Talk:Cabinet of Joe Biden/Archive 2

McDonough's home state
Multiple states and even the US Sec of Vets. Affairs list here at Wiki list McDonough's home state as Minnesota. Why is his home state listed as Maryland? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:13, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Mainly because in his nomination, he is listed as being of Maryland. Sdrqaz (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, so then the list of US Sec of Vets. Affairs should be edited to change his home state from Minnesota to Maryland. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think so. Although I think McDonough identifies pretty strongly with Minnesota, given that he was introduced by Minnesota's senator in his Senate hearing. Sdrqaz (talk) 19:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Which is why I was thinking his home state was Minnesota? I mean if he was introduce my Klobuchar then wouldn't he be listed as a Minnesotan here. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's definitely a tricky one: we previously had a discussion here. Given that the Congressional nomination is about as official as we're going to get on this matter, I deferred to it. Sdrqaz (talk) 19:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It is complicated as documentation shows his home state as Maryland but was introduced by a Minnesota senator. I'm curious what other users think. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Like most of these traditions, I don't think there's a hard-and-fast rule where a nominee has to be introduced by their home-state senator, though it certainly happens a lot. Going off McDonough's own page, it seems like he was born in Minnesota and lives in Maryland. Gen. Austin was born in Alabama but is listed as being from Georgia. Sdrqaz (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

2 February 2021 Confirmations: Mayorkas
Mayorkas has been confirmed by the Senate in a 56-43 vote. I am watching back the livestream to get how all senators voted. Negrong502 (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Here are the Senate votes: Baldwin - Aye Barrasso - Nay Bennet - Aye Blackburn - Nay Blumenthal - Aye Blunt - Nay Booker - Aye Boozman - Nay Braun - Nay Brown - Aye Burr - Nay Cantwell - Aye Capito - Aye Cardin - Aye Carper - Aye Casey - Aye Cassidy - Nay Collins - Aye Coons - Aye Cornyn - Nay Cortez Masto - Aye Cotton - Nay Cramer - Nay Crapo - Nay Cruz - Nay Daines - Nay Duckworth - Aye Durbin - Aye Ernst - Nay Feinstein - Aye Fischer - Nay Gillibrand - Aye Graham - Nay Grassley - Nay Hagerty - Nay Hassan - Aye Hawley - Nay Heinrich - Aye Hickenlooper - Aye Hirono - Aye Hoeven - Nay Hyde-Smith - Nay Inhofe - Nay Johnson - Nay Kaine - Aye Kelly - Aye Kennedy - Nay King - Aye Klobuchar - Aye Lankford - Nay Leahy - Aye Lee - Nay Lujan - Aye Lummis - Nay Manchin - Aye Markey - Aye Marshall - Nay McConnell - Nay Menendez - Aye Merkley - Aye Moran - Nay Murkowski - Aye Murphy - Aye Murray - Aye Ossoff - Aye Padilla - Aye Paul - Nay Peters - Aye Portman - Aye Reed - Aye Risch - Nay Romney - Aye Rosen - Aye Rounds - Nay Rubio - Nay Sanders - Aye Sasse - Nay Schatz - Aye Schumer - Aye Scott, Florida - Nay Scott, South Carolina - Nay Shaheen - Aye Shelby - Nay Sinema - Aye Smith - Aye Stabenow - Aye Sullivan - Aye Tester - Aye Thune - Nay Tillis - Nay Toomey - Not Voting Tuberville - Nay Van Hollen - Aye Warner - Aye Warnock - Aye Warren - Aye Whitehouse - Aye Wicker - Nay Wyden - Aye Young - Nay Negrong502 (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

I used this link to watch back the votes, if you need a source. This whole list will eventually be published on the Senate website under Vote 12. Negrong502 (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

If someone could, please add these in, and shade in Mayorkas in the timeline table as Confirmed. Thanks a bunch. Negrong502 (talk) 20:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅, . Since the template isn't protected, you should be able to edit it directly at Template:Biden confirmations. I think the timeline has been sorted, but let me know if it hasn't. Sdrqaz (talk) 21:06, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The entire page is locked out for me, and I haven't yet hit the 500 edits mark, so I am unable to edit anything. (I have only been editing for a bit over a month now.) Negrong502 (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


