Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Washington (state)

Fork
I've forked out an article for WA. Re: this edit, you might start adding details about WA to this page, and only adding brief summaries to the parent article. Also, if there are other trims you think would be helpful to the parent article, by all means help is appreciated. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:40, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Economic impact
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/06/coronavirus-washington-seattle-economy-businesses-amazon-microsoft/4965024002/
 * https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-ghost-town-residents-face-uncertainty-growing-coronavirus-outbreak-n1148941
 * http://komonews.com/news/local/coronavirus-concerns-making-lasting-economic-impact-in-seattle
 * https://www.geekwire.com/2020/coronavirus-will-slow-seattles-housing-market-create-sense-urgency-among-buyers/

Cutoff for school closures?
Individual private schools have closed for short periods, or longer e.g. Eastside Preparatory School through mid-April on the Eastside. Not sure if this should be mentioned here. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think school and company/office closures are worth mentioning, especially in general terms (i.e., total number of school closures) and in the context of other disruptions and economic impact. So far this article mostly focuses on cases and government response. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:54, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if public school/university closures go in the timeline or in the government response section. Right now it's a mix. - Bri.public (talk) 21:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd think the "Economic and social effects section", actually. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Single US state article?
None of provincial single dependant article is made other than origin Wuhan. Would this article be merged to 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United States? (Just proposal, I wont be engaged in merging articles) --Kyuri1449 (talk) 19:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Oppose. See related discussion at Talk:2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_the_United_States --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment for The Signpost
The Signpost is interested in the community's response to the virus crisis. If anyone here is interested in having their comments about the issue published, please contact me or ☆ Bri (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Interesting! You might post a similar invite at Talk:2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United States. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Prose
We should consider converting the bullets/timeline format into regular prose, as well as merging some of the very short date-specific subsections. This should reduce the table of contents and make the article more readable overall. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Figures by county
I have put in a table and I am willing to update it. Can someone who knows about these things reduce the table to a less cumbersome size? Arrecife (talk) 19:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this Arrecife (talk) 00:02, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I feel like this chart is too big for the top of the article. Forces unnecessary scrolling for some of the details. Any opposed to moving it to the bottom of the article? Lomanban (talk) 22:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

King County DOH has put out more up-to-date figures than WA DOH. I have included these figures, and I will revise the totals accordingly. Any other presentation would be misleading. Arrecife (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Figures by day table
This is my first time editing a Wiki page and noticed that the Washington table of cumulative cases and deaths differed substantially from what they have on their page. I did not go all the way back to their first case as there were many days where no new cases nor deaths occurred. If you check the history you will note that I was unsuccessful two previous times and then did some incremental changes. Any suggestions that would help me understand more complex edits can be sent to ronmyers45@gmail.com. I will register here when I am more adept at editing. Ron Myers 11 April 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7E0:A1B0:346C:4397:7890:9B3A (talk) 08:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I think this page would benefit from a nice table showing cases over time. I think a template would be good, but I don't know how to do one. I have the daily data if someone can help with the template. Lomanban (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be doable with Graph:Chart for example:
 * Cheers ☆ Bri (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers ☆ Bri (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Cool. Can it support 2 sets of data? Cases and deaths maybe?
 * If not we can go with this. Thanks. Lomanban (talk) 19:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay I see how to do multiple series.
 * thanks for the link. Lomanban (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. I asked at WP:EAR if we can load the data from Wikidata so the article doesn't have to be continually edited just to update the table. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the link. Lomanban (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. I asked at WP:EAR if we can load the data from Wikidata so the article doesn't have to be continually edited just to update the table. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Is there any way we can link back to the original source data for Washington State Department of Health so that the daily counts can be verified? I've been trying to trace it back on the website but I am not sure how to find it. It may be user error on my part, and if it is, I'd appreciate a pointer on how to find it. (I assume if I am asking, there may be other folks wondering, too.) Thank you for any insight anyone can offer -- and nice work on this table and on this page as a whole! Kjh7r (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * DOH doesn't appear to be keeping track of daily counts but the Internet Archive has snapshots of their tabulation since February 29 . ☆ Bri (talk) 23:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This would be good to have. Many other locations has this (New York state for example).  Dig deeper talk 01:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I scraped the archived DOH pages and saved the data here: c:Data:Bri/COVIDWA.tab. You can see it graphed automatically a couple of ways at this sandbox. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * One of my teammates contacted DOH and they provided us with a spreadsheet of the numbers they used to update the website. I now have historical daily numbers going all the way back to the first case on 21 January. We also have positive counts from 21 Jan to present and negative counts from 8 Mar to present. (The spreadsheet data ends on 19 Mar, but I've been starting to screenshot DoH site since then.) If you are interested, I'd be happy to share. Not sure what the best way to share the data would be, but the spreadsheet came direct from an email from DoH. I think it's awesome that we now have counts that can now trace back to the original source at DoH.
 * I now have all the data from 21 Jan to present day, all traceable back to DoH, here: https://github.com/kendrickhang/wa-covid-19 - if there is any way I can help load it into Wikipedia, I'd be happy to help. (I'm new to this, so I may need a pointer as to where to load/put the data.) Kjh7r (talk) 02:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend converting to JSON and landing it in the data space on Wikimedia Commons and making it known to other editors for graphing, or using the Graph package like I did in the sandbox. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You can do it with this:


