Talk:Cadmus/Archive 1

Kadmos and Europe
Kadmos was the brother of Europa. This lady let herself be abducted by the god Zeus, who took her from the coast of present day Syria & Lebanon (Cadmus is tawn in Syria near Latakia) to the island of Crete. Kadmos went in search of his sister, but never found her. He arrived at Central Greece where he fought a dragon and founded the city of Thebes. The teeth of the dragon he slayed changed into warriors. Kadmos took a number of these into his service. They became the first aristocracy in Europe. Their position was not due to kinship but to service and loyalty vis à vis government authority. Kadmos and his warriors were the beginning of Western strength.

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 * (Cadmus' myth is set in the Mycenaean age, but the alphabet arrived in the eighth century. The Minoans seem to have had an aristocracy from the first palace period in the mid second millennium. ) --Wetman 07:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Cadmus is towards the end of the Mycenaen age, which was immediately followed by the Classic age. ie the "Dark age" is now accepted as being a Victorian invention to fill a gap between the two. The Phoenicians invented alphabetic writing(via cunieform) in approx 9th century, Cadmus adopted it for Greece soon after. This is yet another indicator that the Mycenaen age ended around 870BC 2 generations after the fall of Troy. The Old chronology would have us believe that happened 300-400 years earlier. Read books by David Rohl and other modern historians who have debunked the invention of the "Greek Dark Age". Minoan Crete was certainly the first European power, but it can be argued that Mycenaen Greece was the first mainland power in Europe--158.43.39.218 (talk) 10:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Cadmus and cadmium
Is it true that the chemical element cadmium is named after Cadmus ? Jay 17:19, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's right.


 * --IonnKorr 12:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Temple
Where it says "a temple to the moon-goddess (Semele) was erected," wasn't Semele the daughter of Cadmus? I believe the proper name is Cybele, but I'm not sure. ~9:16 PM, 12 Dec 2004
 * In Greek mythology, the moon-goddess of the Titanic order of gods was Selene, a daughter of Hyperion. She was supplanted by Artemis. Semele is wrong in any event; she was a mortal the mother of Dionysius. Ellsworth 21:12, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cadmus and Phoenicia
Was Cadmus a Phoenician?

- Phoenicians emerged, in history, at beginning of first millennium (or even one century before).

- Cadmus might found Thebae of Boeotia about 16th, or 15th or 14th century B.C.

There is a gap. Consequently ...?

--IonnKorr 12:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Your dates for Cadmus are about as accurate as one could hope for in mythology. --Wetman 09:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Someone has deleted, following the phrase "Cadmus was credited by the Hellenes with the introduction of the Phoenician alphabet," the explanatory phrase "which were not historically used in Greece until centuries after his age'". I'm not likely to be confused, but perhaps the average reader might need some explication after all. What do you folks think? --09:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * But "centuries after his age" is meaningless, because these are mythical events - so no one can say when "his age" was, let alone precisely how long ago Phoenician letters came to be used in Greece or by whom they were introduced. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 22:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, but surely we can all agree that the introduction of the alphabet in mainland Greece postdated the setting of the myth of Cadmus, which, inasmuch as it is the founding myth of Thebes, lay previous even to the Trojan War, agreed to be pre-literate. Any statement of this relative sequence in some way that will be meaningful to the reader, whose sense of sequence may be vague,  will certainly be acceptable to me, for one. --Wetman 04:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know if we can assume anything like that... The way I figure, somebody had to have introduced Phoenician letters. We don't know who (or how, or when), and the only name we have to go on is Cadmus, about whom many things are said ranging from the obviously mythical circumstances, to the sources like Herodotus that at least sound plausible. The person responsible for their introduction to Greece may as well have been named Cadmus, but if not, then he was named something else.  But there is no doubt that the innovation was directly copied or adapted from Phoenician letters, at some point in time.  I have seen that there is really not unanimous agreement as to when it happened, though. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 04:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Substitute CDM for "Cadmus" and simply apply logic to determine the relative sequence of events: Founding of Thebes predates Trojan War, because Thebans took part. Trojan War is pre-literate, from internal evidence in Iliad. Therefore, as I said, the introduction of the alphabet in mainland Greece postdates the setting of the myth of CDM, which is the founding myth of Thebes. How could there be a problem with that? The conclusion suggests that there would be a pre-literate stratum of the Cadmeia at Thebes, and there is. The "somebody" is discussed in Walter Burkert, The Orientalizing Revolution: literacy explodes within a few decades after 750 BCE. "The earliest Greek letters recognized to date originate in Naxos, Ischia, Athens, and Euboea, and appear arround or a little before 750" (Burkert p 26, noting the inscribed Dipylon jug at Athens,   the Ischia inscription on the "cup of Nestor", a geometric period shard from Naxos and some Euboean material). That was a groundbreaking book in 1992. Thus the original text:
 * "Cadmus was credited by the Hellenes with the introduction of the Phoenician alphabet, which was not historically used in Greece until centuries after his age."

