Talk:Cadillac Brougham

Pronunciation
I'm French speaking so I'm not going to make edits on the main page about how to pronounce an English word.

In my life, I've hear it pronounced Brou-Gam and Broug-Ham... while most of us here knows it's more like Broom. I tried my hand making an IPA string : or. But don't take my word for it, please check the "Current British English searchable transcriptions" at http://seas3.elte.hu/cube/index.pl?s=Brougham&t=&syllcount=&maxout=&wfreq=0-9&grammar= it takes a while to show any results but when they show, click on the Play button and you'll get a bunch of YT clips, clicking next each time you hear "Broom".

Netweezurd (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

60 Special
There needs to be ONE Article covering 60 Special, Fleetwood, Fleetwood Brougham, and Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham. All of these names refer to the SAME model over time (with the partial exception of the FWD abominations of 1985-1992-93).

The entire Fleetwood set of articles is completely disjointed. The naming isn't even correct. The Fleetwood name ALWAYS came BEFORE the series number. It was always Fleetwood Series 60 Special not the other way around, and the same goes for the Brougham options, e.g. Fleetwood Brougham, or Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham. There was also only one model line from the late 50s up to 1985 when the front wheel drive split off of the C body came. From 1985-1992 there were both FWD and RWD "Fleetwood" models. Confusing to say the least. but later unified as RWD for the last four years (1993-96)as Fleetwood with an optional Brougham package.

Someone with catalogs and / or Cadillac model reference material needs to sort through these disjointed articles and bring them together under a SINGLE article that should be named "Cadillac Fleetwood, 60 special, and Brougham", because these all refer to the SAME car model at different points in time and sometimes were used together (and for a short period, 1971-76, all three names were used for the one model in the lineup. I have brochures from 1964-2013 to verify this and have the material from 1958-63 showing the model naming of the various cars.

Instead of citing books written many of which contain errors, how about reading the original Cadillac service sales and marketing documents. If you do you will notice that the Fleetwood series goes back to at least 1964 when it was superimposed on the existing ElDorado and 60 Special models. Some time later (in the 1970s Eldorado was separated from the Fleetwood series thus going back to the 4 door sedan only.

The breakdown in Series and model names by year range:

1930s (or 40s) thru mid-late 50s there was one model, the "60 Special". During parts of this time it had a separate longer wheelbase and at other times the same wheelbase as DeVilles & series 62.

From about 1957 or so thru 1965: "Fleetwood 60 Special", thru 1964 same WB as DeVilles, in 1965 separate longer WB, also a Brougham "Option Package" was offered in 1965, but it was NOT a separate model (there was only one sales code of "M").

1966-1970: Fleetwood 60 Special OR Fleetwood Brougham (sales code M or P)

1971-76: Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham. This was the only time that all three "names" (Fleetwood, 60 Special, and Brougham) were all used together).

1977-1984: Fleetwood Brougham

1985-1992 Split between FWD 60 Special and RWD Fleetwood Brougham and / or Brougham. This was the ONLY time that the model name "Brougham" was used Without Fleetwood being in front of it.

1993-96: RWD Fleetwood with "Brougham" option package, but not a separate model. I believe there was one final year, 1993, for the front wheel drive "60 Special" model, but it didn't have Fleetwood in front of it. I don't have the catalogs in frnt of me but I have them (ALL of them).

And lastly, Fleetwood WAS a coach builder for Cadillac, but was acquired and became a division of GM before WW2. The Fleetwood body plant made all Fleetwood bodies up to and including 1970. I had a 1970 Fleetwood Brougham and its body plate and door sills had "Body by Fleetwood" on them. Fleetwood also made the all leather interiors of DeVilles and ElDorados in the 1960s. My 1968 DeVille Convertible is one of them.

Cadillacmike (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Premiere Roof Option
Vinyl roof was at least functionally standard as of RWD D-Body becoming "Brougham" and FWD taking the "Deville" slot circa 1985. Vinyl roof changed to encompass 3rd window in 1990, not as an option. If any non-vinyl roofs were made post 1985 they were small enough in number for calling this an "option" to be misleading.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.192.173.101 (talk) 00:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC)