Talk:Cake/Archive 1

The Cake
The Cake is a lie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bewarethecake (talk • contribs) 03:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC) That game lasted what, all of two hours? I think I finished it in a little less... I wish there were about seventy billion more levels. I liked the part with all the turrets in that big square room. ^^ 64.211.117.36 03:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The cake is a lie. --Surturz 00:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe a list of references to Cake in fiction is in order.71.228.228.6 23:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't. There are too many, and none of them are notable for cake. Cake is ubiquitous, and I suspect you are pulling our leg. Skittle 01:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The cake is a lie...
 * The cake is a lie...
 * The cake is a lie...
 * The cake is a lie...
 * Vechs (talk) 07:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I would go further and say that I believe a list of references to Cake as fiction is in order. --Surturz (talk) 04:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

History
Shouldn't there be a history of cake somewhere? Richardkselby 22:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hamsters
Cake known to cure anser in hamsters? That's surely a joke, I'm takng it out. And all the other random vandalism. Grim

Cake Storage
I don't think the section's a bad idea, but it seems way too terse, thrown in haphazardly into an otherwise articulate article. Also, is it just me, or does that tone ("should be") seem to go against NPOV? --JPM 07:01, 3 Jan 2006

cake

Disambiguation
There's a band called Cake, but I don't know anything about them. Can somebody put in something? -- Zoe
 * For information about Cake the band see Cake (band). User:JohnJohn

Cake is also a fictional drug, made up by controversial UK satirist Chris Morris, though probably not worth mentioning on this page. --?

Now that I think about it, cake has other meanings too. I'm going to create a disambiguation page. If you don't see me do it in the next few hours, I probably forgot. Someone else do it :) --Kat 13:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Links
Should we still have the cookbook link at the bottom? --Spikey 04:01, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone at some point said "no" and removed it. --Kat 13:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Cake Mix
Cake mix was a dead end page and nothing currently links to it. It should be incorporated here. BAxelrod 18:44, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I have not merged cake mix as of yet as there is no discussion on this. A separate page would be worthwhile if the history were explained more... it was barely just getting interesting!  For now, I've simply linked it from cake. --Kat 13:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I'd like to see the cake mix page expanded upon; but if no one's going to get it done then I agree that it should be merged with cake. --JPM 00:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

www.bakefun.com

Cake recipes
I won't be nearly as bold as to say something like, "Fie on Delia Smith, nobody cares what that woman is cooking," but I -will- be as bold as to remove that bit about her simple cake recipe. The Wikipedia is NOT a bloody cookbook (although I will be stealing that handy bit of information for cheating at any cooking classes I may or may not ever take). Plus, it may very well be copyrighted information, e.g., in one of her cookbooks. Cernen 12:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed, for the reasons you describe. However, if it was a standard and well-known in cake-making, I could see including it... as long as it was verfiable and didn't link gratuitously.--Kat 13:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I really don't see anything wrong about having a sample recipe on a page about a food. While some people check out this page to learn the academic science and history behind a cake, others may simply want to know how a cake is made (the process of which is extremely ambiguous on the current page). Copyrighted material should be respected, yet the basic cake-making procedure is NOT patented. An encyclopedia should not only be informative but practical as well.Chevrox 06:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As a matter of copyright law, a recipe cannot be copyrighted because it is a set of instructions. Descriptive text in a cookbook, however, is copyrightable, e.g. the history of a particular cake or how the author liked to bake the cake with her grandmother. 71.162.248.100 (talk) 02:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Unverfiable history
I've removed the history in the latest edit because it as very technical and had absolutely no references. There is little hope of finding the person who originally wrote this, with all the changes this page has gone through. If you are so inclined, please find the source and re-include, or rewrite the history with sources. I've also took liberties with organizing this page a bit better. Didn't change comments. Hope that isn't faux pas. --Kat 13:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

here is my site of cake recipes please include me on this wiki! http://www.bakefun.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.231.163 (talk) 21:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

What cake is this?
Could somebody add a description of the picture? Thanks, Scriberius 21:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The picture looks good enough to eat: let's add it to the article. I'll see if commons has more info for a caption. Jonathunder 23:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It looks like a napoleon somewhat, which isn't a cake. But I'm not certain. Luca 8:21 March 10, 2006 (EST)

