Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland/Archive 2

Hosp/ICU/Ventilated?
Hey Edl-irishboy, Hosp/ICU/Ventilated 8pm report is being published very late recently (often next day). Propose we switch to afternoon figure for hosp ICU as this is published everyday around the same time as daily numbers. Available from: gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/ or covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing. Think we can ONLY get ventilated number from pdf but at least Hosp ICU will be updated earlier with rest of numbers. Better than lagging to next day ...or you/me keeping checking if published 10-11pm+. Can back date the 24hr change to same time previous day too (so measure daily change correctly). What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.197.71 (talk) 17:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed. NPHET publishes their statements that includes hosp/icu (total & active) figures when daily numbers are released. I prefer using this and the Data Hub rather than waiting all night for the HSE releases. I tend to use the data hub more often as it shows the latest hosp/icu figures that are updated 11am and 7:30pm daily – the NPHET statements are also very useful that shows the figures from 2pm. There is just one slight issue, what times do we update the active hosp/icu figures now? As I'm always the earliest one to update daily figures, I think we should use the NPHET statement figures from 2pm. In regards ventilator cases, I also can't find any other sources that show the figures other than the HSE releases. And thanks for fixing up the vaccinations in infobox. I only just saw that they added the vaccination figures in the datahub now. Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah i think gov.ie (dept health) statement at 6pm-ish is the best source for this as its always clearly 2pm. Datahub updates few times a day at diff times (8am, 11am? 2pm, 7.30pm, 8pm?) & no way to tell what you seeing to compare to previous day so for this reason think 2pm number from evening briefing dept of health at gov.ie is best. We'll have to wait for other pdf for ventilated ...same as now 51.171.197.71 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright grand. i'll update the hosp/icu along with daily figure so. Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

1st Jan breaking graphs
Not sure whats going on here. Tried to fix a few times and looks ok in the preview but then when publish its broken and have to undo.


 * Yeah. It's so annoying. The graphs are breaking because we're now in a new year. This needs to be fixed, but I don't know how to...... Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah i'm playing around with it here but cant get it yet. Leave it with me
 * Alright grand
 * Taking out xtype=date seems to fix it (but messes up x axis)
 * I'm stuck. Just took 1st of jan out of main page graphs till we figure out. Still there in the dailys etc. Tryng to find another country with same fromat to us.. or go thru documentation...

OK I think i've cracked it. Adding year seems to fix etc
 * 30 Dec 20,
 * 31 Dec 20,
 * 1 Jan 21

Implemented in main page and seems to be ok now. Seems to be working (after i fixed a copy paste error from deaths graph). Seems to be coming up as just 2021 which is obv Jan assume FEB will show as normal when we get there. Might do quick test here

yeah looks ok

A very well done to you for fixing this. Thank you. I noticed that we might be the only COVID-19 page that has this kind of graph/chart. Most of the Europe COVID-19 countries have the different one. Again, thanks for fixing the graphs. Edl-irishboy (talk) 21:29, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah figured this would probably do it but looked around for ages to try to figure out how to do it without editing 10months of days individually. Finally tried with a few saw it worked & managed to automate edits with few online tools/steps. Didnt fancy doing 300-ish by hand!
 * This might sound annoying but the clusters graph also needs to be changed into the 2021 thingy.. because the latest data today is 1/1/21.

Edl-irishboy (talk) 21:58, 1 January 2021 (UTC) Never mind, I saw that you fixed it already.
 * Now for my next trick...

Um, for some god damn reason the daily new confirmed cases graph is not recording today's increase in cases (3,394), even though I have the case and daily average put in and everything. Instead, the points are leading downwards and it looks like the daily cases are decreasing, which is obviously not - it increased a lot today. I removed the 7-day moving average of cases to see clearer, and yes, the graph is not recording today's increase in cases. Why is that doing that? Do you know? How to fix? Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Weird. Let me have a look... 51.171.196.6 (talk) 20:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * OK looks like we out of sync. 2 extra days in the data. must have happened with date format fix. I've just put in 4th Jan for now to fix. Will go back and try to find where we (me?) went wrong but may take a min
 * Right. Sorted. I somehow lost a couple of the dates from March in all my copy, paste, transform, format, copy, paste, transform steps to add years. Left 3rd & 4th Jan there for you. Can just fill in numbers next couple of days & should be grand. Will keep an eye on it next few days. Sorry, was a bit late checking in today ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.6 (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for fixing issues.

It seems that "31 Dec 20" is being interpreted as 20 December 2031. Have you tried using 4-digit years? It seems to work as I try:

At least it seems to come out fine in preview - I'll see whether it still comes out fine when I save.... — Smjg (talk) 14:12, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Somebody has reverted the years to 2 digits. I was puzzled that this doesn't seem to have caused the graphs to break again. There must have been some kind of software update in the last 18 hours that changed the way dates are parsed. Still, I wonder if we can rely on it to stay this way. — Smjg (talk) 12:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm confused because the graph(s) looks fine to me and I don't see any problems with it.... 2031?? Where are you getting that from? I think it was 51.171.196 that reverted the years to 2 digits. Does it matter if it's 2 digits and 4 digits? Edl-irishboy (talk) 13:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah short year format is fine (ie 1 Jan 20). Has been since implemented it in new year. Dont need 2020, 2021 & it was making the page a good bit bigger unnecessarily... so i reverted back. As for the preview - it doesnt work because of "xType=date" if u want to preview remove it but be sure to replace before publish or x-axis gets messed up. 51.171.196.131 (talk) 16:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The short year is not fine at all. Have you looked at this in Firefox? https://ibb.co/CMm18CZ --Marlyno (talk) 21:50, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm confused by what you're saying. From your messages on 1 Jan in this discussion, it looks like you were acknowledging that there were problems at the time. — Smjg (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * When was that screenshot captured? Furthermore, the browser has nothing to do with it.  The graphs are images generated by server-side software.  If you're still seeing issues now, have you tried clearing your browser cache? — Smjg (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Even today I see this issue. I created a brand new FF profile, and it still shows the broken graph. But it works for me in Chrome. I would have expected the image to be generated server-side, just that's not what I'm seeing. --Marlyno (talk) 14:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you look at the first few graphs on the statistics section on this revision at 18:58 on 1 January, you will see that the graphs were breaking because it was the start of the new year of 2021. @51.171.196.131 also acknowledged that there were problems, and fixed the graphs by adding the years to the graphs, i.e. 2020 / 2021 - shown on this revision. Right now, myself and 51.171.196.131 don't see anything wrong with any graphs, which I'm confused about because you said the graphs still have issues, by replying on this section " "31 Dec 20" is being interpreted as 20 December 2031 "....... Again, I don't see anything wrong with the graphs, and certainly don't see a 2031 figure.... Oh goodness gracious, I've just seen @Marlyno's screenshot and I am gobsmacked...... This is strange. The graphs looks perfectly fine for me → see my screenshot: https://ibb.co/HhWtXYX Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * We need to distinguish carefully between (a) the different versions of the way the dates are coded into the graphs and (b) the different times at which the software was behaving differently.
 * There are three versions of (a): with no years, with two-digit years and with four-digit years.
 * The original issue, when the year started, was that the graphs didn't render correctly because the years weren't specified. The edit you have linked to added 2-digit years, not 4-digit years.  At the time, these were not being parsed correctly, and so anomalies occurred as per Marlyno's screenshot.  What I was saying is that, when I changed the graphs to 4-digit years, the problem went away.
 * However, bringing us to (b), something then changed in the software, meaning we can no longer see the problems that 2-digit years were causing before.
 * To summarise:


 * At least this is how I was seeing it.
 * All this said, it looks like I was wrong about the graphs being generated server-side. Each graph is a element, which seems to be graphics generated client-side using JavaScript.  So maybe it is a browser issue after all.  But I too use Firefox.  Maybe my browser updated itself overnight.  My current version is 84.0.2.   Does this match with yours?
 * On balance, if some people are still seeing the graphs messed up, I'm inclined to say we should reinstate 4-digit years to make sure they appear correctly for everybody. I can't see that the relatively small size increase (1.6%) outweighs this benefit. — Smjg (talk) 17:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * FF ESR here: 78.5.0esr (64-bit), on Linux --Marlyno (talk) 17:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is interesting. I also use firefox but never saw a problem. For me:


 * As soon as i tried adding in short year (ie 20, 21) on 1st or 2nd of jan it worked so i implemented in main page & it was fine for me & Edl-irishboy confirmed same. I know the preview works slightly differently. Cant really remember what the issue was but think preview is canvas element rendered client side in javscript then when publish goes to server side & is rendered differently. xType=date used to break preview but seems to be ok now maybe software update fixed this? Either way i've tried firefox, chrome & miscrosoft edge & cant reproduce issue. Can anybody reproduce issue currently? Could it have possibly been a typo? The 2031 thing makes me think maybe someone accidentally typo 2031 instead of 2021. 51.171.196.131 (talk) 18:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please try the ESR (aka ancient) version of firefox --Marlyno (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @Marlyno Is that the Long term support version on linux? Which distro you run? Do you know what firefox version is LTS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.131 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * it's not related to my distro. The current ESR version is 78: Firefox_version_history --Marlyno (talk) 23:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Canvas is used both in preview and on the live page. I'm not sure why they sometimes render differently, but would guess there must be some hidden variable that has an unexpected side effect.  Firefox has an 'Inspect Element' command, which shows the HTML structure (reflecting any DOM changes made by JS) at the element you right-clicked on. — Smjg (talk) 20:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Confirmed that the problem still occurs under Firefox 78.6.1esr (which is installed on my work computer). I've reinstated the 4-digit years to avoid the issue.  Let's keep it this way. — Smjg (talk) 12:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.84.181 (talk) 17:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Think we can remove the "dont revert to 2 digit years" comment now. I reverted it before & i wont do it again now aware of issue. Think everyone else will have seen the comment by now so probably dont need it anymore... I'll remove it bit by bit as doing other updates over next few days. 86.44.84.181 (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Red arrows in info box
Hi. Wanted to get people thoughts on the red arrows in the info box. Does it make sense to have the red arrow beside accumulated values like total deaths, total hospital admission, total confirmed cases ect. These numbers can never go down, only up, so does it make sense to have the arrow?

Makes sense for current numbers and is a good indicator. Bpb101 (talk) 01:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya might have a point here alright. Could probably remove. 51.171.197.234 (talk) 18:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I have removed the arrows. Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

NPHET statement statistics
It seems like the NPHET's statements with all detailed figures on hosp/icu/clusters/gender profile/age profile, etc. are not published along with cases/deaths anymore, and is replaced with a note → "All other data is available on the COVID-19 Dashboard."....... It's been three days since the last release and I've been using the DataHub ever since. For now, I'll be using the datahub. For the age profile and gender profile bar charts I had to remove the 75–84 and 85+ ages on both the cases and hospitalisations as the datahub doesn't show it and instead shows 65+. I don't know why they don't release the details stats on their statements anymore..... Maybe they will in the coming days, but for now I'll have to use the datahub. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems bizarre the longer this goes on the less info we are getting. Not sure why they taking this away. Think this info breakdown is available in one of the pdfs. Let me have a look and see what i can find... 51.171.197.71 (talk) 22:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * OK found this in the weekly report: "Due to the large volume of COVID-19 cases in the past two weeks, the availability of surveillance data on cases is limited. Therefore some data in this report is incomplete. At the end of Week 53 a significant number of cases were awaiting processing, as a result the number of cases reported in Week 53 are reduced and the number of cases reported in Week 1 are inflated. " from here: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%201_%20Slidset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf so hoefully we will get this info back once they catch up (& numbers fall a bit). There is a weekly breakdown including 85+, 75-85 etc. Can add this on once a week manually similar to deaths (see page 8 in pdf linked above). Think it might be worth doing as the 75-85 & 85+ are very important age groups for risk of death. Last one 11th so next one 18th. Also https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210115.pdf has similar info for hospitilased but its only every 14days — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.197.71 (talk) 22:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand why they don't release the stats anymore...Thanks for finding that. Okay, I'll have a look at the pdfs. Edl-irishboy (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

18th Jan (from here: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%202_%20Slidset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf)

Age Cases Percent -
 * 0-4 yrs 507 2.0
 * 5-12 yrs 801  3.2
 * 13-18 yrs 1,403  5.6
 * 19-24 yrs 2,743  10.9
 * 25-34 yrs 4,306  17.1
 * 35-44 yrs 4,168  16.5
 * 45-54 yrs 4,146  16.5
 * 55-64 yrs 3,247  12.9
 * 65-74 yrs 1,597  6.3
 * 75-84 yrs 1,288  5.1
 * 85+ yrs 955  3.8
 * Unknown 30  0.1

from 11 jan
 * |label8 = 65–74   |data8 = 8,789     |comment8 = 5.8%
 * |label9 = 75–84   |data9 = 6,235     |comment9 = 4%
 * |label10 = 85+    |data10= 4,781     |comment10= 3.14%

OK this is where we are with latest weekly data for 65-74, 75-84 & 85+ years added back in.

Implemented this into the main page. Should we maybe leave this till next weekly update? Rather than going back to just 65+ every day? 51.171.197.234 (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ya let's leave it until the next weekly update. Keep an eye out. Edl-irishboy (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Grand i'll keep an eye out for it next week. Should be out every Tues or Wed. 51.171.197.234 (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Vaccination
Rejigged vaccine a bit from: https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/ "Vaccination Headline Figures "Vaccine figures are provided by HSE and will be regularly updated. Reckon we should use this as the source going forward — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.197.71 (talk) 20:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Vaccine Data Last Updated : 1/13/2021
 * Total Vaccines Administered (1st Dose): 77,303 "
 * I'm working on changing the citation to the datahub now. Leave it to me. Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah grand. Try to keep some sort of note on "Doses Administered (Total)" or something similar so as to avoid confusion as to people vaccinated, 1st dose, 2nd dose etc. I also stuck in info on doses per 100 people (ireland actually seems to be doing ok on this measure compared to some of our EU neighbours) useful to compare to UK, Israel, USA etc 51.171.197.71 (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated main page from https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-tracker-ireland-vaccinates-close-to-2-of-population-against-covid-19-1066747.html. I'm sure it'll be on the datahub soon. Made a bit of a mees of the refs (i'm not very good with the ol citations). Also from same news article: "New figures show that 94,000 people have received a Covid-19 vaccine dose in the Republic. Some 71,000 doses have been administered to frontline healthcare workers and a further 23,000 to residents or staff of long-term residential facilities." wonder should we put this in paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.84.181 (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Edl-irishboy (talk) 01:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