"His age" in this sentence means "before the Trojan War". All irrefutable. Perhaps it's not generally understood that  an exaggerated antiquity is usually ascribed to oral legends placed in a distant past. All this, because someone thoughtlessly deleted the statement. --Wetman 07:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

IMPACT CONSULTING CULTURAL RESEARCH .TONY DACCRE BARAT. SC.PO.ADM.JUSTICE.Paris VIII. III.HBR.LING. POLIT.SOC.Haifa.Univ. I.Cadmus fighting the dragon. Painting from a krater in the Louvre Museum. NOTE: EVEN DRAGON IS COREL.TO DAGON,FENICIAN FISH GOD,ŢIDON,AGRICULTURE,CEREALS GOD דגון.DAG FISH,DAGON CEREAL.DRAC roum.DEVIL NOTE:EVEN  IN aram.ebr.sometime a R is intercalated in  a word. ARAM DAMESEQ, DARMESEQ = ARAMIT  KINGDOM in  ANCIENT SYRIA .concord.dict.sosan.pg.111. I. sam 8:5.I. ch.18:5 ארם דמשק,דרמשק. .Dozy Span.Port.words derived from Arabic,pg.23.” L,R,” are sometime intercalated in a word,or in the end. (tony 7.8.11.0.05.hr) Cadmus or Kadmos (Greek: Κάδμος), in Greek, Roman and Phoenician mythologies, was a Phoenician prince,[1] the son of king Agenor and queen Telephassa of Tyre and the brother of Phoenix, Cilix and Europa. He was originally sent by his royal parents to seek out and escort his sister Europa back to Tyre after she was abducted from the shores of Phoenicia by Zeus.[2] Cadmus founded the Greek city of Thebes, the acropolis of which was originally named Cadmeia in his honor. II.TONY’S NOTES:1.ONLY IN ARAM.CNAAN.IVRIT U=V=O= ו, או=AV.AU.SO IT MUST BE KADMOS.C=K IN ARAM.CNAN.IVRIT.כ K reversed is archaic. Israely,Hebrew wikip.2 CADMOS IS SON OF A KING..SEE DOWN.!!! 1.European K is a Falsification from ancient ARM.CN.IVR. 2. I want to see the text in Cnaanit where KADMOS IS MENTIONED.!!! Cadmus was credited by the ancient Greeks (Herodotus[3] is an example) with introducing the original Alphabet or Phoenician alphabet -- phoinikeia grammata, "Phoenician letters" -- to the Greeks, who adapted it to form their Greek alphabet. Herodotus estimates that Cadmus lived sixteen hundred years before his time, or around 2000 BC.[4] Herodotus had seen and described the Cadmean writing in the temple of Apollo at Thebes engraved on certain tripods. He estimated those tripods to date back to the time of Laius the great-grandson of Cadmus.[5] On one of the tripods there was this inscription in Cadmean writing, which as he attested, resembled Ionian letters: Ἀμφιτρύων μ᾽ ἀνέθηκ᾽ ἐνάρων ἀπὸ Τηλεβοάων ("Amphitryon dedicated me from the spoils of [the battle of] Teleboae."). HERODOT HAS A CALENDER WITH CHRIST ??? tony 7.8.11.14.00 III.T.NOTES.:1.HOW DID INTRODUCED KADMOS THE ALPHABET??IN A C.D.,BY FAX,SATELITE???THIS IS A SIMPLE LEGENDE!!!PHENICIA NEVER EXISTED. IT’S A GREEK FICTION.BOBE MANSES idiş=STORIES OF GRAND MAMA.(See.PNC,FNC=CNP = כנףCANAF WING,BRANCH OF PALM.FINIC roumanian=PALM BRANCH In aramit we have CAPA DIDIQLA כפא דדקלא,כנף     CAPEI DITAMREI  כפי דתמרי  see EUROPA corel.hbr.ALL THIS TEXT IS A FAIRY TALE,BOBE MANSA,SKAZKA rus.told story=tell-tal.2.I WANT TO SEE THE TRIPOD IN APOLLO TEMPLE!!! IN THE RELATION KADMOS –ELADA ,GREEK MADE THE CNAANIM…ARIAN BY  CULTURAL RELATION,OR RELATION WITH ZEUS.PROBLEMA:SEE  ACADEMIA  CORELATION  WITH HEBREW. MENAGE,FURETTIERE,LITTRE. Though later Greeks like Herodotus dated Cadmus's role in the founding myth of Thebes to well before the Trojan War (or, in modern terms, during the Aegean Bronze Age), this chronology conflicts with most of what is now known or thought to be known about the origins and spread of both the Phoenician and Greek alphabets. While a Phoenician origin for the Greek alphabet is certain, the earliest Greek inscriptions match Phoenician letter forms from the late 9th or 8th centuries BC -- and, in any case, the Phoenician alphabet properly speaking wasn't developed until around 1050 BC (or after the Bronze Age collapse). The Homeric picture of the Mycenaean age betrays extremely little awareness of writing, possibly reflecting the loss during the Dark Age of the earlier Linear B script. Indeed the only Homeric reference to writing [6] was in the phrase "γράμματα λυγρά", grámmata lygrá, literally "ominous etchings", when referring to the Bellerophontic letter. (According to Walter Burkert in The Orientalizing Revolution, literacy explodes within a few decades after 750 BC: "The earliest Greek letters recognized to date originate in Naxos, Ischia, Athens, and Euboea, and appear around or a little before 750".[7]) Linear B tablets have been found in abundance at Thebes, which might lead one to speculate that the legend of Cadmus as bringer of the alphabet could reflect earlier traditions about the origins of Linear B writing in Greece (as Frederick Ahl speculated in 1967[8]). But such a suggestion, however attractive, is by no means a certain conclusion in light of currently available evidence. The connection between the name of Cadmus and the historical origins of either the Linear B script or the later Phoenician alphabet, if any, remains elusive. However, in modern day Lebanon, Cadmus is still revered and celebrated as the 'carrier of the letter' to the world. According to Greek myth, Cadmus's descendants ruled at Thebes on and off for several generations, including the time of the Trojan War.. ALPHABET PHENICIEN

. La légende d'Europe évoque le voyage de Cadmos en Grèce et l'offrande culturelle qu'il proposa aux habitants en échange d qu'ils puissent transcrire e renseignements concernant l'enlèvement de sa soeur. Cette légende rejoint la réalité historique avec le récit de l'historien grec Hérodote qui nota : «Ces Phéniciens arrivés [en Grèce] avec Cadmos [...] introduisirent l'alphabet que les Grecs, à ce que je crois, ne possédaient pas auparavant». IV.NOTES TONY:HERE CADMOS  (ACCORDING  WIKIPEDIA) WENT TO ANCIENT GREECE TO LIBERATE HIS SISTER EUROPA.THE PAT OF  THE  RANCOM WAS..PHENICIAN ALPHABET,THE DOCUMENT,BOOK IS NOT INDICATED.THIS IS SCIENCE FOR A DICTIONARY??? IF SOME ONE IN ELADA MADE LOVE TO EUROPA THEN EUROPE IS INFECTED WITH SEMITIC BLOOD  THEY ARE NO LONGER PURES ARIANS(see)!!! Quelques siècles après Hérodote, c'est au tour du savant romain Pline d'écrire : «Le peuple phénicien a l'insigne honneur d'avoir inventé les lettres de l'alphabet». V.PLINIUS SAYS:. PHENICIAN NATION HAS THE MEDAL OF HONOUR FOR INVENTING THE LETTERS OF ALPHABET(tony) Cependant, tous les anciens n'étaient pas du même avis. Au Ier siècle av. J.C. Diodore de Sicile rapporte le point de vue des Crétois sur la question : «Contre ceux qui affirment que les Syriens ont inventé les lettres de l'alphabet et que les Phéniciens, après les avoir appris, les transmirent aux Grecs [.], eux [Les Crétois] disent que les Phéniciens n'inventèrent pas, à l'origine, les lettres, mais qu'ils changèrent seulement la forme des signes»(1). VI.DIODORE:CRETE SAYS THAT SYRIENS ARE THE INVENTORS.NOTE: SIRIA DID NOT EXISTED IN ANCIENT TIME,IT WAS ARAM DAMESEQ=KINGDOM OF..ארם דמסק(Sos.Dict.Concord) .ARAM CORELATE TO ARAMI,COUNTRY OF EAST.SEE QDM. EVEN IN CRETE WERE ARAMIM,CNAANIM,EVEN IVRIM,EBREW.(H=MISTAKE) D'après ces témoignages, il semble évident que si l'importance des Phéniciens dans l'histoire de l'alphabet était reconnue de tous, il existait des divergences d'opinion sur leur rôle effectif. Inventeurs et propagateurs de l'alphabet pour certains, ces Phéniciens étaient considérés par d'autres comme de simples intermédiaires qui auraient transmis aux Grecs l'invention d'un autre peuple, en contribuant à donner à cet alphabet sa forme définitive. VII. IT IS EVIDENT THE IMPORTANCE OF PHENICIA.NOTE:IT IS NICE BUT FENICIA NEVER EXISTED UNDER THIS NAME,IDEM SIRIA,CRETA.ALL THE STORY IS A FICTION.NOTE:IF YOU DON’T PUT ALL THE TEXTS TOGETHER IN ALL THE LANGUAGES YOU CAN’T SEE ALL THE INFORMATION.( FNC.PNC anagrama = CNP.CAPA=PALM BRANCH.I have an article. כנף,כפא דדקלאCANAF,CAPA DIDIQLKA ,CAPEI DITAMREI  כפי דתמרי) NOTE:DR.MAROUN KASSAV FROM LEBANON ALSO SPEAK ABOUT CNAANIM.I WORK ON HIS DICTIONARY NOW. . ce sont les Phéniciens qui transmirent aux Grecs ce savoir = THE PHENICIANS  TRANSMITTED TO THE GRECS THIS KNOWLEDGE.(tony) fri.05.08.11.15.hr. ETIMOLOGY: Cadmus' name is of uncertain etymology.[9] It has been connected to Semitic qdm "the east" and Greek kekasmai (<*kekadmai) "to shine". Robert Beekes rejects these derivations and considers it "pre-Greek". Tony mercr.03.08.11.bucr.uni.19.00hr VIII. NOTE : (H)EBR.LEAQDIM LAQUM LIROT AZRIHA=TO RISE,GETT UP,WAKE UP EARLY TO SEE SUN RISE.להקדים לקום לראות הזריחה קדמוס (καδμωs) במיתולוגיה היוונית היה מייסד העיר תבאי. הוא היה בנו של מלך פיניקיה ואחיה של אירופה IX. NOTES:FOUNDER OF TEBA,SON OF KING OF FENICIA.HOW CAN WRITE AN ISRAELY SUCH STUPIDITY!!!.FENICIA IS IN THE TORA???!!!.THE WRITER FORGOT THAT ANCIENT ELADA DESTROYED AND PROFANATE,MADE IMPURE THE TEMPLE,MIQDAS IN IERUSALAIM??GREEK EXTERMINATE,ERASED CNAANIT CULTURE,TRIED TO DO THE SAME TO(.incorect H)EBREW.!!

