Talk:Cabragh House

Formatting problems
How do I get rid of the brackets and New Zealand in Public Trustee (New Zealand) while retaining the internal Wikipedia referencing? Please help me I'm a newbie! W. Frank 09:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The general format is label shown in the article, so in this case, you could type Public Trustee. Thanks for helping out, and don't hesitate to ask questions if you're stuck. yandman 09:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You can link to the article by typing Public Trustee (New Zealand) (notice the extra | at the end of the link), which will hide the brackets on the link; this will automatically fill out the link Yandman mentioned above.

You can't hide the brackets in the article title because it's important for people to know which of several articles with the same name they're viewing. --ais523 09:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think he's talking about the title, see my post. yandman  09:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed Mr yandman  your help was exactly what I needed and boy was it fast! Are you Superman? How do you type so fasgt and give such great advice - there I was labouring away for days and thinking that all the other Wikipedians were ignoring the help pleas on my user talk page: W. Frank I can't thank you (and the other helpful folks) enough!

Trepidation...
PS: Am I OK just going ahead creating articles on Wikipedia like this? W. Frank 09:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes; wikipedia is a wiki, and editing it to improve it is encouraged. Be bold in updating pages! --ais523 09:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that reassurance ais! I see that your tag is marked special. Does that mean that you are an administrator?

Is my article OK so far? Is it OK if I put in some photographs that I have taken of Cabragh House and the gorgeous interiors? (I have the permission of the owner). W. Frank 10:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

origin of Cabragh name?
Can anyone help me with the origin of the name Cabragh? Do you think it is a corruption of Gabragh? W. Frank 10:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest taking this to the reference desk, where you can find a specialist for practically anything. yandman  10:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Mr (Superman) yandman  !!

You really are fast and right on the button with regard to Cabragh!! W. Frank 10:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Tara and the Gabhra Valley, is the point where four story cycles unite in the juxtaposition of the deaths, burials and inaugurations of kings and heroes. Apart from the decimation of the Fianna, Tara, the Gabhra and Achall (Skryne) is where Cormac mac Airt lived and died, building Achall for himself in his old age, when due to the loss of an eye, he could no longer live in Tara, as blemished kings cannot reign. Lug, the most revered of early Celtic Gods and known throughout Continental Europe, is made king of the Tuatha Dé Danann in the Banqueting Hall on top of the Hill of Tara.

Finally and significantly, the hero of the Ulster Cycle is connected with the Gabhra Valley as Cú Chulainn's severed head is buried in Tara, although he is killed in his native place - Mag Muirthemne in Co. Louth. This is related in the twelfth-century Book of Leinster version of the tale:

"Cú Chulainn's right hand was struck off in vengeance. The hosts set out, and they took Cú Chulainn's head and his right hand with them until they reached Tara. That is the burial site of Cú Chulainn's head and his right hand and the whole panel of his gold shield".

It continues with a poem that says:

"His head is far from him a firm fighter in Tara's hill. His head is joined to Coirpre Nia Fer's trunk".

This is also mentioned in the text describing the place names of Tara:

"The triple rampart of Nessa, Conchobar's mother at the north-eastern end opposite the north-eastern end of Long na mBan to the north-east. Ráith Chonhobair meic Nessa beside the triple rampart to the north with its door in the east opposite Méide Con Culainn. The site of Scéith cona Thuil is opposite the Méide to the north-east. Thus is this rath: level on the ground with a small hill in its middle, it hollow full of clay".

The Metrical Dindshenchas also mentions the burial of his head:

"The Measure of the Head of grim Cú Chulainn lies north-east from Rath Conchobair; the dimension of his Shield under its Boss is wonderful and huge".

It is patently obvious that the Gabhra Valley itself, along with Tara and Achall at each end of the valley, was a theatre of significant action in all four of the main cycles of saga literature in early Ireland. This is also a landscape of significance from a historical and most particularly from a traditional point of view. The proposed motorway would obliterate all its commemorative importance, dividing Tara from Achall, Tara from Rath Lugh and dissecting the Gabhra Valley – the site of the last battle of the Fianna and the resting place of Oscar son of Oisín and of Cairpre Lifechair king of Tara. Effectively, the very core of early Irish mythological literature would disappear forever under a motorway's concrete and the concomitant development that will undoubtedly follow.

For a fugitive from Ireland in the 1890's, it is not surprising that Hornsby (not his real name - he was on the run) chose a name for his new house relating to the myths of the country he would never return to...(Irish spelling was not standardised at this time). 125.237.56.116 (talk) 22:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding photos
But is my article OK so far? Is it OK if I put in some photographs that I have taken of Cabragh House and the gorgeous interiors? (I have the permission of the owner) W. Frank 11:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It is shaping up well. I added "is a New Zealand Historic Place" in the introductory sentence.  Wikipedia articles can quickly get deleted if they don't assert importance, and it is best to do so from the very beginning.  As for the photos, they can be added if they comply with the Image use policy.  SWAdair 11:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

RISK OF DELETION ? ! ?
Thank you for the encouragement. Obviously I don't want all my hard work to be in vain and have this article to be deleted before I've had the chance to add the photographs and architectural commentary. However I have two difficulties:

1) I'm pretty sure that the registration is still pending and it is Amber House (next door at 46 Weka Street) that is proposed for registration and not for number 48) although local people are suggesting that, given their joint histories and complimentary styles, both should be registered.

2) It is really the building that housed the Cabragh House School (currently known as Amber House) that is historic in the new zealand context (although both are important in an architectural sense as a perfect adjacent matched pair of the Nez Zealand vernacular style).

The main claim to fame is the interior of Cabragh House and I am still educating myself on the etiquette of posting a whole raft of interior shots.

I therefore propose changing your phrase "Cabragh House (school and residence) is a registered New Zealand Historic Place."

to

"Cabragh House (school and residence) is considered an historic site for exemplarising late Victorian furnishings and provincial New Zealand vernacular architecture. The former site of Cabragh House School, now known as Amber House, is pending registration as a New Zealand Historic Place  "

but waiting until 14 December 2006 to make this change in my article pending further research and/or comments on this discussion page.

Thank you once again for your help! W. Frank 14:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I'll let you handle the wording of the introduction, when and as needed, as you are much more aware of the particulars.  As for your earlier question concerning images, the simplified answer is that you can upload the pictures if you own them and are willing to release them under the GFDL or if the owner of the photos gives permission to release them under the GFDL.  You'll find all the particulars at Image use policy.  SWAdair 04:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

waiting for images
W. Frank 12:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I took some of the pictures and I'm waiting for *Kathy Reilly of Golden Bay, New Zealand to do some original Acrylic Paintings, Watercolours or Pen & Ink Drawings of Cabragh and Amber House. She's 20,000kms closer than I am and sent me a very nice e-mail yesterday. She will retain the copyright but I will maintain the external link to her site so that visitors to the article can view them there. I assume that I can simply scan the old photographs in my possession that were taken before 1922 and then upload them?

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