaxed, I would suggest that only the introduction date should be included and the 'relax' date rendered chronoligically in the text, since measures introduced 'as a bundle', were often relaxed/modified piecemeal. Pincrete (talk) 11:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've rationalised as much as I could (putting implementation dates, rather than from-to dates), someone with better French than mine might want to check dates against sources. Pincrete (talk) 06:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2020
Please add new information regarding curfew that will impose on 17 October and State of emergency which that measure were reimposed in France: 36.68.193.87 (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * On 14 October 2020, French President Emmanuel Macron declares a national state of public health emergency for the second time and impose a nighttime curfew in Île-de-France region that includes Paris, as well as Grenoble, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Montpellier, Rouen, Saint-Etienne, and Toulouse. The curfew begins from 09:00 pm to 06:00 am local time (CEST) (08:00 pm to 05:00 am CET) and will be implement from 17 October 2020 and last to four weeks. Under the rules, people in those cities cannot leave their homes unless for essential reasons, and anyone who violates the curfew would face a fine of 135 euros ($158.64) for the first offence. A second offence would bring a far steeper fine of 1,500 euros, or around $1,762.
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Has been added already without this request being properly closed Asartea   Trick  undefined  Treat  08:28, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Number of deaths 27/10 : 288 instead of 523
Please correct Number of deaths 27/10 : 288 instead of 523 https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/covid-19-523-deces-recenses-en-24-heures-en-france-du-jamais-vu-depuis-le-mois-d-avril_4158291.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.62.112.97 (talk) 14:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2020
Please add new information that Île-de-France region, which includes Paris suffers a record traffic jam of a cumulative 706 km in the early evening as people attempted to leave the region or elsewhere. I believe it is unexpected record for the city given the first lockdown i don't see heavy traffic jam before this. I believe the news is sourced from ITV and BBC 36.76.229.22 (talk) 10:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page COVID-19 pandemic in France. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 14:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Request for comment - cases change metrics
Please take part in discussion here: Project COVID-19, Medical cases charts - change type — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohraa Mondel (talk • contribs) 22:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Archives
Note that there is an archive of a number of discussions held on this page during 2020 at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in France/Archive 1. Yadsalohcin (talk) 18:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Broken graphs
It seems ome graphs in the statistics section are broken. Maybe a problem regarding data overlapping 2020 and 2021? It was working last time I checked, in 2020. Also, some graphs end in June 2020. 46.193.1.249 (talk) 16:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Statistics graphics
What's wrong with the display of the statistics? Looks as if something had been switched/swapped. And dates until the year 2031? --2001:A61:3598:4501:85F6:9C7F:249B:D708 (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Positive cases by regions table
The "COVID-19 cases in France by region and date" board is outdated and difficult to read. The second table of positives cases by region in the template page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/France_medical_cases) is much better and updated. But I can not replace the first by the second. Can anyone do it? Sami270 (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Update urgently required
Much of the text is misleadingly out of datem and refers overwelmingly to the situation pertaining to the first outbreak and lockdown in March 2020 but usually mentions only the month (and omitting the year), leading the casual reader to think it might refer to the present March (2021). This is particularly true of the sentences referring to the Overseas Départements. Rif Winfield (talk) 06:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

statistics - charts and data
What happened to the statistics of this week? Several charts in COVID-19_pandemic_in_France are completely messed up. ECDC data does show a significant drop of case numbers, reducing the week before by -274121 from 5877787 down to 5603666. --Traut (talk) 06:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 cases in France
Increase should be in absolute numbers. 0.01 % and such small values do not make any sense to compare with other days in the past.

statistics - charts and data
What happened to the statistics of this week? Several charts in COVID-19_pandemic_in_France are completely messed up. ECDC data does show a significant drop of case numbers, reducing the week before by -274121 from 5877787 down to 5603666. --Traut (talk) 06:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * As of today, the charts are still messed up, but no one cares? --Traut (talk) 11:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)



Cite error
The reference named "Santé Publique France" is no longer in use, but still appears in the reflist. It should be commented out or removed. Thanks 89.241.33.89 (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Sirdog (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you 89.241.33.89 (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Statistiques covid
Comment se fait-il que sur les statistiques COVID-19 par pays organisés par wiki ceux des décès n'apparaissent plus? Ne restent plus que les nouveaux cas journaliers. 2A01:E0A:96:6CD0:45B4:CB4F:576F:9FA0 (talk) 20:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Are you going to update the amount dead in France still saying 20th it's now the 25th about time it was updated
Get updated it's the 25th of December 80.5.1.12 (talk) 13:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)