References (source citation) is a bit of a mess here. How are we supposed to update date & access date etc on "totalvaccine" ref for datahub in infobox & vaccine section without it changing date on older refs? I'm not really sure what to do here. Perhaps could define ref in infobox at top of page and can then cite it with diff dates in vaccine section. Would that work? Or does each update need its own ref? Not really sure whats best here. 51.171.197.234 (talk) 17:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What we can do is we can link the datahub ref to the infobox vaccination figure, and the table on the Vaccines section with news sources. I will then add the "date" and "accessdate" parameters in the datahub ref. The datahub ref is like the testing ref. It has no date or accessdate. The additional refs on the Vaccines table is just there for extra "info" I guess. I see that you removed the extra refs on the table... I also see that you removed the "notes" on the recent vaccine figures for 17 and 20 Jan which mentions how many doses were administered to healthcare workers and in nursing home facilities.............. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So "totalvaccine" should have no dates and just have date in infobox as text to be updated manually? Where does "totalvaccine" get defined because this did have dates (17th & 19th) i think. There we 4 references for the latest figure ...and dates were a mess so i tried to tidy up a bit. I take your point about breakdown of doses between health worker & nursing homes (might see if i can restore that). Someone else was editing this too around same time too. I had put in tweet from stephen donnelly as source then after i published someone else put in RTE & another one. Was trying to simplify a bit but maybe more refs better if they have extra info. 51.171.197.234 (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If we agree to only put the "totalvaccine" ref in infobox, then the date and accessdate parameters can be restored. The vaccination table in Vaccines section will then only show news sources from RTÉ, TheJournal.ie, etc. I agree that if there's 3 / 4 refs together, it looks kind of messy, but I can solve this by putting all 3 refs into 1 ref only. In terms of the small "note" I added to the table, I'm trying to make it as an actual note not a ref, and put it beside the actual number of vaccinations carried out for the past two figures (as they show the number of healthcare/nursing home figures). Yes, when you were adding the new vaccination figure yesterday, I was adding the new figure with refs as well. I tend to always use RTÉ, TheJournal.ie, The Irish Times, Irish Examiner and Irish Mirror as refs for all the edits I make. I hardly ever use Twitter - I only use it for stuff that isn't published on the news. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enuff. Only used stephen donellys tweet as that was the one i saw first & was the source all news articles were quoting. Generally not a fan of twwets as source myself (unless its a verified member of the govt). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.189 (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So are we agreeing to change the ref infobox to datahub? Because the ref is still RTÉ News. Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah grand. No objections here. Hopefully datahub will be updated as quickly as statements in press going forward... 51.171.196.189 (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Graph issues & lack of data
The clusters-related cases bit (orange) on the clusters graph seems to be outdated now - because of the disappearance of NPHET statements. I'm just wondering should I remove this bit entirely (not the entire graph) or keep adding commas until the statements are back, which I'd say will be a long time tbh. What do you think? Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure where you source info for this graph from but have you seen weekly cluster reports here: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week022021_v1.0_18012021_WebVersion.pdf Maybe once a week would do? ...or i've no real objections if u just wanna just remove it. 51.171.196.189 (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I get this info and data from the NPHET statements published each evening but because they don't release figures anymore, I have to use the DataHub. Although, there's clusters info on the datahub, it doesn't show figures for "Clusters-related cases". I'll put this graph here for now - for future reference and if the statements come back - but for now, I'll remove the clusters-related cases (orange) part of the graph, leaving the "clusters notified" part as it is. It's the same graph as seen on the DataHub - with different colours obv. Edl-irishboy (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Healthcare figures graph
I'm also finding that the healthcare figures on the first graph with totals (yellow bit) is rising sharply "unexpectedly"... Because NPHET's statements with data aren't published anymore, I've been using the datahub for all of the statistics and I'm finding that the healthcare figures are rising. I'm just wondering if this figure is genuine as the graph looks off with the healthcare figures rising.... I know that hospitals are under pressure nationally but are more healthcare workers testing positive this third wave? Back in the summer months, I've used the datahub for healthcare figures before because NPHET didn't release their data, and I also found that the healthcare figures on datahub were rising.... and when NPHET eventually released their data, the healthcare figure was much, much lower than the one on datahub. I'm afraid now when NPHET finally decides to release their data, the healthcare figure will be down a lot - and the graph will look very off as the figure will go up and down. Quite confused. Edl-irishboy (talk) 14:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The "Healthcare Worker" cases in the 1st graph (22,184 on datahub)? Think these figure are probably correct as health worker cases have been 10-20% cases for most of the pandemic (maybe was a bit higher at the start and a bit lower now with PPE and better hosp/ward procedures in place). So i would expect the yellow line to follow big recent peak in third wave cases proportionally. BTW: I filled in a few of these numbers last week as we seemed to be bit behind. Not seen NPHET lower figures. Where/when was that published? What was their number? Think we should probably stick with datahub figure for time being. I've had a look in few of the pdfs and showing 5,103 cases in last 14days which seems about right to match datahub. 51.171.196.189 (talk) 22:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok grand so . Must be me mistaken. Edl-irishboy (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Warning: Template include size is too large.
Our article has too many templates, hence why references/sources/citations are not able to be viewed anymore. I have tried removing unnecessary templates from the "Cases" table section but the ref list still does not show up. This needs to be fixed because we can't see any refs if we add them to the page. — Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. Just doing a bit of research on template limits. What does this mean? Do we need to trim the page down a bit or split again maybe? Is the problem too many refs/citations on page. Maybe could remove some of the older ones? What about removing cluster graph as discussed the other day? Can we just use 1 ref for all vaccine and testing update (datahub)? ...Having done a bit of reading on templates I dont really understand what the problem is. Maybe need a wikipedia experts help. Surely ours isnt the biggest page on wiki. What do other large complicated pages do to solve this issue? 51.171.196.139 (talk) 19:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think refs the problem. It's just that there's too many templates on the page. I've been looking into this and I figured out how to get the reflist and references back. However if you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll see that the templates aren't showing up, i.e. they only show brackets. And if you go to edit preview, you'll see there's a little warning saying that theres too many templates on the page. I don't know how to fix this so we'll maybe need experts to fix this..... Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Trying removing cluster & pie chart to try & fix template problem with refs (seems ok in preview)... just going to try publish to see if works. Just put them here for now can add back in if doesnt work. Seems like more 400ish refs is the limit. Maybe can go thru and purge a few older ones (400+ seems like a lot alright) but dont know if this would fix. Suspect we have too many (or too big?) graphs/charts. From my reading up on this template is anything in (ie sidebox) 51.171.196.139 (talk) 23:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That (above) seemed to work. Refs showing up now. Also was looking at the large table of cases here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Cases which is listed as a template & is quite big ...with a lot of refs & notes too. Maybe we could trim this (see a few entries have 2 refs) or remove it altogether as not very complete (or up to date) with current cases/numbers? 51.171.196.139 (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I really don't think there's a refs limit, because I've seen many pages that have over 500 refs in one article! That's literally crazy! I think removing the two above graphs didn't help and I'm pretty sure the problem is because of the "Cases" section table you mentioned above. There's way too much info and notes and stuff on that section and I'm planning on moving that entire section to the "Main article/template" which is Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Republic of Ireland medical cases. I'll implement the change now to see if it fixes this template limit issue......... No, removing the table on Cases section did not fix this issue. Seems like we're not the only COVID-19 page that is suffering from this issue. Take a look at this:, many COVID articles are also suffering from this. Edl-irishboy (talk) 00:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I dunno. Had a look at a few of the other country pages u linked to & they dont seem to be discussing issue or how to solve. From UK talk page: "The timeline on this page is in a weird place at the moment, where it is long enough to dominate the page, but still much shorter (and in a better, prose style) than the granular "timeline of the covid-19 pandemic in the UK" article series. It's at the point where I would consider spinning it off into its own History of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom-type article, and leaving an abbreviated version here, although I hesitate to do that because we already have the timeline articles." ...but think this is just that their timeline is getting a bit big/unwieldy. Think we might need help from the big wigs in Wikipedia HQ. Is there a way to ask for help from someone further up the wiki hierarchy. Put a request in to the brain trust in head office for a dig out? 51.171.196.139 (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya no, that above disclaimer you mentioned isn't anything to do with the template issue. I've had a look on how to contact Wikipedia (admins) and I came across this page and it states that Wiki doesn't have a HQ. The way to contact admins is to go to the Teahouse or Help desk - as mentioned on Contact us. If we can't fix this issue ourselves, I think we should just leave it. There are two significant templates that isn't loading in because of the issue:


 * and


 * . We've tried every possible thing to fix this but we couldn't. I removed the entire table with cramped notes and refs on the "Cases" section and that didn't solve the issue. You have removed the two graphs from Statistics which also didn't fix the issue. I think it's time for one of us to ask for help. Because removing the two graphs (graphs shown above) didn't solve it, should we add the two graphs back in? Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I think the limit in on the total amount of translated bytes. The COVID-19 pandemic is enormous so it swallows most of the limit. If you remove it the COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland should display. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 20:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help Blue-Haired Lawyer but not sure i fully understand you. Where is COVID-19 pandemic? I've looked on our page and in source & cannot find it? I notice we have 3 templates in the timeline "Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland (January–June 2020), Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland (July–December 2020), and Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland (2021)". Could/Should we remove one... or consolidate them? Would this help? Also... found this in main covid page:

* Ireland ** timeline *** January–June 2020 *** July–December 2020 *** 2021 ** economic impact ** social impact
 * Seems we got a lot more here than most other countries. 51.171.196.139 (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

It's at the bottom of the page below external links. I've commented in out for now. To illustrate the error, I've copied this page to my userspace and moved the COVID-19 pandemic template to the top. You can see that the template give up at the 254th footnote. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 12:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for fixing this template issue @Blue-Haired Lawyer! Edl-irishboy (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah good job @Blue-Haired Lawyer! Cheers. 51.171.196.139 (talk) 17:06, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No trouble! Keep you the good work on the article. The main reason is article had problems is that it's so well cited. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 18:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I have noticed the template limit issue is back again just after 24 hours since it was solved... From my understanding, @Bygmester re-added the table that I removed on the "Cases" section. I believe that this table should be moved to the Main article that I transferred it to initially again. This table is way too cramped, too small to even read it, includes many refs and notes. This table suits to be transferred to the main article. Edl-irishboy (talk) 09:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Do it. Was just doing few updates and noticed template issue was back too.. I did vaccine numbers update but refs/citation may need bit of a tidy up. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.139 (talk) 17:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will. Done. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have removed the cases table again and now the template issue is gone. That table must not be re-added back in or the template issue will occur once again. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

First dose vaccine error by NPHET (08/02/21)
In a statement by NPHET today, it shows that as of 5 Feb, 151,212 people have received their first dose. However, the dashboard shows 152,200. NPHET's statement is clearly wrong as there's a fewer number of first doses, and Ronan Glynn (Deputy CMO) confirmed this error in their COVID-19 briefing today. So, i don't know what to do now because I have added to the table the fewer number of doses. Should I remove it and leave it blank? Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Dashboard at https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/ currently showing 151,212 (& 79,554 2nd Dose). Yeah this is a bit messy now alright if number goes down... but i didnt see a 'real' number was for 3rd feb reported anywhere? If change it to 151,212 then totals change (& dont add up). Maybe just leave it... with a note perhaps. Otherwise have to rework the other numbers to get it to equal reported total (& 2nd dose). Not sure whats best here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.153 (talk) 21:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like the dashboard updated the first dose figures. It's very strange right now because the other day it was at 152,200, now it's at 151,212. I think we should leave it or with a note. If I add the note what should I say on it? And where/how do you get the dose per 100 person figures for vaccines? Edl-irishboy (talk) 22:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The dashboard has a new vaccinations section now. It has a lot of detailed statistics on administered figures, first and second doses, total numbers, cohorts and vaccine types. It would be good if we have bar charts/graphs using these statistics from dashboard on the vaccines section. I tried to add a new chart for "Total Vaccines Administered by Vaccine Type", but I don't know why that failed on me. I'm gonna keep trying though. As total figures are now released daily, should we change the table graph on vaccines section to weekly figures, like the testing table. I don't know about the vaccine graph though. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah not sure about the note (maybe something about this figure possibly being incorrect & subsequently being revised downwards). As for the dose per 100 people I just divide population (from worldometer) by doses administered. I've seen it reported slightly differently in diff places depending which population number used but all in same ball park (ie 4.63, 4.64, 4.67). If u wanna post new table layout here... we can try to get it working then slap it into main page. As for vaccine graph. Yeah weekly probably makes sense going forward. I'll tidy it up a bit now in a min... 51.171.196.153 (talk) 18:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Should we still update the total vaccinated number in infobox daily? And update the total vaccinated on "Vaccines" section weekly (7 days – like testing figures)? I'm having trouble making a graph for "Total Vaccines Administered by Vaccine Type". (See new vaccine section on datahub to see the chart if you don't understand what the graph is.) I don't think the vaccines section needs tidying up.... I think we should leave the figures there and from tomorrow onwards, we'll wait 7 days and update the vaccine figure then. What do you think? Oh never mind, I see you already tidied up. I also need to update the 14-day incidence rate map in infobox now..... Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah i reckon we should try keep the number in the infobox as up to date as possible (hopefully published/updated daily) going forward. I'm not 100% sure what u mean by vaccine breakdown. Like graph above? With moderna? Or a breakdown of the various cohorts? Not sure how useful this is aa categories are a bit of a mess (not clear age or care home/hosp staff?). I'd say as time goes on this is just going to get more & more complicated as more vaccines come onstream and diff groups/ages are called ....we may just be making a rod for our own backs! Think total doses & 2nd dose is probably good enough. Can always put in notes about "100% of over 85yr olds" vaccinated if and when that type of thing is announced. Or all health workers had 2 doses etc. Dunno if we'll get that as there will always be a few missed or refuse vaccine (small % hopefully).

Also did you notice hosp icu figure in evening briefing seems to be 8am now last couple of days. I did the maths from previous 8am figure yday then re-did it with 2pm number later when it was released in 10pm pdf but back to 8am today. May have to change again. To 8am published at 6pm-ish or 8pm published at 10pm-ish (like we did before). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.153 (talk) 19:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya I think we should just leave the vaccine graphs alone for now. Quite confused about the hosp/icu figures. So should I still update the figures using the NPHET statements released daily? Edl-irishboy (talk) 09:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like its 8am again today. Seems to be the new standard. Yeah suppose u should keep updating it from evening statement (just hope it doesnt keep changing time used). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.153 (talk) 18:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok grand.

Need to stop travel abroad for holidays
Government concern as 5,200 Irish people return from holidays abroad in one week (at Dublin airport)

A total of 8,218 were Irish residents and of those 5,241 stated that they were returning from a holiday or visit abroad.

... warned that non-essential overseas travel is a breach of Level 5 Covid-19 restrictions and added it was: “important that everyone understands and respects that.” https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-concern-as-5-200-irish-people-return-from-holidays-abroad-in-one-week-1.4481242 Peter K Burian (talk) 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Cabinet may increase fine for non-essential travel abroad to €2,000, says Martin

No significant economic reopening after March 5th, Taoiseach tells Dáil about 4 hours ago https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/cabinet-may-increase-fine-for-non-essential-travel-abroad-to-2-000-says-martin-1.4481143 Peter K Burian (talk) 18:16, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ........................All COVID-19 related news and announcements are on the Timeline article. Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

New vaccination programme article?
Hello. As we now have effective and safe vaccines and a programme in place since December 2020 in Ireland, I think it's time that we start a new page "COVID-19 vaccination in the Republic of Ireland". It's never to late to start this page. Like many other countries, they also have a sub-article for their vaccination programme and for other announcements and statistics. Here are a list of countries that have a vaccine page: If agreed, I will start our vaccination article. Like many countries, in our article, we'll have statistics on vaccines on order, doses administered and so much more. The priority group, phases and progresses will also be on the page.
 * UK
 * Bulgaria
 * Italy
 * India
 * Israel
 * Sweden
 * Phillipines
 * Romania