I'd be willing to bet that that's a napoleon, the ising on the top is in a traditional napoleon design. Also, it looks very much like the standard layers of puff pastry and custard. In fact the only thing abgout it that's not napoleon-like is the fact that it appears to be wedge shaped rather than square. Nom Déplûmes 17:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It may look like a Napoleon, but thats the darkest Puff pastry I've ever seen. (I've made it myself from time to time) Are you certain that isn't a Torte? Magialuna


 * My God, all this talk about this slice is making me really, really hungry for some cake. More specifically some really creamy napoleon desert. Turbinator 19:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio removed
I have removed the entire history section as copyvio. It is a virtual cut and paste from this site: History of Cakes. If someone wants to recreate the material in a more appropriate way, that would be fine. Durova 09:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like some kind of pastry concoction to me. I would not class this as cake. Cake is either some form of sponge cake or fruit cake which can be filled, covered and decorated with icing. Lesley R. 10 July 2006

Quite possibly the stupidest well written article on wikipedia?
This article, although good for a laugh, needs to be cleaned up! I will begin working on it, and appreciate your help. --PabloMartinez 15:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This article has been messy, So I will clean the article anyways. Thanks. *~Daniel~* ☎ 01:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Sprinkles
I'm tempted either to remove the phrase 'also known as 'jimmies' in some parts of ...' or to add 'known as 'hundreds and thousands' in the UK' when sprinkles are mentioned. Any preference as to which? Skittle 15:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting that it is apparently 'done with voodoo' TheGrimReaper®™© 12:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Top Photograph

No offense to whoever uploaded the "Happy Birthday" cake at the top of the page, but that cake is what I would call, well, homely.

What in the name of...
What is with the vandalism on this article? Seriously, I do not understand why this article is even on Wikipedia. Di4gram 05:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I Like cake "Tails0600" 74.212.16.184 02:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Article should be locked
Shouldn't this article be locked to new users? It gets vandalized five times a day! Dfass 18:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

History of the Cake
It seems like a really good idea to have a section on the history of this food, and a section on different costumes. You would be surprised on how many types of cakes are there in different regions of earth. Upon opening this article my first thought was to look for the section on history. As I am all ways fascinated by the fact certain foods where invented or made. For example bread, someone just decided to take some corn, crush it, mix it with water and yeast, let it sit. Ugh... pasty hm, lets bake it. Cool. Now lets add sugar. Um, was drifting there. So I challenge us all to edit a good section on the history and tradition of cake. Anyone hungry for some cake now? Turbinator 19:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No entry on piping?
Is it me, or does Wikipedia not have an entry on bakery pipes? --24.249.108.133 20:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to pastry bags? --dm (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Cake decorating merge
I found this recently-created article on cake decorating with one author, Michael Prudhomme. Good start, though it needs some copy-editing, and possibly go under the main cake article. --Christopherlin 03:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the cake decorating article could stand alone. Right now, what bothers me is that most of it's references are commercial sites or puff piece articles. There actually is some serious research out there about food history, including cake decorating. Nightngle 18:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems too large to merge. I'd advocate leaving it separate, as is. --Quiddity 21:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge. The cake decorating article is not only better better, but larger than the Cake article itself!  not to mention also much more thoroughly referenced.  Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the merge notice. It's been up for six months, and has only garnered oppose's... the cake decorating article is long and well referenced, and deserves to stay separate. -- phoebe/ (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Curious About Vandalism?
I'm guessing it's lolicon-related? Check out 7chan sometime, it's the name of their loli board. I'm guessing nobody knew this, after reading over the page.
 * Actually I think it's a reference to Portal. Kflester 18:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Portal (video game) to be precise. It's a good game, but hardly worth vandalising the page over.. Cheez talk 08:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is when the cake is a lie User:Sakamura76.223.72.102 01:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not vandalism. It is telling the truth. The cake is a lie. --Surturz 01:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Cake flour
I find numerous websites and books that recommend using cake flour, and giving reasons.