X.TONY’S NOTES:1.SEMITIC “QDM”IS INEXISTENT!!IT’S ARAM.CNAAN,IVRIT,ACAD,BABEL,NABATY,ARAB TODAY!!! 2.THE ETYM.OF CADMUS=QDM=EAST=STUPIDO AND CHILDISH.IN THE WORD EAST THERE IS NOT ALL THE STORY OF CADMOS THE NICE AND WISE PRINCE FROM LEBANON THE WHITE COUNTRY OF CEDARS(LIGHT AND PROUD).I HAVE 6 PG OF CHARACTERISTICS OF CADMOS IN THE LANGUAGES OF ANCIENT MEDITERANA. 3. Greek kekasmai (<*kekadmai) "to shine INEXISTENT IN DICT.GR.BAILLY pg.1071.I HAVE ONLY κέκασμάι correlate to HAZO χαζω pg.2113,corel.HEH- -ADONTO χέχαδοντο S’ELOIGNER frnc.=GO AWAY.IN NEAR TO 100000 WORDS THE GREEK OF WIKIPEDIA DOES’NOT EXISTE.!!!WHERE IS THE  NAME OF THE BOOK,PAGE OF CITATION ???!! FOR WIKIPEDIA THE SOURCES OF THE INFORMATION ARE NOT IMPORTANTS??? 4.QDM=קדם is aram,cnaan,ivrit,arab.IN SOS.DICT.CONCORD.pg.1000-2 in 170  PLACES IN THE TORA,HEBREW.TAURAarb. BOOK,THEORY TEACHING, LEARNING,LAW.RELATED TO ADONAI =DON spn.ital.port.DOMN roumanian=SIR,LORD,GOD.ONLY IVRIT,HEBREW.THE RELATION IS TO:WISDOM,WRITING,BEEING FIRST,GENESSIS,EST OF GARDEN OF EDEN.ALSO RELATED TO A  LION,KING,MAN WHO KNOW THE WRITING=EDUCATED,WISE.IN QADAMEI HACIMEIA קדמי חכימיא in Daniel 5:15 WISE MAN,EDUCATED,KNOWS THE WRITING.PESER MILTA פשר מלתא=MEANING OF WORDS.NO COMMENT!!! XI. QDM.wrt.aram.hbr. arb. קדם   فدم 1.GREEC PROBLEMA:KADMOS corel, to ADMES αδμές ,DMOS δμος =LE DOMPTEUR,VAINQUEUR=WINNER.TAMER.KADMO-GENIS=DESCENDANT καδμο-γένις .IN hbr. A DESCENDENT PROMOTE FORWARD, THE TRADITION,TORA,HEBREW THEORY(see T)grc.ba.pg.990. LEQADEM לקדם .KADMOS PROMOTE IN ELADA HIS ALPHABET,BUILDING IDEAS etc)A PROMOTEUR IS ALWAYS A WINNER.2.FURETTIERE 1690.Dict.Etym: ACADEMIE… QUELQUES UNS DERIVENT CE MOT DE CADMUS PHENICIEN PARCE QU’IL FUT LE PREMIER INSTAURATEUR DES LETTRES. ACADEMIA derived from CADMUS PHENICIAN=INSTALATOR(INSTALL.) OF ..LETTERS.NOTA:INSTALATORS LOVE TO BE PROMOTED,PROMOTION OF THEIR WORK=QIDUM, קדוםQODEM FIRST.קודם. 2.HBR.ARAM.ETYM.QDM.:IN 170 PLACES IN TORA,RELATED TO:ADONAI(HBR.GOD),WISDOM,WRITING,BEEING THE FIRST,GENESSIS,ORIGINE OF THE WORLD(HEBREW) S.Conc.Dict.Tora.1000-2 .a.ARET QADAMpg.1001.in Gen.25:6.ארץ קדם FIRST LAND,CREATION.b.ARAREI QEDEM Deut.33:15  הררי קדם  MOUNTAINS OF QEDEM(FIRST,FRONT) c.MIHOHMAT BNEI QEDEM=FROM WISDOM OF QEDEM’S SONS.I.K5:10. מחוכמת בני קדם ,BEN HAHAMIM ANI BEN MALKEI QEDEM=SON OF WISES,INTELIGENTS I AM SON OF KINGS OF QEDEM.Is.19:11 בן חכמים אני בן מלכי קדם. .d.QADAMAI HAKIMAIA.Dan.5:15.=WISES MANS WHO KNOW THE WRITING,MEANING OF THE WORDS. קדמי חכימיא...אשפיא דיכתבא..פשר מלתא..NOTA:WITHOUT TRANSLITERATION IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THE RIGT SENS:ASAFIA DICTAVA=MASTER OF WRITING..CHEF.PESER MILTA=MEANING OF THE WORD.PARES=TO EXPLAIN,COMENT.PRS. פרש CHRISTIAN EUROPE WAS SO WISE…IN SAYNG=PHARISEE.HYPOCRITICAL.HOW DARE THEY TO DIFORME A SIMPLE ANALYSIS OF A HOLLY BOOK WHO DID NOT BELONG TO CHRISTIANITY,ISLAM,JEW WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HEBREW??? e.QADMAIATA KEAREIA=FIRST LIKE A LION.Dan7:4. קדמיתא כאריא.In hbr.ARIE=LION,THE BEST,WISER,NOBLE ORIGINE.SURE BLOODY JEWS,JUIFS,EVREI,JUDEetc STOLED TH WORD FROM ARIAN CULTURE.(I HAVE AN ARTICLE) f.HAKIMEI BAVEL=WISE MAN OF BABILON(INEXACTLY)..BBL=BAVEL חכימי בבל. XII. CONCLUSIONS OF QDM: 1.QIDMAT EDEN=EST OF EDEN GARDEN, IN   FRONT, ENTRY.קדמת עדן2. QDM ALWAYS RELATED TO: FIRST,KING, SON OF KINGS, WISE PEOPLE, EDUCATED PERSONS, NOBLE. WHY EUROPEAN DICTIONARIES DON’T MENTION ALL I  WROTE ?? IT’S FORBIDEN TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW HEBREW??? HEBREW = AN IMPURE LANGUAGE?? IS QDM. CNAANIT. FROM CNAANIT YOU CAN SEE EASILY: P = Q = q.     D = Д  rus. Δ grc. M=μ.NOTA:IF THE ARAM-CNAN-EBREU MEDITERANA (H.inexactly) continued to write in this lovely,nice,beautiful letters we could read today CARTA EBRAICA,TORA,EVEN CORAN.IT’S NOT THE FAULT OF THE BLOODY “JEWS”ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE OF EUROPE STUPID AND BAD POLICY.3.P.S.:QADMOS OF SIDON(OLD “PHENICIAN” FENICIAN CITY) QADMEI   ŢIDON =FIRST OF TIDON(IMPORTANT MAN,ELDER).קדמי צידון TONY’S NOTES:IN CNAANI LETTERS I WROTE LIKE IN THE TORA.IT’S EASY ,SEE                            ΣΥΔοΝ = SIDON .NOTE:Ţ=TS= 3 ebr.hand letter=З rusian. Z rus=ZZ ital=TS ebr.Ţ.SO IF YOU WRITE WITH HAND LETTERS YOU SEE GRC=EBR=CNAANI. XIII. CONCLUSIONS: ANY PERSON BELONG TO A PLACE, COUNTRY. WE HAVE ARET QADAM ebr.= EASTERN COUNTRY, gen. 25. basel pg. 217. ארץ קדם XIV. QADAMA U. arb. Wehr. Dict. Pg.747 PRECEDE, ARRIVE, GO  BEFORE. TO GIVE PRECEDENCE ( DONNER, AVANCER, frnc) PREFACE  A BOOK (PREFACER UN LIVRE) ,TO PROGRESSE,APROACH,(APPROCHER frnc.sens COMPRENDRE)UNDERSTAND,ORDER.SUBMIT,PROMOTE.NOTE:ALL THAT WAS COPIED (COPY) FROM  THE QADAM-CADMOS  LETTERS+THE ARAM.CNAAN.EBREW KNOWLEDGE AND LATER ARAB KNOWLEDG IN CHRISTIAN EUROPE CULTURE.!!!NO ONE HAVE  MENTIONED EVEN  A SMALL ALUSSION TO THIS. Arab.W.Dict.pg.747.QAF,DAL,MYM.= QUF,DALET,MEM.EBREW. קדם  فدم YOU CAN SEE EBREW D=ARAB D REVERSED, M ARAB AS M EBR.HAND WRITING.Q  CNAANI,  ARB  LIKE q LATIN   .P, REVERSED. .arb.corel.ANCIENT,TRADITION,ETERNEL GOD.pg.749.قرئم2. QADIM QADUM AUDACIOUS,DARING,BRAVE,VALIANT…ALL IN QDM ebrew and     قروم3. CADMOS ACTION  IN ELADA-GRECE. QADUM ebrew=ANCIENT,OLD,FIRST. QDVM writen. קדום