 * I will share a jupyter binder when I figure out the mechanism. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * you should be able to run the converter code on your data by clicking binder here ☆ Bri (talk) 04:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree! The format in the state pages for CA and NY is excellent-- it combines a graph and table. Wcmead3 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * How easy is it to use a table like one on CA and NY pages? Our cases and death tables are getting to crammed horizontally. Sounds like Bri has got all the data we need. I also have a spreadsheet of the data - though not directly from DOH. I like the idea of including the test counts too somehow (pos and neg). Lomanban (talk) 05:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have all the original data, with every value traced back to DOH, now available online here: https://github.com/kendrickhang/wa-covid-19 Kjh7r (talk) 02:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay I made an attempt based off of the NY page template...I've not made one of these before but hopefully it's a good enough start. Template:2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_data/United_States/Washington_State_medical_cases_chart Lomanban (talk) 06:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Whichever graphics end up being used, please remember to test on mobile. Many readers access Wikipedia using devices like cellphones with different display sizes and HTML rendering than a PC or laptop. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I think it's really important to show the individual numbers of deaths per day. This is BY FAR the single most reliable signal of the spread of the disease, superior to the number of cases. The number of cases is affected by the dramatic changes in the number of tests being administered. More tests will lead to more cases. While the same is not true for deaths. Please include a table with the number of deaths, perhaps like the one in the California article on this topic. (apologies for lack of etiquette - this is my first wikipedia edit of nay kind.) Justauseryo (talk) 03:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I have all of the source data, including deaths by day, directly from WA State Dept. of Health here: https://github.com/kendrickhang/wa-covid-19 . I'm also new here so I'm not sure how to load this in somewhere, but I'm happy to help if anyone is willing to point me in the right direction. Kjh7r (talk) 02:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopkins data
Break! Just found the Johns Hopkins dataset on Github. Strongly suggest that we use this rather than rolling our own. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Here is a Jupyter binder that you can use to view the JHU 2020-03-24 dataset for Washington and convert it to json. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

4/21/2020 There should be a graph showing daily percent growth of cases and deaths. That is mathematically much more meaningful than just cases per day or deaths per day. Also I've noticed the numbers keep changing on the cases and death totals per day. Everyday there are different numbers going as far back as mid March. Why would cases reported keep getting changed that far back every day? Allinchild (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Allinchild

5/2/2020 I noticed that the "most recent 15 days" button displays appropriately if it is the only button toggled, but instead omits the most recent 15 days if it is toggled along with the other buttons. I don't know how to fix it or I would do it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.25.187.225 (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Paywalled resource
Maybe someone has a subscription or knows how to access this? I heard part of the show on-air, and they described the Everett patient as the index case in the United States. I think there was a United States Public Health Service person speaking. PHS is on the ground in Kirkland, which isn't mentioned in the article. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Evergreen Health doctors provide updates on the Coronavirus (paywalled), Michael Medved Show, March 12, 2020
 * Added US News link above ... it states that 28 uniformed PHS officers were sent to Kirkland. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject COVID-19
I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:51, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