I'm happy to start the page if you're happy. Thanks. Edl-irishboy (talk) 11:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I've decided to make the article. I've worked on this article the whole day today. Hope it's fine and looks ok. Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Nice work. Looks good. I've slightly tidied up/simplified small (weekly-ish) graph on main page. Can leave the other more detailed ones on main vaccine page. Think it makes sense to show doses xAxis in thousands... as we get over million doses Axis labels get very wide. Played around with adding other one u made too but probably going to get big quick (if updated every day or 2). Title may be a bit confusing BTW as looks like 240k dose PER DAY but that is the total ...the daily number is probably a couple of thousand but i see what you going for (Total with Daily Numbers or something like that). Think people will get it 51.171.197.159 (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually just having a look at new vaccine page & think we can probably remove 1st (weekly-ish) graph & just leave the second one you made (with daily updates) as much more complete & no info in 1st graph that isnt in second. Maybe just leave other small one on main page (as daily one will get very big/wide soon). Or i can tidy up 1st graph ...like on the main page? What do you think? 51.171.197.159 (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya i know its gonna get big very quick but it looks better with the two graphs on the main vaccine page as it shows weekly and daily. The style and design of the second daily graph was from the UK vaccine page. The Uk has millions of vaccines administered and they dont change to doses in thousands/millions. I see you changed around the vaccine weekly table main and vaccine page. Are we gonna update the vaccine table on 17th Feb or 19th Feb as there's a two-day lag for vaccines, as explained on the datahub vaccine section. Like before you changed the table, it showed 6th Feb. and today is 7 days after that day. I didnt want to update it because theres a two day lag. But now you changed the table to make it 10th Feb. The first vaccine graph you made on the main page looks good now. Before, I rearranged the graph and it looked weird because the first dose (I think) went down and it went up again or something like that. . Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah ok take your point about width of graph doesnt really matter for now on vaccine page as 700px wide. But after month or 2 of daily updates gonna be very congested. As for main page lets update table & graph weekly on 10th 17th, 24th, etc going forward (should be every Sat). Date of info is usually 3 days behind so update published today was for 10th (which is what i've used for table & graph) pretty sure this is what we were doing for all previous dates/numbers. I'll fix vaccine weekly graph to match main page. Then can easily update one and copy to the other every week (Sat) going forward. did you see my question about "per day" title in 2nd graph. Maybe needs to be reworded to "Doses Administered Total & 2nd Dose (updated daily)" or something. Bit confusing now as could be read as 240k doses on 10th, 220k doses on 9th, etc. 51.171.197.159 (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I'll update the vaccine figures every Saturday from now on. I'll reword the per day graph to "Total Doses Administered & 2nd Dose (updated daily)". Edl-irishboy (talk) 22:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Added "Doses per day" chart to vaccine page. 51.171.197.159 (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have left a message on the vaccine talk page. Future discussions on graphs related to vaccines will be on the vaccine page's talk page. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Removal of active cases & recoveries on graph
Should we remove the active cases and recoveries figures on this graph? Looks like it's not gonna be updated in a long, long time. The two is also getting hard to see. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I would say yes. They are nice to have but don’t exist. I think a question was asked a long time ago what was the number of active cases in the country and prof nolan said it was considered the sum of the total number of positive cases in the last14 days. Dont think i would be able to find a reference for this as it was said halfway through a daily briefing several months ago. But if we could get this on record, would it be worth having on the wiki? Bpb101 (talk) 11:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I just calculated the sum of cases in the last 14 days and it was at 12,000+...... Do you think that's the active case figure? As there's no reliable source for this, I don't think there's a point of having it on the page. Worldometer's active case formula is Total cases minus Total deaths minus Recoveries, but we don't have a recovered figure..... And Ireland's recoveries figure on worldometer is still at 23,000, which means roughly we have 173,000 active cases, which is clearly wrong. I have removed the active cases and recoveries from the graph, as there's no point of putting it there anymore. Edl-irishboy (talk) 14:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah recoveries is still a mess. I think 2 weeks is a bit simplified as people in Hosp/ICU can be there for months. So taking them out of active after 14 days would be wrong as if they are in ICU they are obviously still "active" (ie not recovered yet). Think removing these from graph is probably best option as no up to date figure available. 51.171.197.53 (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hosp ICU graph
Are we just gonna leave this graph as it is or what? I think this graph needs immediate change as it's getting hard to read and understand. I know we spoke about this in January but we didn't come up with a solution........

I have also left a message on vaccine talk page. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean. Graph is improving (numbers falling) & is unlikely to go any higher now vaccines rolling out. Think we're past the worst of it now. ICU & ventilated should continue to fall slowly (with a lag). What do you propose? Suppose we could split it... but it didnt look great when tried that before (see above).

or:

Splitting like this adds a quite a lot to page size (ie all dates for graph again). BTW: i saw the 'template size too big error' again yday or day before. Source gets quite a bit bigger. PS. Dont see anything new on vaccine talk page??? 51.171.196.77 (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply.... There's nothing wrong with any of the graph's data. What I meant was the graph looks a bit big and hard to read because hospital numbers were going up during the third spike. What I mean now is the purple, green, blue and red figures are a bit hard to read because it's small on the graph. Oh did the template limit issue come back? I didn't realise.. is it gone now? It was because i added new tables on the day when Taoiseach addressed the nation (23 Feb). I'm planning on to removing the original "Living with COVID" plan and replacing it with the same thing but as an image, because that entire template is taking a lot of space. I don't think splitting the graphs will take up a lot of space.. If it does, I dont know what to do then. But do you agree that the current graph is a bit "hard to read/understand"? I mean, the only thing I really can understand is the hospital current (yellow) bit because it's just massive. Could we put the current hosp bit to the "Cumulative hospitalisations & icu totals" graph? Would that make sense? Edl-irishboy (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah no worries. I'm a bit busy myself at the moment. I'll try to have a look at this again next week but i think its probably ok. Can see the green & red lines going down (slowly). I'd be inclined to leave it as is as people have gotten used to how it is displayed & if change it now could be a bit confusing. Not sure about moving it into hosp/icu totals. Would be very low versus totals (kinda like daily admissions are now on current graph so not sure that would really solve issue. Leave it with me i'll try find some time to play around options next week... 51.171.196.29 (talk) 19:03, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah ok grand. I mean if you don't want to change/split the graph then you don't have to.. I see that the template limit issue is back. I just experimented with stuff on the page and I removed the "2020 testing figures table" on testing section and the issue was resolved once again. Now the thing is, where are we gonna put the 2020 figures? (table not graph). I'm planning on creating a new split page for testing named "COVID-19 testing in the Republic of Ireland". The US also has a testing page → COVID-19 testing in the United States. But the new page will be kinda shorter than other split pages of our page, as the information there will be limited - with more stats and graphs for testing if I can find more statistics on testing in ireland - same with the vaccine page. It seems that the template issue is back because the more we are adding to the page, whether its new information, new stats/data, new graphs/charts/tables, causes it to re-appear. Quite annoying to be honest with you. Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I have decided to create the testing article. Creating this article fixed the template limit issue. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Good job. Yeah the longer this goes on (& the more info we get) the more we gonna keep bumping up against the template limit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.29 (talk) 20:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Here's what hospital (current) looks like in totals graph as suggested:


 * What do you think about the graph? I mean it looks fine I guess, but this graph might be a last resort if no-other methods on splitting the graph works. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think its a not very clear and a bit confusing. Not better than what we have now IMHO. Think putting totals and current probably not best idea. Also makes hospitaisations in 2nd/3rd wave look very small/insignificant (in relation to total over whole year). 51.171.196.29 (talk) 17:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