It is not a "recipe" to point out the general recommendation and provide access to the reasons. I suggest that you provide information on the exceptions to the general rule instead of deleting my statment. Or edit my statement to satisfy your concerns, rather than deleting it. --Zeamays (talk) 18:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation, redux
This page still needs a disambiguation, as cake is also a band! 74.137.80.251 (talk) 00:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * By all means, be bold and add one! --Scheinwerfermann (talk) 00:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Music Group "Cake"
Ok, so I've only ever performed searches on Wikipedia, I've never posted or contributed.

Until now. I was looking for information about the band Cake, and all I found was cake as in Betty Crocker?! Where is the definition of Cake, one of the nation's greatest bands ever? Here is proof they exist ==> www.cakemusic.com. Come on, guys, how do we get them added?!

Seattlejen (talk) 20:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)SeattleJen


 * Never fear, there IS an article on the band: Cake (band). I've also replied on your talk page.  Joyous! | Talk 20:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The cake is a lie!
Does this page need a reference to Portal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigglesPiP (talk • contribs) 08:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I was going to say that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.53 (talk) 11:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does 67.168.213.174 (talk) 21:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe people'll stop replacing the whole thing with "the cake is a lie". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.124.126 (talk) 03:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Cake
I put that a common use of cake is to put it in someone's face for humour. This is a common practice and is different than putting other foods in someone's face. For this reason it is noteworthy. It has been removed for reasons which seem to change. Often in weddings during the cake cutting the bride and groom will put a little cake on each others faces. This would not be considered the same if they were to use any other part of the wedding dinner. It is not like I am just naming places you can shove a cake on someone's body. This is a real thing. Please discuss. MajorAwesome (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good start. Now if you (or anyone else, for that matter) can provide encyclopedic documentation of this, published in a reliable publication, we can think about how we want to convey the material on Wikipedia as well.  Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 21:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Cheesecake
Cheesecake doesn't really belong here. It's a pie, it's only a "cake" etymologically. Might as well put yellowcake uranium on here. CaptainButtercup (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Lead image
, please don't take offence at my having moved your image and supplied and inserted a lead image that is significantly more illustrative. Your image shows a whole cake — a very pretty one, to be sure, certainly worthy of inclusion in the article — but we know it's a cake under the frosting only because the caption says so. Because the cake in my image has a slice out of it, we can see the exterior and the interior. We can actually see the cake part of the cake in my image, and that makes it a better selection for the article's lead image. That doesn't mean my image is objectively better or yours is objectively worse, just that mine's more appropriate as a lead image. Please keep in mind that it's neither coöperative nor appropriate to reinsert your own image just to have your image at the top of an article. Let's all work together to make this article the best we can, eh? —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 04:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

summary
I realize wikipedia loves being exhaustive, but the summary is filled with so many exceptions it's almost impossible to read. how about simplifying the description and move all the alternative ingredients further down in the article? 68.180.38.23 (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * Not Moved. Station1 (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Cake → Flour cake — This article should be moved to Flour cake or Cake (flour). Cake should link to Cake (disambiguation). There is such a diverse range of meanings for the word cake it seems wrong to link it to the stereotype. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose This is exactly what I would expect to find when searching for "cake". If I'm looking for cheesecake, the band CAKE, fireworks, geometry, or whatever, I will search for other terms or expect to have to go to a disambiguation page. Similarly, while I imagine Dollhouse (TV series) sees more traffic than Dollhouse, I would not expect to be presented with a disambiguation page when searching for the latter. — INTRIGUE B LUE (talk|contribs) 03:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - currently at clear primary topic. Knepflerle (talk) 15:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The current article is at the primary meaning of the word - indeed, I've never seen a cake referred to as a "Flour cake".  Cake (food), perhaps, if disambiguation is necessary - but, IMO, it isn't. Tevildo (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - clear primary term. Other uses exist, but they're so specialised that they don't cause any confusion. Totnesmartin (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Assent: flour cake sounds tasty. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - for all the same reasons already given. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose, what about flourless chocolate cake? Abductive  (reasoning) 04:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Never heard anyone refer to cake as "flour cake". --DAJF (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose if it's the stereotype, it's the expected form. 76.66.194.183 (talk) 03:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Strawberry cake image
The caption for the strawberry cake photo says it is garnished with cucumber. I seriously doubt it. 1) it looks like green apple, not cucumber. 2) Cucumbers are rarely if ever used to garnish cake. Could someone with edit powers correct that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.16.158 (talk) 22:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The user (User:Kcdtsg) who created the image wrote the caption. Yes, it does look more like a green apple. It might be better to discuss this on his talk page or the image's talk page. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes and, the image's talk page says the caption discussion belongs on the page itself. How about someone just fix it? It's clearly apple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.128.69 (talk) 04:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Lkredhat, 15 May 2011
Description of cake flour (Section 4) is incorrect, as are several of the footnotes.