4.qadam : foot, step, pace [qadama] Aze qedam, Hin kadm, Per qadam, Tur kadem, Uzb qadam borrowed from Ar qadama : precede [Sem q-d-m, Mal quddiem (before) Akk qadmu (former time), Heb qadam (before), Syr qedam, JNA qdm (proceed), BAram qadam (before), Ara qdm (upon), Sab qdm, Amh qeddem (earlier), Uga qdm] qaddama : introduce, offer [qadama] TONY’S NOTE:CADMOS INTRODUCED, OFFERED HIS WRITING SYSTEM IN GREECE,THE GREECS PROMOTED IN THE MEDITERANA,QIDMU ebrew. קדמו QDMV wrt.(tony) qadim qadim : ancient [qadama] Aze qedim, Hin kadim, Per qadim, Tur kadim, Uzb borrowed from Ar (ARAB ETIMOLOGICAL DICIONARY INTERNET.A.RAJKIS) NOTE:1.AED IS A GREAT DICTIONARY,SHOULD BE WRITEN ALSO WITH ARAB,EBREW LETTERS.MAY BE NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT QDM IS MORE THAN WIKIPEDIA WROTE IN CADMUS ETIMOLOGY. 2The arabic language is a greate language and I am SORRY BECAUSE OF THE ALPHABET I CAN NOT READ IT, WRITE IT. I AM SURE THERE ARE MANY WORDS AND CITATIONS OF QDM  AS  IN  EBREW. XV. DE ACUM  SI  PURUREA roumanian = FROM NOW AND TO ETERNITY. DE ACUM MULTI  ANI =  SINCE  MANY  YEARS  BEFORE. XVI.1. KAIDUAN chin.dict.berlitz.pg.169.=START,BEGINNING. 2.KAIDONG=WORK. 3.KAIDAO =OPERATE,PERFORME. KAIDAO + M= anagrama = QIDUMO read קידומוebr. HIS PROMOTION BECAUSE OF PERFORMENCE. XVII. QUIDAM latin Nadejde dict.pg.557.in CICERO:FUIT QUODAM TEMPUS = IL ETAIT UNE FOIS,ONCE UPON A TIME. QUIDEM, EQUIDEM CICERO, SO,FOR EXAMPLE,EVEN aram.KEMIADA,CEMIADA  כמעדא  LIKE FROM THIS. ADA aram.arab. DA german DU idis HERE,THERE.DAS=THE=DE read......so strange!!! XVIII. FINALS CONCLUSIONS:I DON’T HAVE!!! I WORKED MORE THEN 2 MONTHS ON THIS ARTICLE AND ACADEMIA FROM WIKIPEDIA. BOTH OF THEM ARE BASED ON FAIRY TALES,BOBE MANSES idis.PERSONNE NE S’EST DONNEE LA PEINE DE CONTROLER QUE VEUT DIRE EXACTEMENT QDM DUE A  L’INEXISTANT SEMITIQUE. NO BODY BOTHER TO CHECK  TOO  MUCH THE MEANING OF  QADAM.WE HAVE “SEMIT”WHO EXPLAIN “TODO”= ALL,ALLES... NO NEED TO SHOW ARAM,CNAAN,IVRIT,ARAB.??? EVERY WORD FROM GREECE,ROMA ...SACRADO,SAGRADO,SACRED... A SECRET,SEALED  BOOK!!!.WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH ALL THE FAMILY OF QDM ??? YOU WILL CONTINUE TO IGNORE THEM??? YOU REALY THINK I AM A STUPID LITTLE JEW BOY FROM BUCOVINA,MOLDAVIA WHO SPEAK BAD ENGLISH AND DARE TO GIVE YOU LESSONS IN  LINGUISTICAL ORIGINE OF ARIAN  MYTHS ?? I DON’T WANT TO CHANGE ANY THING OR THE WORLD.JUST TO PUT ALL I WROT AFTER YOUR EXPLANATION.IF YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC YOU WILL DO THIS.IF NOT....IT WAS A TRY.ONE DAY SOME ONES WILL READ MY LINES.TILL THEN JUST KNOW THAT WITH CADMOS THE SEMIT YOU “ HAVE INTOXICATED WITH DIRTHY IMPURE,BARBARIAN” ARAM CNAAN  EBREW ARAB  BLOOD  A  CULTURE  WHO IS  NOT  ARIAN ANYMORE.!!! MORE YOU WRITE WITH LETTERS NOT ARIANS ,YOUR RELIGION IS ALSO  A  COPY  FROM A “BLOODY  ARAM,EBREW” THEORY=TORA.tony.07.08.11.1.00.hr. P.S.:IN EBREW WE HAVE LAŞON QDUMA,CTAV QADUM = ANCIENT LANGUAGE ,WRITING. לשון קדומה,כתב קדום 11.08.11. ONLY FROM THAT YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGIN OF CADMOS,A EASTERN IMPORTANT MAN,WHO SPEAKED THE UNIC LANGUAGE OF TERRA THE ANCIENT GARDEN OF EDEN. 14.08.11.hr.15.40.buccharest.unirea. EBREW...NOT HEBREW.!!!! ABBREVIATION,LEGENDA:DIFICULT TO PUT APROX.1000 BOOK BIBLIO. 7.8.11.bucur(bucharest) uni(rea) area.14.hour writing. Engl.arb.hbr.ebr.itl.frnc.rus. .roumanian.=LANGUAGES.Dict(ionary).BAILLY.K(ing.tora.bible inexactly). AGAIN SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH.I STUDIED IN PARIS,NOT IN YALE. DON’T BE ANGRY,OR OFFENSED.!!! TONY DACCRE BARAT BUCHAREST 7.8.11.15.00. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elqana (talk • contribs) 15:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Cadmus' mythological chronology