OK. Found a bit of time & I have split it. See main page. 51.171.196.29 (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, good job. I'll see it in more detail tomorrow. Edl-irishboy (talk) 01:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Fatality Rate in infobox. How to calculate daily change up/down
To easily find daily change just get get % deaths today v case today. If its more than current rate it has gone up. For instance 4 deaths v 100 cases is 4% so rate goes up (from 1.98%). Today 14 death v 539 case = 2.5% which is more than 1.98% so it goes up etc... If it was 10 death today v 539 case that would be 1.85% so would go down arrow
 * Alright thanks for that. Never knew it was that easy. So i'm guessing the formula is new deaths divided by new cases and multiplied by 100 to make it as a percentage. Ngl I was quite confused on how to do it after reading the way you explained it 🤣 Edl-irishboy (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Graphs removals
Hi, I have removed the clusters graph as it looks like Datahub recently removed the data from the site for absolutely no reason. I am putting this graph here for now. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:12, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Looks like the "Known mode of transmission" graphs are also lacking figures. Datahub and RTÉ doesn't post the figures anymore. I have removed the graphs and put it here for now for future reference. I really don't understand, as the pandemic goes by, more and more statistical data are being removed. Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah i agree its bizarre to give less info as time goes on. Have you tried looking for cluser/outbreak/transmission in pdfs (https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210304_v1.0.pdf). Think i've seen it in there (or somewhere?) although may not be worth the effort of digging out as doesnt really tell us much (...as its only a % of known origin cases & depends on how much HSE can track/trace which needs staff they apparently dont really have. Also depends on self reported info ie ask ppl where the got it ...they obviously not gonna say illegal houseparty/gathering.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.84.181 (talk) 21:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah the HPSC pdfs are very helpful but they don't give the exact figures for clusters, outbreaks or transmission. I think we should just leave it here for now. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Datahub now shows full ages for cases chart
Hi. Recently, Datahub updated their "Total Confirmed Cases - Age Profile" statistics to include all ages (0-85+). Before, the chart on Datahub only showed 0-65+. Since it now includes all ages, I'll be updating the "Age profile of cases" chart daily - along with updating all the other stats and figures. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah saw that. Good stuff. Hopefully do the same for deaths... they seem to be cutting down on the numbers given each breakdown week by week.

New Colours?
Not sure about the new case & death colours on graphs. Very faint/hard to see daily. Think we were fine with the old colours... and they matched the other charts/graphs on our page (& other countries). Maybe make the daily the old darker colour and the average could be the fainter/lighter colour?
 * I only changed the colours because other Covid pages' graphs were the same. For example, if you look at both the UK and US pages, you can see that the colours of the daily cases/deaths figures are fainter and more transparent, and if you look at the 7-day moving average, you can see that they are normal colours. Edl-irishboy (talk) 01:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Template limits
The reason why the COVID-19 pandemic template is too large to use in the first place is because the article is cluttered with too much content. There's quite a lot of images and templates being used here, and I strongly suggest splitting them off into an article akin to Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, but I'm not sure how such an article for Ireland would work here. Love of Corey (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your explanation. A statistics split page is a very good idea and I've thought about it for some time. To be honest though, there isn't really much content to split for now. The timeline and impact of the pandemic sections were the articles split last year and they have been split even further. This issue has already been discussed earlier, and one user fixed this issue by removing and hiding the {COVID-19 pandemic} template. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. We'll see what happens as the article goes along. Love of Corey (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Recoveries/active cases May 2021
The number of recoveries from Covid should be put up, considering that there are atm 129 people in hospitals in the Republic of Ireland due to the virus, out of 14,268 in total.

I think it would be safe to assume that those no longer in hospital due to the virus have recovered and last I saw, the number of recoveries from Covid-19 in the country was at 25,422 since it was last updated in December 2020, we are now in May 2021.

Just putting it out there that maybe, the number of recoveries should be put that up on the page, plus a young relative of mine looked at that page and thinks it's absence means that no one in the country has recovered from Covid-19 at all.

I might add to this, but a recovery figure of 232,789 is posted on worldometer; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

I’m not sure if this figure should be used as 1. There has been no official recovery figure posted by NPHET in or the Department of Health in months.

2. I don’t know where they sourced this figure from.

I thought I would put it out there anyway as I thought it could help some of the other editors.

But in my opinion, I don’t think we should add a recovery figure until we get an official one.

INgIEroC (talk) 22:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I personally think there should be recovery figures on here, not having it will make people assume no one has recovered from Covid-19 in the country. Like my young relative who nearly cried seeing that, it sends the impression things aren't getting better in the country.

If Worldmeter has that high of a number of recoveries, there has to be a source for it, it wouldn't just be pulled out of thin air.

This site has the number of recoveries from Covid-19 in the Republic of Ireland at 232,789 atm. https://www.coronatracker.com/country/ireland/

That's two sites with the number of recoveries from the virus at 232,789. I think that is good enough to justify the number of recoveries being put back on the page at that number so far. On that site it says the figures is verified news from April 16th 2021.

The number of recoveries was updated on the Coronatracker site, it's now at 233,242 that should be on the page, via maths with that plus the number of deaths from Covid-19 now at 4,908. The number of active cases is now at 12,422 and should also be on the page to update the page with new accurate figures.

https://www.coronatracker.com/country/ireland/

As the site I linked above has more accurate number for the number of Recoveries from Covid-19 in the Republic of Ireland, the number of recoveries should be put back on the page, along with the number of active cases today. With the site I linked as the source.

The number of Covid-19 cases overall is at 251,474.

The number of deaths is now at 4,921.

The number of recoveries updated today is at 233,992.

And the number of active cases is now at 12,561 today.

, please do not add unnecessary and personal experiences to Wikipedia as this does not help the situation. I have striked-through and crossed that out. Thank you. Edl-irishboy (talk) 12:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. I'm Edl-irishboy. A lot has been going on in this section and I am only seeing this now. I am only seeing that Worldometer and COVID-19 tracker sites have included a new figure for recoveries in Ireland. Worldometer and coronatracker sites are generally deemed unreliable sources since the start of this pandemic in 2020. Recovery figures/active cases have been a mess. Looking back at this talk section from last year, it was really such a mess. Worldometer shows that 234,804 people are recovered in Ireland. However, the figure is in italics (i.e. 234,804), which I presume that they believe that this figure is 'incorrect' or 'incomplete'. Personally, I think we should add this recovery figure of 234,804 in the infobox only, and leave a short note saying that this figure might be incorrect and incomplete. OR, we can just ignore this figure and not add this in, as there is still NO OFFICIAL FIGURE for recoveries in Ireland as of yet. 51.171.196.128, I am seeking your advice. By the way, whoever said ""My young relative who nearly cried seeing that, it sends the impression things aren't getting better in the country.""


 * I see the source of Corona Tracker as reliable, it says on it that what it has or the number of cases overall of Covid, recoveries and deaths are verified news.


 * Look for yourself. https://www.coronatracker.com/country/ireland/


 * And the number of recoveries have been updated on there daily over the last few days, I checked myself to be sure. The number of recoveries got updated from April 16 after months of not being updated and that wouldn't be done unless there was reliable sources of information to back it up.