The incorrect sentence is:  However, cake flour is generally not considered mandatory for good results, and its effect on the cake's texture can readily be simulated by adding corn starch and/or baking soda to all-purpose flour.[2][3][4][5][6]

Here is my suggestion which I think is closer to being correct:  Many recipes are designed to be successfully made with all-purpose flour rather than cake flour. However, if cake flour is called for, a good substitute can be made by replacing a small percentage of all-purpose flour with cornstarch. Footnote should be Joy of Cooking, using the link I post below.

Here's the explanation-- z —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkredhat (talk • contribs) 09:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC) There are two confusions here: baking soda is not baking powder; and self-rising flour is not the same as cake flour or a cake flour substitute.

Self-rising flour--which is widely used in the South for baking--is made by adding baking powder to flour. Several of the footnotes connect to links (mostly on cooking.com) that describe flour with baking powder added as "cake flour." It is actually a homemade self-rising flour.

Cake flour is in fact a low-gluten, high starch flour with no leavening ingredients added to the flour itself. Therefore, its effect is simulated by replacing a small amount of the all-purpose flour in a cake recipe with cornstarch, which has no gluten.

My source is Joy of Cooking, page 547:

Joy of Cooking, chapter on Know Your Ingredients--Flour

But you could easily find the same information in a Marion Cunningham book, or probably even Fannie Farmer.

I realize this is a discussion of cake flour, rather than cake itself, but I would hate to see someone make "cake flour" using one of the links, and then using the result to bake a cake. Yeech!

BTW, I believe Joy of Cooking also references 3 basic types of cake: butter cakes (leavened with baking powder and possibly with egg whites), sponge and angel cakes (leavened with egg whites rather than chemical leaveners), and chiffon cakes (leavened with whipped eggs whites with oil added). They also have a section for "quick cakes" (generally made in 1 bowl without extensive beating) and tortes (often essentially sponge cakes with ground nuts rather than flour). But it is true that it can be hard to define cakes since there's an exception to almost all definitions!

Okay, back to the kitchen

Lkredhat (talk) 09:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)lkredhat

Lkredhat (talk) 09:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Bility (talk) 20:12, 17 May 2011

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Cake as food
I would generally consider cake a non-food, thus I believe starting by saying it is a type of food is misleading. It should simply start by saying: "Cake is typically a sweet, baked dessert. Cakes normally contain a combination of flour, sugar, eggs, and butter or oil......".

Nutritionally speaking, a product comprised largely of sugar and fat cannot be considered food.

I have not made the change myself as I feel others may like to discuss, as my opinion may be overridden by the majority.



Cheers! James —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.97.236 (talk) 10:19, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This seems like a bizarre notion - the definition of food is, according to Wikipedia, "...any substance or materials[1] eaten or drunk to provide nutritional support for the body or for pleasure". Most people eat cakes for pleasure...don't you? 81.149.162.169 (talk) 11:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's not food, then, what is it? Of course it's food! Food is not limited to stuff that's good for you, especially since what's good for you is debatable. Prtwhitley (talk) 06:50, 12 January 2011

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I do not know what gives you the idea that cake is not food, unless your cakes are a type of medicine. They are definitely not drinks and they are,for the main part edible - ergo,they are food. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Can I also say that cakes may not be, nutritionally speaking, largely fat and  sugar. I expect that there are some cakes - such as tea cakes  - where the prime carbohydrate would be starch, not sugar, and that different types of cakes would have many other ingredients in them - such as currants,sultanas, raisins, ginger, fruit such as apples or - in the case of carrot cake  - carrots. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Popularity of different types of cakes
The Radio Times for March 12-18 2011 published a list of the most popular cakes (according to a survey) in the United Kingdom.The ten most popular cakes were, in order:

1. Carrot cake 2. Chocolate cake 3. Lemon drizzle cakeI 4. Fruit cake 5. Victoria  sponge 6. Coffee and walnut cake 7. Coffee cake 8. Brownies 9. Ginger cake 10. Chocolate fudge cake

This information might be useful to put in a section on the popularity of different cake  types. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thinking about it, it would probably be better if the information went in List of cakes. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Final sentence of first paragraph
I think that the first paragraph of this article is quite good save for one thing - its final sentence. Saying that cake making is no longer complicated and that now, even the most amateur of bakers can bake a cake to me sounded as if it is making Wikipedia less an encyclopaedia than a how-to manual, a soapbox or even an advert - thing that go against what Wikipedia is not (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not). I shall appreciate feedback from others, but I wondered whether the style could be tamed a little. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 13:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Section on "History" needs a good edit
The section on "History" needs a very thorough tidy up. For a start, it says that differences between "pizza" and "pizza" are easy to find - what planet was the person who wrote that living on? In any case, pizza is not a cake. This seemed to have little to do with the history, and I attempted to tidy this section myself with some information from:

http://www.devlaming.co.za/the-history-of-cakes

which is much better source of information on the history of cakes. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok i went through and tidied up the history section as best as I could, considering it sounded like a 8 year old wrote it. I also changed your source to a reference, you can also do it as a link by adding this

to the end of the sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkStraw532 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks, I had just seen that there had been a lot of edits to the section on history tonight (All Soul's Day 2011) so that is a good sign  - at least we are not going to be in for the nonsensical statements about pizza being easy to confuse with pizza any more! Again, many thanks for your help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I just have had a quick look at the section on "History" and would like to say that it looks much, much better now - so many thanks to who ever did the important edits there! Thanks a million, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:06, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

This looks quite a good website, which might have quite a lot of information which could be added to the "History" section:

http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodcakes.html ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I just thought I would give a little more information to the history section, based on this website:

http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/main/cookies/cakes/glossary.asp

However, I have just noticed that contradicts what is already in the article. The website I quoted there claims that the technique of whipping eggs to make cakes rise originated in the nineteenth century, but the article also says that this technique goes back to the Renaissance, and is of Spanish origin. If any one knows which is correct, I shall be grateful if she or he could sort this one out. Many thanks, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 February 2012
the line, cake is a form of bread is incorrect, please alter this to prevent the impressionable from being misinformed. Thanking you kindly. James Alexander Macpherson-Wood I

Woodjamesthefirst (talk) 20:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Madeira cake
Towards the bottom, we say that special occasion cakes are often rich fruit cakes or madeira cake (which is true), but then the brackets say that madeira cake is a fatless sponge (this is not true). The type of madeira cake which is used as a special occasion cake, in place of a rich fruit cake, is like a victoria sponge recipe but with more flour (so it is denser and firmer) and, properly speaking, lemon zest. A fatless sponge would be totally unsuitable, as it is light and squishy. The easiest solution is just to take that parenthetical statement out, since madeira cake is wikilinked. 86.140.54.3 (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – I've removed the parenthetical bit. Thanks! Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

'Of Viking Origin'
It's a rather bizarre statement to say that the word cake is of 'Viking' origin. Viking does not refer to a group of people, or a language. It was essentially a profession, and not an ordinary one at that. A more neutral word should be use, like Nordic, or Scandinavian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.96.88.65 (talk) 04:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