So I'm not quite sure how to go about figuring this one out...the page does not cite sources well at all so fact-checking is a little difficult. Anyway, the story in this article goes that Cadmus slays the dragon and immediately thereafter pays penance to Ares and is given Harmonia as his wife. The story presented here makes both Dionysus, who is the son of Semele, and Pentheus, son of Agave, the great-grandsons of Ares, but this is clearly not the case in Euripides' Bacchae or in any other source I've come across so far. In that play, it is only after the death of Pentheus and the exile of Cadmus and his daughters from Thebes that Cadmus comes to wed Harmonia. Can anyone offer any help with this? Ben iarwain 05:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ok, learned that the theogony ll. 975-978 (And Harmonia, the daughter of golden Aphrodite, bare to Cadmus Ino and Semele and fair-cheeked Agave and Autonoe whom long haired Aristaeus wedded, and Polydorus also in rich- crowned Thebe.) supports the version in this article, but continue to wonder, then, about Euripides' changes to the story. suggestions? --Ben iarwain 05:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Euripedes is notorious for his adjusting myth to purposes of tragedy. Genealogies in Greek myth are rarely coherent: there are 'two' genealogies for Jesus of Nazareth. The habit of critical comparisons that comes so instinctively to us is a habit born of literacy, of comparing writings rather than living in the narrative moment, according to the Canadian Eric A. Havelock. --Wetman 07:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be interested to see evidence of other instances in which Euripides adjusts myth so readily. What struck me as especially curious is that this is, as far as I can tell, the only mention of this tradition.  Of course there are always variant traditions, but in those cases there are often, I've found (as in the case of Diodorus Siculus when discussing the geneologies of the gods, especially Dionysus), at least acknowledgements of various traditions in the primary sources.  Of course, there's no accounting for what we DON'T have - which texts, I mean.  In any event, I mean to say that while I can see where you're coming from with your notion of critical comparison being born of literacy, I don't understand what to do with it in a case like this where we are dealing with wholly literate people.  --Ben iarwain 08:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I have added an tag to this article. A number of arternative geneologies and chronologies are presented here, especially with regard to Cadmus' marriage to Harmonia, where he met her, etc., and yet there is not a single primary source cited. I am doing some work on this matter right now and will be adding the appropriate citations and primary source references as I come across them, for this article, as is (offering no references other than "see the Encyc. Brit. 1911"), is of very little use to anyone with a serious interest in sorting out the issues of chronology and geneology. I have added the same tag and similar comments to the article on Harmonia, so if there's anyone out there interested in taking on this project with me, I'd welcome the help! Thanks! --Ben iarwain 06:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If the paragraphs or sections are to be arranged thematically, i.e. "Founding Thebes" "Transformation" etc, I can help. If a "biography" is being constructed, I can't. Too bad about that "unreferenced" tag: the cure is references, not tags. --Wetman 11:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Not "controversial theories" at all
Some recent editing, which I bungled in my first attempt to unravel, is inventing "controversy" in the plain chronology of Cadmus, followed by Mycenaean Thebes, Trojan War and the post-Mycenaean introduction of writing (re-introduction, but ignore the limited Mycenaean use of Linear B) close to the time of Homer.
 * There are however 'recent' controversial theories, mainly Greek, to discredit Cadmus in the founding of Thebes or to the history of the Greek alphabet.

