Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine

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Suspected cases
There is a field in the infobox for the number of suspected cases. I am not sure what is the best figure to use: Source:
 * Reports of suspicion of Corona virus received in the past 24 hours. As of 10:00 26 March, this is 183.
 * The number of suspicion of Corona virus received since the beginning of 2020. As of 10:00 26 March, this is 1,124.

Toddy1 (talk) 09:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

DNR/LNR
First confirmed suspected case in the unrecognized LNR. https://www.interfax.ru/world/701404 Will the Health Ministry of Ukraine add it to their statistics? Should we add it here in this article? Or if it will be counted separately, a separate article is needed? VanHelsing.16 (talk) 07:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Comments
In the article we have a table of statistics that an editor has changed. I have put the new and old versions above. Most of the data in the table seemed to be calculated from available statistics.

The main benefit of the table seemed to be that it collated data on test results like this. This data is no longer in the table.

I do not know what the source is for the new data. The links do not work. If the table cannot be supported in its old form, maybe we should delete it and replace it with tables that can be supported by citations to sources with links that really work. Toddy1 (talk) 10:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2020
Change

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{infobox pandemic ... ... }}
 * deaths         = 3,400

as currently reported number of deaths is 3,400 and not 3,584. 3,584 is a number of new cases on 09/17/2020

This causes this wrong number propagation to all kinds of other systems including Google Search and reporting a sudden spike in deaths to 240+ a day, when previously well below 100. ISashaTC (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

the source URL for the timeline is broken
in the timeline diagram, this URL is broken:

Sources: Ukraine's Ministry of Health provides daily update of numbers from the previous day every morning at 9:00 here https://moz.gov.ua/article/news/operativna-informacija-pro-poshirennja-koronavirusnoi-infekcii-2019-ncov2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorontzov (talk • contribs) 12:34, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2020
The URL in the timeline, regarding the source of information, is broken and results in a 404.

Fix it.

The correct URL is: https://moz.gov.ua/article/news/operativna-informacija-pro-poshirennja-koronavirusnoi-infekcii-2019-ncov. Vorontzov (talk) 20:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Suggested link also leads to 404. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2020
Aha. I see - upon submit, wikipedia software modifies the URL and removes the dot at the end: The path is "operativna-informacija-pro-poshirennja-koronavirusnoi-infekcii-2019-ncov WITH A DOT".

For some reason, gov.ua decided to put a DOT at the end. Maybe two dots work, wikipedia removes one and the 2nd one remains? Let's try ...

Na, it doesn't work. It won't even work when putting \ or " to the dot URL. Two dots, three dots, nothing works.

Ahh .... it works, when using ref / cite web:

Let's try again Vorontzov (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC) Vorontzov (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC) Vorontzov (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Seagull123  Φ  13:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Linking
If you click Covid-19 pandemic in Ukraine it doesn't show the results in the search window on the top right! How can we fix this problem?! Vladimir Skokan1 (talk) 18:47, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Vaccination

 * "Instead, they were asking European countries to help with the vaccines." is almost literally in the source, I was actually afraid it can be taken as close paraphrasing;
 * Failed leadership of the government - it is also literally in the source, and pretty much every source bot under control of Ukrainian government says this - should I find five more? Ten more?--Ymblanter (talk) 14:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view and thus should not sound like a declaration against the vaccination policies Shmyhal Government by European Solidarity or another current opposition party in Ukraine. —  Yulia Romero  •  Talk to me!  18:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It should obviously not sound like declaration against vaccination policies by the government, but the government screwed up badly with the vaccination, and pretty much every reliable source noted this (including the three sources I added). There are no independent reliable sources saying the government has done a fantastic job. We must follow reliable sources and say in Wikipedia voice that one of the reasons Ukraine has the vaccination rate ranked 154 in the world were the government actions.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place to promote things, let alone condemn things. Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. I think it is not really useful information for readers that they asked European countries to help with the vaccines, plus including this information makes it look like Wikipedia is saying they should have accepted Russian vaccines.... That is something that should be avoided at all cost.... —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  18:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I just spent 1,5 hours updating the article about vaccination and nowhere it is "saying the government has done a fantastic job"....... Including in the article that Ukraine has the vaccination rate ranked 154 in the world is useful information, but anybody with half a brain can conclude from the current state of the article that the Ukrainian authorities are not successfully implementing a vaccination program.... —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  18:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Not really. Now it says that the vaccination is not going well because the citizens do not want to get vaccinated, and, in addition, there is a campaign against vaccination on the social media. Whereas in fact sources mention the government (the previous one, if I get it right)m as the main problem.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Respectfully I have to say you did not get it right, the Poroshenko administration was not pro-Russian nor is hindering vaccination in Ukraine..... Again I point out that Wikipedia should not put the blame on somebody for things that are/have happened. Currently it seems 20,000 people are vaccinated in Ukraine every day (of the 41,487,960 people living in government controlled Ukraine, according to the English Wikipedia article on Ukraine), let the reader decide if that is good or bad work by the Ukrainian government. You know this man! I got the feeling that you are just venting your personal frustration with the slow vaccination tempo in Ukraine here on Wikipedia. Which is not what Wikipedia is for!
 * PS The current Ukrainian authorities are not really controlling much Ukrainian media.... especially compared with the Poroshenko and Yanukovych administrations. (I included a source for that information in Wikipedia some time ago, but I can not find it now....) Please don't make it look on Wikipedia that the Ukrainian government is in full control of large parts of the mass media in Ukraine. Unless you have very reliable sources claiming that they have of course. The days Ukraine was comparable with Belarus are over.
 * PS2 I have been really happy with almost all of your very, very, very many edits and work on Ukrainian related Wikipedia articles Ymblanter. Sorry if I appear to be offensive, but I am merely trying to be honest. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  19:03, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I was not talking about the Poroshenko administration, which was voted out before the pandemic started. But I see indeed that we are not going anywhere, let us drop it. I am not going to start edit-warring.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 and the invasion
With the invasion of Ukraine by Russia we will probably see a worsening of the situation. We should get on with updating this page on it MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2022 (UTC)