New Image
I would like to suggest adding a new stump to this article. Specifically, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CakeDecoration.jpg shows a nice photo of a decorated cake. I'm sure there might be better photos out there, but I feel this would be a nice addition until better photos arrive. Unfortunately, I do not have adequate credentials to add the photo now. Please add this photo to the article if you feel it helps at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitz000 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Nice photo by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raljarf (talk • contribs) 10:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

stump cheese cake
i would like to suggest that the cheesecake part of this entry be edited to read, "cheesecake is not actually cake but a [custard] [pie]." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themangospanker (talk • contribs) 04:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree and so does, apparently, Alton Brown who could easily be considered an expert in this field. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycxKlc4aYy0 Starting at around 1:35 he explains how a cheesecake is not a cake at all but a custard or a custard pie. 66.57.255.226 (talk) 03:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Rose Levy Beranbaum also discusses this in The Cake Bible.Patrick Colvin (talk) 06:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

On the discussion page for cheesecake, the user Whothehey says "Cheesecake is not custard pie - it is a type of torte. A torte is a rich cake made with many eggs and often without flour, and will often be layered or encrusted with crumbs of one sort or another, or nuts. Cheesecake is properly made in a springform pan, and if baked properly will not crack, and a water bath should not be necessary. If what you think of as cheesecake is more like a custard pie, then it's not cheesecake. The definition of "cake" is not "a chemically risen flour-based dessert." That's only one type of cake. A torte is not a pie." Kazimir9 (talk) 06:11, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Torte" is a word with many definitions. Linzertorte does not fit Whothehey's definition. Nor does Dobos Torte. A cheesecake is a custard pie by every useful definition. Patrick Colvin (talk) 17:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, maybe not. You can make a cheesecake with no crust.  Under that system, it would then be a custard, but not a custard pie.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Totally with you here. Patrick Colvin (talk) 21:58, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry but you're all wrong, Torte is German for pie, it's the origin of the English word...und ich lieben Torte!!! Sean R. Kurth (talk) 00:24, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Cake as a dessert?
The article had cake as a dessert, which I thought was odd. Certainly you could press a cake into service as a dessert if you didn't have any actual pudding, but usually only a gateau type cake would pass muster in that capacity. Cake is usually eaten at tea or on its own, surely? I mention this because my edit was reverted by someone who thought I was kidding her about it, so I thought I might canvas opinions (not take a vote!)DavidFarmbrough (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC).
 * David I'm always open to persuasion, and I'm glad you opened a discussion here. When I saw your edit summary I could hardly believe it. First of all, in the U.S., there is no "at tea" such as the break at around four in the afternoon in England. Second, cake is just one of many sweet things that people might select or serve as a dessert in the U.S., and there are many kinds of cake (the word "gateau" is simply not heard here). In the U.S., pudding (chocolate, vanilla, butterscotch, rice) is also a dessert. Perhaps by pudding you are thinking of something else, and perhaps we are dealing with a culinary/cultural difference here. - CorinneSD (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Corinne has asked me to comment. Yes, cake can be a dessert or an indulgent snack, especially at teatime. Rothorpe (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Major edit of intro
I just made some significant edits of the intro, which made a lot of unsupported and to me odd claims. My claims are also unsupported, but I have tried to reduce the claim 'footprint' and address some issues raised in talk sections above.

An example is the opening claim that cake is a bread or bread-like food, which was challenged above and received the response that a change would require supporting references. But the original claim was also unsupported or at least unelaborated. The basis of the original claim seems to be that cake is typically a baked good based on flour. In which case perhaps the opening sentence should be that cake is a baked good based on flour, rather than "cake is type of bread"?

Another example is a sentence about how modern equipment makes even elaborate cake means 'even the amateur cook' can make cakes. At first I just changed the 'magazine-y' tone of this to say that modern appliances and equipment make many aspects of cake making easier. But then modern appliances and equipment make pretty much everything easier, does it need to be said?

I think the intro definitely needed major changes, and so I just decided to be "bold". No doubt there'll be reversions and objections and additions - great! Faff296 (talk) 08:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I did return the last para since considering how much easier electric mixers have made cake making it seems reasonable. I am wondering where you get that  cakes share anything with pastries, meringues, custards and pies?  Actually, this article is pretty poor throughout and filled with copyvio.  BTW, good for you to give a go at some changes! Gandydancer (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Significant edit request
I am completely unsure how to go about suggesting an edit, so I'll just give it a whirl here. Feel free to message me with pointers, they would be appreciated.