No, there's no "discrediting" in demonstrating that the myth of Cadmus predates the historic arrival of Phoenician letters.


 * These theories mainly try to set Cadmus' role in the "founding myth" of Thebes, placing him in the Mycenaean age, to claim that the alphabet arrived in Greece centuries afterwards

No, Cadmus just is the founding myth of Thebes. Are there any other feelings that this sequence of cultural events is unclear or hard to fathom?--Wetman (talk) 04:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Kadmus was a Phoenician prince a.k.a in modern day Lebanon and some parts of modern day Syria
Kadmus is the "PHOENICIAN" name of Kadmus, while Kadmos is the "Greek" and Cadmus is the Latinized version. If YOU have not come across it, due to whatever shortcomings in your research, it is YOUR problem. Just go to "any" respectable library or even online and search for the word KADMUS and you'll see your mistake.

Kadmus was actually a "Tyrian" prince, present day "Sour" in Lebanon, where a substantial percentage of the male population in that city alone has the surname Kadmus. How I may know you may ask? I AM FROM THERE!!!! At least 5 annual book festivals are named after Kadmus, the "bringer of alphabet to the world" as he is known in present day Lebanon (his home country).

Final note: The "modern" Greek (and their fans) have been on a rampage of discrediting all the sources of their "knowledge" which is traceable to earlier civilizations: from the discovery of PI, (which the Egyptians have been using millenia before the Greek), to the Archimedean screw (which the Babylonians were already using before Archimede's great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was even born!!).

The problem is that the Europeans owe their knowledge to the Greek, and hence dubbed their civilization as the greatest ancient civilization etc... which is a lot of CRAP!

This is problem is the same as the one where Christopher Columbus is credited to have "discovered" the Americas, as if the Incas, Aztecs, Toltecs, Olmecs, Mayans etc.. where just beasts foraging there.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdoumit (talk • contribs) 23:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There is myth. And there is history. Education's role is to teach us to distinguish them.--Wetman (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * While the poster is correct, that some Greek knowledge came from Mesopotamia and Anatolia, he fails to note that the original founders of Anatolian and Mesopotamian civilisations were Aryans who were from the Northern/Western Black sea area, who brought the horse, cow and metallurgy and ultimately civilisation to the great cites of Ur and Uruk from whence all other civilisations arose.--158.43.39.218 (talk) 09:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The earliest "Aryan" or Indo-European people in history is the Hittites, who appeared in 1500BC, 1000 years after the Semitic Akkadian Empire. Even the Hittites didn't bring much to Babylon other than looting the city, then left it. There were no Aryan civilization in Mesopotamia until the Persians, who owed much to the Babylonians. 210.19.13.194 (talk) 07:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I added Beekes' opinion about the etymology of the name Cadmus. Thanks to Wetman for writing a nice paragraph about the difference between the generally accepted phoenician origins of the greek alphabet and Cadmus' association with it. 87.202.21.104 (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Main picture
The new picture at the top of the article is hideous. The painting of Cadmus sowing the dragon's teeth was much better and should be put back in its rightful place. (Huey45 (talk) 09:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC))

Ares and Cadmus
I wish to present here to readers G. Roheim's discussion of the myth. What follows is to be found in his posthumous book Animism, magic and the divine king London Routledge 1972.

Ares is the great ancestral deity of Thebes or better of the theban royal family. Different explanations are given thereof as he is not considered Cadmus's father. One of these makes reference to his daughter Harmonia, issue of his marriage with Aphrodite, the ancestor of the clan (promater genous) and Cadmus's wife. The other version is connected with the killing of the dragon: dragons are usually the guardians of springs and Cadmus kills the dragon near a spring. One would expect the spring in question should be named the spring of the dragon or of the snake and it is with surprise that one learns its name: Areeia chreenee, spring of Ares. However as it is said that the dragon killed by Cadmus was named  drakoon Areos and was considered son of the god of war, one can start to suspect an original identity between this deity and the snake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrasto11 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It would be in harmony with the traditions to suppose that just as Cecrops, the forefather od the cecropides, and Erecteus, the forefather of the Erecteides,, are snakes, Ares, the god of the Theban acropolis should maniferst himself in the same zoomorphous aspect. Ares has a daughter, harmoia, who together with her husband Cadmus survives in dragon form in the Cadmean arx, because in Greece the killlers of dragons are often, normally, dragons themselves.(Roscher's Lexicon s.v. cadmus pp. 889, 890)

Ares though, being a sort of sublimated snake, survives the death of his animal alter-ego and orders cadmus to sow in the earth the teeth of the dragon. The resuklt is a new rank of antagonists for our hero. Men dressed in iron generated by the teeth of the dragon, spring up armed against him, and they are the forefathers of the Thebans. Names as Echion, son of a snake, Oudeus and Kronios, the men of the earth, show clearly the the origin of these beings. "they are the ritual or poetic epikleeseis of the snake god".( F. Schwenn loc. cit. p. 227) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrasto11 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The Thebansare the descendents of these snakesborn from the earth; they are descent of Cadmus, the sons of the god of warand at the same time the people of the snakes.