State unemployment benefits
I haven't seen anything in the article yet about unemployment benefits (provided by Washington State Employment Security Department redlink, hint hint). This popped up today from Spokane TV: Who qualifies for Washington unemployment during COVID-19 outbreak?, could be used as a source but I don't have time right now. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

City-specific charts?
Is it possible to get city-specific charts, particularly for Seattle vs. the rest of King County? While the vast majority of Washington State cases have been in King County it would be helpful to distinguish them as Seattle vs. Non-Seattle at the very least, as King County is a lot more than Seattle. 2601:602:9C00:70B:3105:6619:EE17:2B01 (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

NY cases take lead over Washington
If the two articles have correct data right now, New York surpassed Washington on March 17 for total confirmed cases. Assuming this can be sourced, it would be a good addition to the article. - Bri.public (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , this article has NY more than double any other state as of the 17th. Doesn't specify that it overtook WA on that date though, and implies otherwise since it says on Tuesday it had 1706, which is more than WA I believe.  Schazjmd   (talk)  21:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm trying to nail it down ... Newsweek said that NY exceeded WA on March 9, but I think it was a blip ... at the first edit of March 13 (UTC), just after both states updated official totals, the Wikipedia articles said WA 366/NY 325. We will have to be careful on this one. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's CNBC saying that NY took the lead on March 13 (US date). ☆ Bri (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a good one. Schazjmd   (talk)  22:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Cases per 1,000 of population
Could we also show on the cases chart how that reflects as a per 1,000 or percentage of the population in each county? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.166.69.145 (talk) 02:11, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Recovered individuals
An anonymous editor with a revolving IPv6 address has been adding unreferenced data on recoveries and I've started using the rollback tool because it's annoying to have to explain repeatedly. This comment stands as my reasoning for using rollback. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * DoH has not ever reported recoveries and there is no reliable source for statewide recovered individuals. Pls comment if this has changed. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I check the Template of the Country's that I think some people was recovered from Covid-19 Spencer1594 (talk) 16:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem is reporting this in the state infobox gives the false impression that it is all the recoveries in the state. It is not even close because the largest counties do not report recovery. As I said above there is no source for recoveries across Washington so it should not be reported in the article. Reporting bad data is far worse than saying nothing. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Washington State Department of Health has issued no reports for over two days
The Washington DOH web page at https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus states "Please note that we have shifted our reporting process to make it more accurate, timely and complete. We are reporting confirmed cases, laboratory tests and deaths as of the previous day at 11:59 pm PT." To the contrary, they have stopped all reporting of case and death numbers for over two and a half days. The last report was 4,896 cases and 195 deaths as of March 28 (Saturday) at 11:59pm PT. What is going on? Why have they stopped reporting? I have been helping maintain the state-by-state table of cases and deaths at Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/United States medical cases but we can't produce an overall count for the nation without a report from Washington. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Taylor (talk • contribs) 20:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see they have just posted an explanation on their page: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/DelayDataPosting.pdf Mark Taylor (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, I just go to the websites of individual counties, copy the statistics to the "cases by county" table, then add them all together. I reckon I am ahead of WA DOH in tabulation of statisics! Long live wikipedia! Arrecife (talk) 05:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Mark Taylor, could you use the totals at the bottom of the Cases by County table in the state-by-state table? I have taken great care to dig up correct figures from almost every county. Arrecife (talk) 05:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess you found the Washington State health districts where the counties do not have their own department? ☆ Bri (talk) 05:58, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly! And included links in each case. Arrecife (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm using the county-by-county data from old revisions of this page as you suggested. We'll see if it stands, at least until the Washington DOH might publish revised figures for the missed days. Mark Taylor (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to improve the table so it will seem acceptable if health professionals want to use it. Arrecife (talk) 18:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I am thinking of abolishing the Recoveries column since it has become so meaningless. PS I have updated all counties in the last 15 minutes. Arrecife (talk) 16:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The recoveries column has always been a magnet for problematic edits. I'd be more than happy to see it removed. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