 * I think it's a good source of info that should be used, unless there is another source that has the info on how many recoveries their have been for Covid-19 someone else knows about, if so I'd like to know where it is, so I can see it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.213.118 (talk) 14:03, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources on Wikipedia does not mean that if someone sees or believes that one source is reliable, then it is reliable. Please familiarize yourself with reliable sources on Wikipedia. See: WP:RS and the list of sites that is reliable or unreliable. Most COVID-19 tracker websites such as Worldometer and Coronatracker are unreliable sources. Worldometer is a definite unreliable source. If we do add this recovery figure in, I am afraid that the figure won't be updated in a very long time. The same happened with the old figure last year which caused chaos. Ireland already has a COVID-19 tracker called 'Datahub' where all figures are updated by officials from the Government of Ireland, Department of Health, HSE, etc. You mentioned that the Corona Tracker site says that "what it has of the number of cases overall of Covid, recoveries and deaths are verified news", then tell me where you see the recoveries figure on the news? This situation is very straightforward. The Government and health authorities responsible for COVID-19 does not release recovery figures anymore since last April. Just because one or two websites show that Ireland has 234,804 people recovered does not mean that Ireland does have the amount recovered because they are not confirmed by health authorities, and are 'guesstimates'. I am still seeking advice from @51.171.196.128. And you kept mentioning above that "no recoveries mean that no one has recovered from COVID-19 in Ireland". Obviously, many people have recovered from the virus in Ireland. That's common sense. It's not only Ireland that does not have a recovery figure. Many other countries do not release recovery figures also. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:16, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia for Australia has numbers for how many have recovered from Covid-19, as does the Wikipedia pages on the Covid-19 pandemic in South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, New Zealand, Italy, Spain, France, need I go on.


 * The number of recoveries of Coronatracker was updated again today, the number of recoveries is now at 235,273 as of today. Put it on the page with the site Cornoatracker as the source, it is reliable in my eyes, if it wasn't. I wouldn't have mentioned the page at all in the talk page.


 * The HSE is incompetent to not mention the number of recoveries themselves. Plus some people as I've seen in comments on social media put more fate in sites like Worldmeter and Cononatracker for info on the number of recoveries on Covid-19 then the Irish government.


 * The COVID-19 pages for Australia, South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, New Zealand, Italy, Spain, France, etc. have recovery figures added because they are actually official figures with official sources from government sites. Coronatracker is not a government site so therefore it should not be used - as it is an unreliable source. The UK page also don't include recovery figures and the figure of recoveries in the UK is 4,248,211 according to Worldometer and Coronatracker, why aren't they including that figure on the Wikipedia page then? Why aren't you going over to the UK page and talking about this on their talk page? Why are you only talking about this so-called "issue" here? The Netherlands COVID-19 page doesn't include recovery figures as well because it says that they do not have data, while on worldometer it says that the recoveries there is 1,317,452. Why aren't you going over there and commenting about this on their talk page? I now know why Worldometer has some recovery figures in italics. It's because they know that the figures are incorrect and incomplete. The Swedish COVID-19 page also doesn't include recovery figures and Worldometer says that 850,811 people are recovered there. I wonder why the Swedish page doesn't have that included...... It's because the figure is incorrect. There are MANY other countries like this as well. If you simply go to COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory you will see many countries with the recovery figure blanked with a text saying "No data". If you go to Ireland it will also say "No data". I can't stress enough that Ireland does not have a recovery figure. Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Simple I live in the Republic of Ireland and frankly I hate that the number of recoveries is not on the page, same with the number of active cases. I think the figures on the Coronatracker site for the Republic of Ireland are accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.213.118 (talk) 18:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I do understand that the recoveries on Coronatracker are kind of accurate, but the only way that a recovery figure can be added onto the page is that if it is confirmed by the health authorities responsible. Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Well until anything else is heard from health authorities and the fact the recovery figures are updated on Coronatracker daily, those should be taken as fact until we hear anything else that says otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.213.118 (talk) 20:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah as discussed before I dont think we can guess (or estimate) number of people recovered. Thats why we removed it from the page/graphs as no official update in nearly a year (see discussions above). Unless we get a proper figure from an official source i dont think we should re-add it 51.171.196.128 (talk) 15:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Single dose?
Should we add a new category in infobox for "Single dose" vaccine? Or maybe "1 Dose" although that may get a bit confusing with "1st dose". I'll implement it now let me know what you think... 51.171.196.128 (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This information is indeed helpful to add but it is looking a bit over-loaded with information now in my opinion. Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose we could stick it back into the '1st Dose' figure but wouldnt really be correct... i think the vaccine figures are probably the most important information people are interested in now the cases & hosp/icu numbers are low/falling. 51.171.196.216 (talk) 20:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya agree. I now think the single dose figure should remain in the infobox. Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

HSE cyber attack
I've added in total vaccine dose from yesterday: Informed by @HSELive that 2.5 million doses of the #CovidVaccine will have been given out by the end of today. A fantastic effort by all staff, volunteers and GPs involved in Ireland's vaccine rollout. — Micheál Martin (@MichealMartinTD) May 25, 2021

Reference may need tidy up a bit. (see https://twitter.com/MichealMartinTD/status/1397147452810088452?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw )

Also i see today that gov.ie relaesed updated case numbers for last few days (see https://www.gov.ie/en/news/be7fe-updated-covid-19-case-numbers-for-15-26-may-2021/) : Updated case numbers for 15-26 May 2021: Should we update to these numbers or leave what we have? 51.171.196.44 (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * date 	Previously cases 	Updated cases
 * 15/05/2021      447 -> 	460
 * 16/05/2021      355 	->378
 * 17/05/2021     360 	->380
 * 18/05/2021      358 	->367
 * 19/05/2021     503-> 	529
 * 20/05/2021 	469 ->	477
 * 21/05/2021 	524 ->	537
 * 22/05/2021 	381 ->	392
 * 23/05/2021 	438 	->450
 * 24/05/2021 	345-> 	350
 * 25/05/2021 	365 	->365
 * 26/05/2021 	448-> 	448
 * I have updated the 'updated cases' from the Govt press release yesterday. And I have also added further info in the note - "Due to the ongoing Health Service Executive cyberattack, latest COVID-19 figures from 14 May onwards are limited. Current COVID-19 case numbers may change with future data validation." Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah grand. I see more and more info coming out as HSE starts to recover from cyber attack. Hopefully more to follow. I might try and work out the 'cases per 100k 14day' now we have numbers. Do you know what population figure we were using for that so can do the maths?

14 day reports from HSPC are back
See here: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/ I've updated the 14day per 100k in infobox. County map available here: https://www.datawrapper.de/_/kmwlc from https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-county-by-county-data-limerick-incidence-rate-almost-four-times-national-average-1139743.html ...if you wanna do a screenshot and upload jpg of map Edl-irishboy? Looks like these are being released daily again last few days. I just noticed now. County breakdown of incidence is in there ....which is where all info on Limerick spike in media last few days is coming from. 51.171.197.42 (talk) 06:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding that out. Ya I will update the map of the county-by-county 14 day incidence when i have free time (which probably will be tomorrow). Edl-irishboy (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

DATAHUB BACK!
Just noticed that datahub is back finally! (,,,at lease partially). I've filled in a few things & will do a few more now. Just FYI. Can hopefully get back to normal updates going forward as opposed to the limited info we've been getting in dribs and drabs here and there since cyber attack 51.171.197.180 (talk) 19:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya Datahub has actually been partially back for a few weeks now with notices and warnings saying that data isn't available due to the attack. But there is still a lot of data missing, like total number of hospitalisations / ICU, healthcare worker figures, deaths, complete vaccine figures, etc.. The cyber attack really had an impact on COVID-19 data! Edl-irishboy (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Inaccurate number of confirmed cases
The number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 on the page for the Republic of Ireland is inaccurate, it's not at 264,530 as of today. It is actually at 264,826. I've been following the news articles on RTE since the cyber attack on how many new cases have been reported daily by the dept of health and the numbers add up to 264,826. And that's also what is said on this site, which has the same numbers https://www.coronatracker.com/country/ireland/ and on this site as well. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

So 296 more confirmed cases of the virus needs to be added to the total amount on the page. I wouldn't be putting this down if I wasn't 100% sure of this. I just don't like seeing inaccurate numbers in terms of how many Covid-19 cases there are in the country, since those 2 sites I linked also has the same number of recoveries of those who've gotten better after having Covid-19 on them as well, maybe the number of recoveries and active cases could be put on the page as well, with a note saying, this is may change with future data validation, just a thought.