In a typicla myth of the killing of a dragon, the sequence of the events is as follows: the hero kills the dragon and marries the princess. In our case we would expect themarriage of cadmus and harmonia. This is in fact what happens, just only in a symbolic form. In fact to sow is only an euphemism for for coitionand procreation. (Schwenn loc. cit. p. 227; Usener kleine Schriften IV p. 191; Dietrich Mutter erde 1913 p.92). Instead of Harmonia we have the Mother Earthas a spouse of our hero. But is this a great difference? We aret old by pausanias that in the Theban acropolis ther wa the nuptial chamber of Harmonia and Semele and that in the abaton, together with the lightning stricken on the nuptial chamberof Semele there fell a piece of wood that Polydorus adorned with bronze and named  Dionysius Cadmus.( Paus. IX 12, 3; Harriso p.91).

In the Theban version of the myth, Semele is the daughter of Harmonia, which is anothe rway to tell that the two goddesses design the same divine being. But Semele is the Slavonic Zemljia; Lat. humus the earth(Hehn Kulturpflanzen und Hautiere p.465. Roscher s.v. Semele), and the sons of the teeth of the dragon the Sparti, are then the sons and and the enemies of the drago Cadmus. The fight between the two snakes is for Harmonia, the wife-daughter of the old d ragon.(Schwenn loc. cit. p. 229).

Betwenn cadmus and the Greek god of war we can find the same relationship between the young and old  Mars. In both cases the sacpegoat the vanquished god, is the old male of the primitive ord. But at Thebe where the snake fihgts agaist a snake we can go on. Indeed that the snake is the phallus is proved by plentiful details of Greek religion. Miss Harrison says: "the form assumed by the the traditional hero and the king is that of the snake and the snake is employed in the phallic ceremonies of fertility."(p. 268) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrasto11 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The god of war is incarnated in a spear: the high ranking officilas of thebe brought the dory (spear, rafter, tree) as a symbol of their office, (F. Schwenn Der krieg in der griechisch. Religion A. R. W. XX p. 299) Caddmus is a kadmos, a pole or a pillar of the temple (Idem p. 228), and both are snakes, i.e. phalli.

Who else, if not a phallic daimon, could be the right husband for the goddess of love, the beautiful Aphrodite?It looks that the Ibristikau, feasts celebrated in honour of Ares by man in female dress and women in male dress, were a marraige ceremony. At Troezen we find again that the god, whose temple was nearby a temenos dedicated to the daimones of birth, is closely related to sex. At Tegea we have an effigie of Ares Gynaikothoinas, Ares is banqueting with women. (Idem p. 234-5).

And the other god-spear, Mars?

"it looks the original root of the word was Mar or Mas, which designed the virle power of a generating deity".(L> PrellerRoem. Mythol. 1858 p. 296)

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the neclace of figs worn by the scapegoats must have a precise meaning. Figs were sacred to Dionysus Milichius (Athenagoras III), and sacred particularly to Priapus whose image was always made with fig wood(horace Sat. I 8). The fig was also closely related to the phallic Hermes and Cybele and the phallu of the dionysiac feasts was made of fig wood.(I. Murr Die pflanzenwelt in der griechisch. Mythol. 1890 pp.32-33). It is with branches of fig that the genitals of the fig-man were beaten, and his same name reveals him to be a living incarnation or personification of the phallus.

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Frazer remarks also the traces of a ritual of the scapegoat asoociated with the festival of the Nonae Caprotinae. The disappearence of Romulus happened in the Caprea palus  the marsh of the goats, a name that reminds the place where the women slaves performed their ceremonies near the caprificus the savage fig. The patricians inhumated his body cut into pieces, thus fertilising the earth, while his successors may have fertilised the women with the stick made of fig wood.

Frazer asks whether the king at rome may have undergone the same fatal role in fertilising the fig trees as in Greece the male visctim?

Since Romulus was weaned under the the ficus ruminalis and killed near a fig tree, one cannot avoid concluding that Romulus is the fig-man and rome the fig city (Frazer Scapegoat p. 259).

Another ceremony in which we have the concomitance of fig and goat was that of the Lupercalia.

On Feb. 15 two collegia the Fabiani and Quintilii performed this ritual starting at the grotto of the Lupercal where there was a spring dedicated to god Faunus. It was located close to the temenos of the goddess Rumina with the famous Ficus ruminalis. Faunus, whose image was located in the grotto, was the son of Picus, i.e. another name for Mars. Picumnus is in fact the protector of infants and of fertility as his brother and double Pilumnus. Faunus is the fertiliser of the local women.Aldrasto11 (talk) 08:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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Dragon or serpent?

 * The section Cadmus (in English) mentions a dragon several times. But in classical Latin and Greek times the words draco and δράκων meant "snake", "serpent"; the idea of what the word "dragon" means did not develop legs and wings and fiery breath until the European Middle Ages. The idea of dracones and δράκοντες as described in Pliny etc likely started from long-distance travelers' tales from India etc about big constricting snakes such as pythons. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:23, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

It says Cadmus was a prince of Phoenicia and of Greek Argive origin.
Is this an error? Even if Cadmus perhaps were Philistine, from that area of Phoenicia, and if it were the case that some of the Philistine settlers were Argives, i don't see that as making Cadmus originally Argive-too much would probably have changed in living in Canaan rather than Greece.Rich (talk) 18:12, 3 September 2021 (UTC)