Talk:Caesar salad/Archive 1

Anchovies and worcestershiresauce
The article states that the dressing does noet contain anchovies but worcestershiresauce. Shouldn't this statement be corrected too, as this w-sauce contains anchovies

Caesar Cardini did not like anchovies, but liked Worcestershire sauce. The sauce has a unique flavor that masks the anchovy taste, in addition to being slightly fermented. However, in future incarnations, anchovies were added because of the slight fishy taste of Worcestershire sauce. Also, the ORIGINAL Caesar salad recipe did use anchovy paste (made by Cardini's chef, Santini) that was applied to slices of bread (not croutons) and added to the salad later. This recipe was abandoned after the 1940's when Cardini gave up the Hotel Caesar in Tijuana and moved to Mexico city. By then, he was already bottling his recipe and not making the salad table-side except at his cafe in Mexico city. (69.231.55.90 (talk) 05:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC))

Today's bottled "Original Cardini" dressings
I'm looking at a bottle of the Cardini's "original caesar" dressing now, and it has anchovies as the third-from-last item on the ingredients. The reference to the bottled dressing not having anchovies should be addressed/corrected. I've never edited Wiki and don't want to mess anything up.
 * Hi, thanks for the info. I checked with the Cardini's website and you are indeed correct (I suspect this is via the inclusion of the ingredients for worcestershire sauce, but nonetheless the statement as written was wrong). In future feel free to be bold and edit! SeanLegassick 20:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't sure how to handle this edit, but since I have the original recipe from Caesar's Bar in TJ, I had to at least tack it on.

I'm a little concerned - you mention one must interrogate the server extensively, but give not tips on this, or on key points to look out for - some advice perhaps?2toise 09:22, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)


 * When you said "interrogate the server" I was thinking in technology terms and I didn't get it... dave 04:18, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Correct name
I have also seen the spelling Caesar Gardini, but google seems to say that Cardini is more common. Can the current spelling be confirmed? --Dori 04:32, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)


 * Well I know that you can buy Cardini salad dressing. It has a little picture of the guy, and a little history on the label about Caesar salad.  The dressing is spelt Cardini, although who knows, maybe the dressing used a different name for copyright reasons, and then that name caught on?  dave 20:45, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)


 * Not a big deal anyway I guess. ¬ Dori 21:04, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Caesar Cardini on this. eod, I suppose. -- any IP. 12:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Original recipe

 * Julia Child, who used to eat at the original restaurant in Tijuana when she was young, and confirms the recipe as being without anchovies, says that Cardini is the name of the inventor. Who wants to argue with Julia? [--Oop 07:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)]
 * Didn't look up, but think I remember she says something like "is generally credited with...". And, on the recipe, she refers to her mid-1970ies telephone talk with Rosa Cardini. any IP. 10:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides: J. Child reports ONE occasion, when she was with her parents in Tijuana in mid-1920ies, and was highly impressed by "Caesar" tossing this salad tableside. -- any IP. 12:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Authorship
The article Caesar Cardini claims the author was Caesar, not Alex. There should be some conformity - e.g., mentioning both hypotheses in both articles, and if possible, citing some source for each. --Oop 07:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For reducing redundance, it might be better to use something like "is generally credited with..." in the Cardini article and link to the salad article on the controversy. --any IP. 10:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * done. -- any IP. 12:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

From Linda Stradley's What's Cooking America:
 *  "Caesar salad was invented in about 1903 by Giacomo Junia, an Italian cook in Chicago, Illinois. Giacomo Junia was the cook in a small restaurant called The New York Cafe. He catered to American tastes as spaghetti and pizza in those days were little eaten by anyone including Italians. It is sometimes falsely stated that this salad was invented in Tijuana 

and
 * "Giacomo called the salad Caesar Salad after Julius Caesar, the greatest Italian of all time. . . . Junia never thought that the salad would be popular and was more surprised than anyone when people began to ask for it. Many itinerant cooks learned how to make the salad and soon it was made all over North America and even in Europe."