 * I have updated the confirmed cases total according to Worldometer. I wouldn't really worry about this right now as "current COVID-19 case numbers may change with future data validation" – according to the Dept. of Health. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah i'm not too sure about this. I think the worldometer figures may include the old numbers that were subsequently updated by HSE (see here: https://www.gov.ie/en/news/be7fe-updated-covid-19-case-numbers-for-15-26-may-2021/). I suspect worldometer just has the days as each day reported & didnt go back & update when validated/updated figures were released but i suppose it'll be sorted out eventually when get a proper total from HSE/dept health. 51.171.197.42 (talk) 06:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Total figure just published on DATAhub today. As i suspected the figure was wrong on worldometer (for reason stated above). Anyway i've fixed it now & we can use proper official datahub figure going forward 51.171.197.180 (talk) 19:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Again inaccurate numbers of confirmed cases of Covid-19 are up on the page, the total number of confirmed cases is now at 269,048, not 269,037 as of June 20th. The numbers back up what I'm saying following my math of all active cases of Covid announced and the numbers on these sites back up my math. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/ and https://www.coronatracker.com/country/ireland/
 * @83.70.215.71, there is a reason why I have recently reverted your edits. Please refrain from using Worldometer (worldometers.info) and Corona Tracker as sources due to common errors being observed as noted on WikiProject COVID-19/Case Count Task Force. The correct total number of cases is 269,037 as of 20 June, from the Government's COVID-19 Data Hub: https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/. Edl-irishboy (talk) 13:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm using my own math on what the number of confirmed Covid cases there are in Ireland, which is at 269,048, based on how many new cases have been reported daily. I did the math several times to make sure I was right, Corona Tracker and Worldmeter have the same numbers. I am right!
 * Again, refrain from using Worldometer and Corona Tracker as sources. The Arbitration Committee has authorised uninvolved administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on users who edit pages related to and edits about COVID-19, including this article. Provided the awareness criteria are met, discretionary sanctions may be used against editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I used my own math, the numbers of those sites just had the same numbers I came up with. I did the math 10 times to make 100% sure I was right. I am right.

Resumption of COVID-19 vaccination in the Republic of Ireland page
51.171.197.180 just FYI, I have resumed the COVID-19 vaccination in the Republic of Ireland page filling in vaccine progress data with new available data from the HSE. The statistics "Progress to date" section was left on pause from 11 May onwards, until yesterday when I started to fill in data. It is expected that full vaccination data are to be back at the end of this week (from https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0621/1229401-covid-vaccines-ireland/). Edl-irishboy (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Super. Did you change the 7 day average deaths i did yday? I think the way you are doing this could be wrong. A spike of cases on one day (ie 26 on the 17th) should effect the average line on the 6 days before & 6 days after rolling. Ie: 0,0,0,0,0,0,26 & 0,0,0,0,0,26,0 & 0,0,0,0,26,0,0 etc etc. Each of these is = 3.7,3.7,3.7 etc. Can you check your maths again please? Or explain why you only working out the average for the day that has the cases & not the days either side. Each average should be a rolling 7 day average no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.171.196.39 (talk) 17:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya I changed it because it looked a bit off, I wasn't thinking logically sorry. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. Fixed now. Also I've moved it back a couple of days. Seems it got a bit out of sync with all the HSE hacking chaos last few weeks.

COVID-19 vaccination figures (9 July 2021)
I have realised that the daily first dose administered figures are higher than the total doses administered as a whole. For example: 4,555,032 total vaccines were administered as of 7 July. On 8 July (one day later), 4,619,820 is administered total - meaning 64,818 total doses were administered. But the first dose daily administered doesn't match. 7 July first dose total: 2,562,205 and 8 July first dose total: 2,652,657 – That's an increase of 90,452 - which doesn't make sense because 64,818 total doses were administered. Does the first dose total include the single-dose Janssen vaccine? Because if so, I can subtract the 8 July (latest) first dose total and the Janssen total (72,066) - I get 2,580,591, an increase of 18,386. I've not included 2,580,591 as the first dose total as I need help to figure out what's wrong. Update: Yes, I think the first dose total includes the single-dose Janssen vaccine. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think they've been lumping single doses into 1st dose in some places. So take that away get the correct daily number. Obvs 1st dose daily increase cannot be more than total increase. I'll keep an eye on it but seems ok now 51.171.197.119 (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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Unavailability of healthcare worker figures
As a direct result of the Health Service Executive ransomware attack, COVID-19 healthcare worker figures have been unavailable since May 2021, with the last release of the figures on 14 May. I have removed the healthcare worker figures from the following graph for the time being, as it is no good to leave it there blank. This graph including these figures will be kept here for now.

Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

The number of total vaccine doses administered is inaccurate
The number of total vaccine doses administered is inaccurate, now with the number of booster shots on that page, that is not being added to the total amount.

The number of total vaccine doses administered is at 7,413,414.

I did the math adding up the number of 1st's doses, second doses, single doses and boosters altogether and the number is at 8,079,551.

This needs to be updated to the correct total. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.212.228 (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Once again, the current number of Covid vaccine doses administered is inaccurate, as the booster shots are not being added to the total amount, which would bring the total number of vaccine doses administered from 7,431,293 to 8,344,963.

It needs to be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.215.145 (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Lets go back to the vaccine layout the way it was. New breakdown (Fully? Total? No boosters?) is very confusing. Also was good to be able to see daily increase. Not too sure about total dose administered but think you might be right (ie 8.3mil doses not 7.4m). This is probably the most important figure followed by boosters as the rest are fairly static at this point. 86.44.85.44 (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Discrepancy
There appears to be a discrepancy between the "Daily new confirmed cases with 7-day moving average" graph and the "Daily new cases (last 14 days in detail)" chart. It looks to me as though the first is only plotting positive PCR tests (down around 6,000/day), while the other is showing positive PCR plus antigen tests (10–11,000/day). Am I right? Can it be fixed? 2001:BB6:4713:4858:91C2:8FCA:BE32:8648 (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The "Daily new confirmed cases with 7-day moving average" graph only shows PCR confirmed cases, while the other graph shows PCR and antigen test cases. I have already put a note under the heading - (Includes positive antigen tests reported). I will make a tweak to the graph if you wish. Edl-irishboy (talk) 23:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think the graph should show all new reported cases. Otherwise it's not showing what it says it's showing. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:710C:472F:E87C:E744 (talk) 10:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Frequency of case and death reporting to be weekly from 16 May 2022 onwards.
“Change to Frequency of Updates: From the week of 16th May 2022 onwards, data on COVID-19 cases (PCR and positive antigen results) and deaths will be updated once per week, each Wednesday. The weekly update will include data for each date since the previous weekly update and will not result in any gap in the time series.”

From: https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/ INgIEroC (talk) 18:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

More information from the HPSC: https://www.hpsc.ie/news/title-22086-en.html INgIEroC (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seems like these figures will be updated only on Wednesdays from now on. But the Datahub will still show data from the previous 7 days, like it did for today, 18th May. Edl-irishboy (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, although daily notified deaths have changed to ‘Weekly Notified Deaths’ again. However I see that’s already pointed out in the infobox so it’s okay. INgIEroC (talk) 11:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Cause of death by covid alone CSO
The figure 7496 deaths as a result of covid is debated on the basis that a person dying from another disease with a positive PCR test is not correctly described as dying as a 'result' of covid. It could have been stage 4 cancer with a positive covid test - so covid is not the main cause of death but it was counted as such. It is misleading. 51.37.90.185 (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

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