I think the intro to the History section is kind of odd. The first sentence is clear enough; however, "cake" is not a 'term', it's the actual word used for the object(s). A term is not necessarily the primary word used for something but rather a secondary referent. This is weak beer though, just sounds over-analytical to me. I agree with one of the posters above about the Viking reference as well. Perhaps a better construction of this second sentence could be "The word itself is of Nordic origin, from the Old Norse word "kaka". Additionally, whilst I can't find evidence for this, I am unsure about this claim; the Old Norse word "kaka" has contemporary cognates in the other Germanic dialects, so I find it a little questionable as to whether we can attribute it to just one of them, in this case, Old Norse. It is certainly possible though, and this is also a trifle in my opinion. Maybe to be slightly more general, it could read "The word is believed to derive from the West Germanic *kokon, possibly related to Latin coquere. Cognates in other Germanic languages include German Kuchen, Dutch koek, and Norwegian kake." This sentence can be cited then at http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cake.

The second paragraph is fine as it is. It's the third paragraph I have a few issues with: "The Greeks invented beer as a leavener, frying fritters in olive oil, and cheesecakes using goat's milk.[4] In ancient Rome, basic bread dough was sometimes enriched with butter, eggs, and honey, which produced a sweet and cake-like baked good.[3] Latin poet Ovid refers to the birthday of him and his brother with party and cake in his first book of exile, Tristia.[5]"

The first sentence makes no sense in this context. It's more a statement of historic fact, but has no relationship to cake. If the focus of this sentence is on "frying fritters" and "cheesecakes" then fair enough, but the lead-in made me read the sentence five times, asking myself each time what the heck beer as a leavener had to do with anything. For some reason, in my ear, leading this sentence as "It is known (or documented) that Greeks used beer as a leavener..." The second sentence is fine as written. The third sentence is written in an over-formal manner, making it read oddly; and there is no such thing as a Latin poet, but there were Roman poets, and Ovid was one.. I would suggest rewriting this as "In his first book in exile, Tristia, the Roman poet Ovid recounts a birthday party for him and his brother, mentioning cake."

That's it for now. This is my first edit request, or discussion at least. Thanks. AndrewCLivingston (talk) 00:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Frozen Cakes?
What about frozen cakes, in particular 'combination' type cakes with ice cream layered into (between) cake layers? Principally 'pre-prepared' for sale, but sometimes homemade. Specifically made to be eaten 'cold'! 66.81.252.30 (talk) 22:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2016
Under subhead "Varieties," entry "Butter Cakes," first line, change "four" to "flour," as in, "Butter cakes are made from creamed butter, sugar, eggs, and flour." 71.198.244.91 (talk) 17:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Not to be confused with cookie
Is cake really going to be confused with cookie? Olidog (talk) 18:07, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2018
Some cake has flavor added from the blood of fish, and human. 24.5.57.76 (talk) 09:28, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry - that would require a reference. Vsmith (talk) 14:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018
Please write you can make cake at home and there can be egg free cake also vegan cake 86.19.189.127 (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 17:52, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2018
"Highly decorated sponge cakes with lavish toppings are sometimes called gateau; the French word for cake."

Could you replace the semicolon with a comma? "the French word for cake" is not a complete sentence, so it shouldn't be linked with a semicolon. 208.95.51.53 (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2018
"In its oldest forms, cakes were modifications of breads, but cakes now cover a wide range of preparations that can be simple or elaborate, and that share features with other desserts such as pastries, meringues, custards, and pies."

Can you change the first piece to "In their oldest forms" ? This part is singular, while the rest of the sentence is plural. 208.95.49.47 (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Unlock please
Is cake really such a controversial topic that it requires the page to be locked??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.11.225.146 (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  02:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Are accounts so hard to make that you don't have one???

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2019
can i please edit 174.64.101.226 (talk) 22:40, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. NiciVampireHeart 22:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2020
103.142.69.77 (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EiOayX0VSU&t=21s
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Seagull123 <b style="color:#304747"> Φ </b> 17:45, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Science
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Thank you Jejstefsushsv (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Well talk page alsome Jejstefsushsv (talk) 16:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2021
i request to edit Dogbrowniecatdolphin (talk) 18:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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