 * Linda Stradley also notes this to possibly (probably?) be a legend. any IP. 11:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I am doing research on this and making short clip videos for mobile content download. According to Jorge Chavez of the Hotel Caesar (a living link to the original Cardini family), it was Caesar Cardini's chef, Santini, who actually created the salad. Cardini took credit because it was his restaurant (which used to be at the corner of 2nd St. and Main in Tijuana, called "Caesars' Cafe", in 1924, five years before he built the Hotel Caesar). (69.231.55.90 (talk) 05:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)) - There are numerous documented accounts attesting to the fact that this salad was, indeed, invented in Tijuana, not Chicago. (69.231.55.90 (talk) 05:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC))

On Sources
This was&is meant to talk about sources not (yet) mentionned in the article, or on any doubts about sources which are already mentionned there. For both, I please suggest to talk on Talk:Caesar salad for a while. This Gordian knot of myth&truth will not be resolved soon (if ever), and therefore it seems more adequate to concentrate keen contributor's new found sources and opinions on just one place of the two in question. I therefore removed all non-article-quoted sources from this section, but kept the ones given below: -- any IP. 03:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Removed from article on 20070720:
 * Cardini's Dressings official site meanwhile is replaced by the reference http://www.marzetti.com/_admin/_includes/_NUTRITION/Cardini_Ceasar_Dressing.pdf --
 * Salad (Caesar) - A classic recipe, also notable in making use of the phrase ". . . à la Pete Townshend (without all the booze and deafness, of course)."
 * WP is, as I learned, NOT a how-to; there would be hundreds of interesting variations, so it's probably better to use none of those in the article.


 * Alton Brown's version - Alton Brown (of the cooking show Good Eats) provides this recipe that attempts to be true to the original. He also has a different recipe for the dressing with tofu replacing the coddled eggs here
 * as above.


 * Ensalada César at the Baja California tourism site (in Spanish).
 * A terribly awful Hotel's advertisement, dating the creation of the salad to 1940, when C. was in LA (and had already started his bottled dressing's marketing). Have thisone interred here, please! any IP. 15:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: In discussions, it seems more useful not to "hide" target URLs, as far as practicable. Best, any IP. 10:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Les Chat aimme beaucoup la salade césars avec beaucoup de vinigrette et kethup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.2.57 (talk) 17:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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This page must be moved!
This page has to be moved to Caesar Salad (Food). This is because there is now an article on Caesar Salad (Pokémon). When a user searches for Caesar Salad, he or she must be given the option between the food and the Pokemon character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PikachuSnowman (talk • contribs) 07:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ...is this a joke? A one-episode joke from an episode of Pokémon doesn't even merit a redirect. - A Man In Bl♟ck  (conspire | past ops) 07:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes it does! What if users search for Caesar Salad, Ann Chovy, and Tom Ato, looking for Brock, Misty, and Ash Ketchum? These are not nonsense redirects, as is noted on the pages themselves. They are redirects on Bulbapedia!PikachuSnowman (talk) 07:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that that's very likely, considering that the only people who would know of that joke watch that show, where the characters use their names regularly. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Pokemon is a multi-billion dollar franchise. Many people would know of those names.  They were used in the first season, when Pokémon was at the height of its popularity.PikachuSnowman (talk) 07:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In one joke of one episode in the first season. This is silly. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * These names are not mentioned only one time in that episode. If you know which episode of which I am speaking, the names must be quite popular.  However, if you have not yet seen the episode (It is a great episode!  It is released on DVD!) you cannot truly be aware of their importance!  I have requested the Tom Ato page for unprotection.  Please unprotect it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PikachuSnowman (talk • contribs) 07:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anyone else object to moving this to Caesar Salad (Food)?PikachuSnowman (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The Caesar Salad (Pokémon) page does not exist. Perhaps it has been deleted under our policies. Also, please review Naming conventions and Naming conflict. --Macrakis (talk) 22:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What would you suggest this article be renamed, if the Caesar Salad (Pokemon) was put back up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PikachuSnowman (talk • contribs) 18:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if Caesar Salad (Pokemon) is put back up, there's no reason to rename this article, which is by far the most common use of the term "Caesar salad". Compare Tomato, Tomato (disambiguation), Tomato (company). -- Coneslayer (talk) 18:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

"Trademarked the original recipe"
You can't trademark a recipe. Did the person who wrote this mean that the family patented the recipe, or that they obtained trademark protection for their brand name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.88 (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)