 * (Only saw this now) I know you cannot edit this page, but Template:Biden confirmations isn't (the last time I checked) protected. So you should be free to edit that page. That template is being used on this page, so whatever edits you make there will translate across here for the confirmation votes. Sdrqaz (talk) 17:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I took care of McDonough's votes using this. Wasn't aware of it. Negrong502 (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, great! Good work you're doing. Sdrqaz (talk) 23:54, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Kamala Harris color
Should Harris' color be green instead of red? I say this because red just seems a bit off. In Trump's cabinet page, red indicated that the individual either withdrew his nomination and from the current looks Neera Tanden's nomination is in limbo due to her past remarks. If anything green often means a positive sign. IDK it could be me. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Feel free to do so; I have no objections. You may want to edit Template:Cabinet of Donald Trump accordingly. Sdrqaz (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2021
Hi, I was assigned to help with this article by my professor for my internship program as I am working for a United States Senator. Can I have access please? Thanks! Tieram (talk) 02:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are editing as a part of your internship program, I advise that your review WP:COI guidelines before you continue. KidAd   talk  03:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg Not done: This is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 05:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2021
I kindly ask that you change 'TBD' to 'Feb 25, 2021' above the image for Jennifer Granholm in the "Senate votes" subsection of the page, as both the Senate Executive Calendar for February 25, 2021, and the Detroit News indicate that her confirmation vote is scheduled at noon on the aforementioned date. Ajs2004 (talk) 04:13, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done – robertsky (talk) 08:39, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Biden Cabinet
Linda Greenfield assumed office someone change it Lucy8212016 (talk) 17:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * She's an ambassador. She doesn't assume office until she presents her credentials. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Cabinet
Linda Thomas Greenfield presented her credentials change it Lucy8212016 (talk) 22:15, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2021 (2)
Update Jennifer Granholm portrait with official Secretary portrait Austinsinema (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Secretary_Jennifer_Granholm.jpg appears to already be the photo in use.  If not, please link the photo you are asking for.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Greenfield
Someone change Linda greenfield she assumed office now Lucy8212016 (talk) 02:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Small question about the tables
Greetings and felicitations. In the tables there are en dashes used as separators between the seals and the title in the "Office" columns. E.g.:

[Seal of the Vice President of the United States.svg]

–

Vice President of the United States

Is there a reason for this? I ask because I don't see the need for them. —DocWatson42 (talk) 03:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , while I cannot answer your question, I can ping, who created Cabinet of Donald Trump, upon which the Biden table is modeled. The dashes were present on the first revision of that template, and sort of became precedent from there. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 03:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I think it looks more aesthetically pleasing. I don't think it serves any practical purpose beyond that, however. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * and : Thanks. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 03:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was just for the looks, and I think I copied that from elsewhere, was not a personal decision. Feel free to ditch the dashes, that would save space. — JFG talk 05:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Cecilia Rouse
Cecilia Rouse was confirmed can someone update it Lucy8212016 (talk) 00:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Data Viz UX Improvements for the Confirmation Process?
Hello hello,

Wanted to discuss changing the Confirmation process timeline graphic some. The legend has referenced colors for both Timing (Election and Inauguration) and Status (Nominated, Withdrawn, etc.). AFAIK, in UX best practices there should be just one type (either Timing or Status) that the colors match to, in order to improve cognitive comprehension of the visualization.

Suggestion 1: Move the "Election" text/copy from the Legend to the X-axis, where time is labeled already, providing a "legend" for Time, and then only have Status color markers in the Legend and for the confirmation process.

Suggestion 2: I might also suggest updating the x-axis timing labels to refer to each key vertical line/date.

Suggestion 3: Possibly changing the "Nominated" color to a light-blue vs light-grey, and making the "Withdrawn" color a light-grey. This would improve the contrast/difference between Withdrawn's grey (making Withdrawn's grey darker will make it 'pop' too much from the page, when the word/concept "withdrawn" should fade more into the background instead.)

See this mockup for a rough picture of what these suggestions might look like together (except for Suggestion 3 re: color changes where I only did it loosely for Secretary of State)

Earthonaut (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Rouse
Cecilia Rouse Assumed office someone change it Lucy8212016 (talk) 03:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source, I've not seen a swearing in. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:38, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Committee chart
I've created the below chart for similar purposes to consolidate 95% of the page from being essentially a list and focus on the actual commentary of the nominations. I don't have Harris or Klain to focus on the congressional process. Thoughts? Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I think the column for cloture is a little too much. It's simple procedure, and usually not very eventful. Jdavi333 (talk) 15:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * My rationale for keeping it that I think cloture 1) shows that it was needed due to a block, 2) is a recorded vote on the nominee and 3) could very well kill a nomination. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Moving to mainspace and separating from above discussion. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Miguel Cardona
Miguel Cardona assumed office someone change it Lucy8212016 (talk) 18:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Building on above, change to "Former State Education Commissioner" — Preceding unsigned comment added by DANZIP (talk • contribs) 01:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Becerra tie edit request
Technically, Becerra was not “approved” in committee, but rather was “not reported due to a tie vote.” S. Res. 27, 117th Cong. §3(1). As such, Sen. Schumer (or McConnell) must make a motion to discharge the committee of the nomination before it will be out of committee. Id. §3(1)(A).

