Talk:Café Procope

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Reference 10 about closing doors in 1874

 * Can not read French. Does this plaque say anything about oldest cafe /and or longest continuing cafe in the world? It is at Cafe Procope.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Typed this: plaque "Le Procope" "the oldest café in the world" into Google and got a couple dozen hits. --Doug Coldwell talk 20:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looked at Notes and Queries By William White for 16 Aug 1890 and it says: A note on this may be interesting as a rider to your notice of its impending disappearance, which is owing to the superior attractions of the Boulevard St. Germain and Boul' Mich cafes. It goes on to explain that Francois Procope opened his cafe in 1689 to seize the opportunity that a comedy theater was opening on that street. I don't see where it says it ever closed its doors in 1874 and reopened its doors in 1890. Can you point that out to me. Perhaps our article is mistaken or I just don't see it.--Doug Coldwell talk 21:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually looking further into this, it so happens that reference 10 in Café Procope says nothing of it closing in 1874. In fact as far as I can see it does not speak of Cafe Procope at all. Can someone point out to me where it talks of Cafe Procope or even Francois Procope. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 21:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I will be removing the below from the article since the references do not show this. Unless of course, someone can come up with better references that can actually verify these facts that it actually closed in 1870 and reopened around 1890.

In 1874, however, Café Procope closed its doors, seemingly forever.[10] Its impending disappearance occasioned a historical note in Notes and Queries 16 August 1890, but it soon reopened, now as something of a historical landmark, as Les Deux Magots would become. --Doug Coldwell talk 11:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed incorrect statements with wrong references since noone could come up with correct references to show this.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Who is M. Coquille?
The text reads, "M. Coquille, editor of Le Monde", but the Wikipedia article on Le Monde does not mention his name in its apparently-comprehensive list of the publication's editors ("directors"), nor does a google search turn up anything obvious in connection with "Coquille" and "Le Monde". Urgos (talk) 21:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Any record of visits by Dr. Guillotine?
In 1991 I had the pleasure of dining at Le Procope and part of the lore that we were told was that Dr. Guillotine had tested his new device extensively in the 1780s and provided the chef of the day with a steady supply of sheep carcasses. Can anyone else support or refute such a claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwmulholland (talk • contribs) 16:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Marie Antoinette
This statement: "Marie Antoinette and Napoleon are known to have frequented the restaurant," is highly dubious. At least on the part of Marie Antoinette. Upper-class women in the 18th Century could not patronize places of public accommodation, such as cafes and taverns, without damaging their reputation. Most such establishments barred women altogether (as the article mentions), lest they be accused of supporting prostitutes. A queen of France during the Ancien Regime would never be allowed, or likely wish to, visit such a place. Secondly, Cafe Procope could not be classified at that time as a "restaurant," as such public dining establishments didn't exist yet (the term "restaurant" wasn't even coined until the 19th Century). In its early existence, the cafe was simply a coffeeshop, not a place of dining. Finally, in light of these facts, no source is given to support the claim. For these reasons, I have removed Marie Antoinette from the article. Varuzo (talk) 05:14, 19 July 2023 (UTC)