State DOH data is back on track – at least for now – dated less than 24 hours ago. If they can do this for a couple of days I'd recommend going back to their data for the table, vice preparing our own. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Now Recoveries is back, and just as meaningless as ever. I'll delete the column at some point, unless anybody here objects. Arrecife (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * DOH has been updating daily now for three days. It would be much preferable to use the centrally compiled data, instead of trying to compile our own. One thing DOH does is reconcile duplicated reports, e.g. a resident of one county who is treated in another county. This is impossible for us to do without individual case tracking. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But DOH still lags considerably behind. Arrecife (talk) 01:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad to see the Cases by County section has been upgraded to a template! I started it just as a simple table, but it looks ever so much classier now!Arrecife (talk) 03:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

WA DOH is goofing off again
No reports for 28 hours! I have started getting figures from the individual county sites, like I did in March. Arrecife (talk) 07:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Finally came through late this evening. Arrecife (talk) 05:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

And AGAIN! I've updated data for a few of the most affected counties...I'll do some more tomorrow. Arrecife (talk) 05:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Why did the bar graph values recently all change significantly?
Why did all the values in the bar graph chart recently change significantly? I've been copying your data into my own analysis, so this change is obvious.

Also, why do the history versions of this page not show the historical versions of that chart? The most recent version is what you get, even viewing a page version from weeks ago, It's like the chart is an embedded object, sourced elsewhere, and not maintained as part of the page history. This seems like a very unsatisfactory way of displaying history. 24.113.157.97 (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to this graph template? It has its own page and history for viewing and is transcluded to the state pandemic page. At the top of the graph box, you can see a small (V•T•E), which means, by clicking on each of them, you may View the template page, its Talk page, or Edit it. Hope this helps you navigate to view its data and history better.  Wylie pedia  @ 05:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, so I now understand how to see the old graph templates and the talk about them, thank you! I must say I never even noticed the tiny (V•T•E) before.


 * But here's the thing - if you display a historic version of the main page, you should "transclude" the corresponding vintage graph template, not the current one as you apparently are doing. Otherwise you are falsifying the history of the main page. 24.113.157.97 (talk) 22:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You can submit a bug report on that. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You can request it be reverted to a full chart at its talkpage. And, for the record it’s a colloquial “you”, as that chart is consistently updated by several people, usually anonymous ones (IPs).  Wylie pedia  @ 22:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

4/21/20 I've noticed the same thing. Everyday the case values change going back all the way into the middle of March. Why would cases reported be changing that far back?
 * (Visiting from New Zealand) Is the State DoH reclassifying figures, or are we suffering ill-judged edits by new users? Buckshot06 (talk) 23:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Percent Daily Cases and Deaths
4/21/2020 There should be a graph showing daily percent growth of cases and deaths. That is mathematically much more meaningful than just cases per day or deaths per day. Allinchild (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)





COVID-19 pandemic in Seattle
Hi Wikipedians from Seattle, So the largest city in the state of Washington is Seattle. I hope anyone will create article titled COVID-19 pandemic in Seattle, The proposed article will be titled as COVID-19 pandemic in Seattle will be focused on the pandemic specifically within the city of Seattle, Washington. The propose article will include how many active cases, how many deaths, how many recoveries and how many overall cases within the city of Seattle. I will by happy for anyone's reply for the requested article to created and will be only focused on the city of Seattle. Thanks for your time. Come back some other time. See yopu later. 2001:569:74D2:A800:597:7665:7DAB:5D7F (talk) 03:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While editors may be able to do this at some point, Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit - Anyone can edit. Some of the rules may be tiresome, but are focused on wikipedia's WP:PILLARS, notably WP:RELIABLE sources. Please feel free to take a look at these guidance and rules pages, and if you would like some assistance setting the page up, come to my talkpage. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Lethality by age?
Anyone willing to add a table like Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Italy medical cases based on data at https://www.doh.wa.gov/emergencies/coronavirus? Ain92 (talk) 23:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Image wrap broken
As of 2020-08-18, the edit by Elliot321 on 2020-08-07 that adds the  template broke image wrapping in the article. Balta katei  22:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)