I suggest the replacement language from: “approved 14–14 on March 3, 2021. Floor vote pending.”

to: “not reported by a vote of 14–14 on March 3, 2021. Due to the tie, the committee may be discharged of the nomination by motion under S. Res. 27.” SilverLocust (talk) 16:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2021
Putting Mar 10 for Garland and Fudge on the "Confirmation votes" as it says the senate vote will be held on Mar 10 via the "Committee process" section. Justarandomnamejake (talk) 02:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Confirmation Process:
In spite of the U. S. Senate being under Democratic control [with VP Harris's tie-breaking vote], it seems to be taking an inordinately long time for the Cabinet members [and other nominees] to be confirmed. As of 9 March 2021 it has been nearly 50 days since President Biden was sworn in and most of these officials [prospective Cabinet members and Cabinet level nominees in other agencies] have been waiting nearly twice as long since being nominated to their respective positions. Is the Senate so busy with other business that it cannot speed up the confirmation process? Abul Bakhtiar (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * If the interest is to put this into the mainspace as a section on the historic delay, then there are several articles you can find on this topic. There was the delay of recognition of Biden's victory and transition cooperation, including lameduck committee hearings in winter 2020 for the president-elects nominees, and the need to halt Senate business during impeachment proceedings. On top of that, there was a delay in an organizing resolution establishing the Senate majority, which prevented any committee assignments and organization meetings, and the narrow margins itself alongside high Republican obstruction. If this is just for general discussion, remember that we are not a forum. Therequiembellishere (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

link to senate vote tallies in Confirmation Votes table
Why not have the final full senate vote under each cabinet position link to the senate vote page, rather than having it as a separate "Sources" section where the external link to the vote is disguised (piped) as the the candidates name in a separate list? I think this was how it has been done for previous cabinet articles. If there are no objections, I will give it a go soon. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

John Kerry Cabinet-Level Position
On the official, White House website John Kerry was added to the cabinet list therefore he should be added to the Wikipedia page, plus he is on the national security council which is a position most cabinet members are on.Israelgonz27 (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2021
Marty Walsh's Senate vote is scheduled for March 22, 2021. I saw on a Boston news article online. May you change it? Arnieg7 (talk) 19:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. LOMRJYO(About × contribs) 21:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Can the confirmation votes tables be aligned?
The first row and the second row are uneven. Any way they can be aligned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:D200:4C60:2C82:DECA:C768:FE24 (talk) 12:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Someone removed something I did not agree with.
This page used to say "confirmations were confirmed at the slowest pace in modern american history." Someone removed this to say "Confirmations started out slow, but picked up speed later" due to there being only 4 more slots left to be filled. This should not have happened, as it is still the slowest (slower than even Trumps) and just because they are NOW almost done doesn't mean it wasn't the slowest. Sneakycrown (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree and it also amounts to WP:OR. If there's more recent comparative analysis by an RS on the pace, then we can adjust but just saying the speed picked up recently doesn't feel appropriate. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * That was me — sorry about that, my bad. I'll fix it. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:15, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's worth any mention in the lead at this point. In the initial weeks/months perhaps, but seeing how it's going now, we can omit that. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Should this article be “Biden-Harris administration”?
According to NYP and foxnews, WH officially uses the title “Biden-Harris administration”.--Johnson.Xia (talk) 16:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Dashes
There is, almost invariably, a mixture of ndashes and mdashes (not to mention masquerading hyphens and double-hyphens) in every article of substantial size. Quote (emphasis mine)... use either unspaced em dashes or spaced en dashes, with consistency in any one article:
 * An em dash is always (without a space on either side):

--Oblio4 (talk) 03:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * An en dash is (with a space on each side) when used as sentence punctuation:

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2021
All suggested changes occur the top-right box A. Change "People and organisations" to "People and organizations" (American Government should be American Spelling) B. Change "No. of Ministers" to "No. of Secretaries" C. Remove "Member Party" and "Opposition Party" lines as they do not pertain to this style of cabinet. D. Remove Status in Legislature as it is irrelevant to the functions of the cabinet. SilentGeek (talk) 02:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , that wording is built into the infobox template, Template:Infobox government cabinet, which autopopulates that text. You're right that we should try to make this American English. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue of ministers is cleared up (using Secretaries would not work, as there are cabinet members who are not secretaries). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 04:21, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * C and D make sense, see majority government and divided government, so ❌. I'm asking around for A. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 05:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A is ✅. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 06:35, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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