Talk:Calabasas, California

Early comments
Is the term McMansion really appropriately used here? The entry page for McMansion itself states that it is a pejorative term.

Is it really a "facist" [sic] city? According to some, yes. For instance its anti-smoking law, while cute, is ineffective and a total waste of police time and municipal money. A direct quote from a local cop: "The way it's written, if someone is bothering you with cigarette smoke and they ask you to put it out, if you do NOT put it out, they can call the cops on you.  In REALITY, you can smoke three packs, blow smoke directly in their faces, knock off a liquor store and be in Mexico by the time we bother to respond to that call.  We have criminals to catch."

This run-on sentence doesn't make any sense: "While Calabasas is oftentimes considered similar to its neighboring two cities to the west (Agoura Hills and Westlake Village, which is a trio that can be compared to the Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena area) because of similar demographics, size (physically and population, save Westlake), geography, and low-density general plans, Calabasas is unique from these two for the above things as the two other cities have none of the above features."

Who cares if it's runon? It's inaccurate not only in its misstatement, but also in its content. Calabasas is bordered on the EAST by Woodland Hills. Further, neither Woodland Hills NOR Topanga are incorporated cities; they are each part of Los Angeles City and Los Angeles County, respectively, therefore neither have a general plan which can be compared to Calabasas at ALL let alone in specifics... they do not exist. Our citizenry is NOTHING like that of Woodland Hills OR Topanga in education, income or size... nor is our topography nor our circulation nor any other factors common in Planning. Further, it is 21 square miles, never has been 13 square miles. At incorporation it was 17 square miles and subsequent annexations brought it up to 21. Who writes this compilation of complete misinformation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dulchenea (talk • contribs) 16:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Incubus
shouldn't they be put under notable people? Annonymous 7:39 Pm 5-15-07

Cleanup
I did some major reformatting, cleaned up some runon sentences and general problems. However, a picture would be really appreciated, and since I don't think I have any, I'd appreciate if someone would upload one. Arspickles17 10:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

McMansion is a PERFECT term in describing the houses in Calabasas. I live there; I know. Guess what: Living there hardly qualifies you as a land use expert. Your OPINION has no business here.

I added some wording to clarify the McMansion thing. I also fixed the run-on sentence above.

PS: I used to live there too (and WLV and TO), but we have to be NPOV here! Henitsirk 02:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

"McMansion" or "mansionization" refers to the sprawling homes that are placed on landlocked parcels originally meant for hunting cabins. You may live here, but I was Clerk its first six and a half years. It is not now nor ever was meant to refer to the general size of the common homes. One's opinion, the other's a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.85.15 (talk) 21:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

No more talk of Geography should be made unless it is by someone who not only knows what they're talking about, but can cite sources. ~Me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.174.187 (talk) 10:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Howie Mandel lives in Hidden Hills, a separate, adjacent city.

Why was this ever allowed in there? "t has been widely criticized for being the residence of a number of wealthy and famous people." Are you kidding me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.151.109.199 (talk) 23:38, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone who didn't log in vandalized that sentence on February 13th. I have restored it to agree with the cited Los Angeles Times article.—Stepheng3 (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Restaurants
Advertising has no place on this site. This entire section should be deleted.

Notable Residents
I suppose you can get away with listing Kim Kardashian as a notable resident, but are her half sisters Kendall & Kylie Jenner really "notable residents" - and for that matter can children be "socialites"? 121.73.7.84 (talk) 10:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Can someone please stop removing Jeffree Star from notable residents...he literally states that he lives in Calabasas all over his snapchat...STOP!!...please JakeWakeman (talk) 01:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * What's "snapchat"? Magnolia677 (talk) 01:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Check Snapchat. Jeffree Star says so on Twitter, too. Model & actress Kristina Pimenova lives in Calabasas as well. Lyrda (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Photo
Not sure exactly what you wanted a photo of, but here is a photo taken in Calabasas.

And since I live near Calabasas, I can take other photos if you want.

--Ppelleti (talk) 07:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

And here are a couple more photos.

--Ppelleti (talk) 00:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and added these photos to the article. Therefore, I'm removing the "reqphoto" tag from this talk page.

--Ppelleti (talk) 01:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Communities
The section on "Communities" doesn't make much sense, and is completely unsourced. Is there a way to improve it? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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Notable people
In view of this edit, I am asking for input. WP:USCITIES is merely an essay, and doesn't seem to be applied consistently, especially in towns like these with many celebrities. The section on notable people is here and has no abbreviation.

What is 'a significant amount of time', for instance? What if they move away a week after birth? Are we going to prune all these lists or does the essay only count for people we don't like? Lyrda (talk) 22:18, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Btw, many celebrities listed here as living in Calabasas, seem to be living in Hidden Hills at the same time. But that list is sourced, this one isn't. Lyrda (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Cities/US Guideline is a guideline. Guidelines are created though the consensus of many editors.  As such, deviating from a guideline means making an edit which is contrary to a pre-existing consensus.  A good reason here on the talk page would be needed for that.  Also, in my experience editing many US towns and cities, a "significant amount of time" generally means growing up in a place, or living there for at least a decade.  Any editor who disagrees with a guideline is free to propose changes to it.  I'm uncertain why you commented "people we don't like".  If you feel an editor is targeting you there are many avenues of dispute resolution available.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:41, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This page is an essay on style. It contains the advice and/or opinions of one or more WikiProjects on how to format and present article content within their area of interest. (...) This advice page is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline Lyrda (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Nowhere does the essay say that it means 'growing up in a place', but if that were the criterium, then the person you removed should be included because she is doing exactly that. And many others should be removed, as they only moved there recently as adults. Lyrda (talk) 23:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Speaking about these edits, there are two things. (a) Lyrda removed completely unsourced BLP-related content. If anyone wants to challenge her edits, please provide some sources to justify re-inclusion of these people into the page. This is your responsibility. (b) The real question is very simple: did edits by Lyrda improve the page? She/he removed, for example, Jenifer Lopez. Well, I know very little about her biography, however, her WP page does not mention Calabasas. This is an improvement until someone demonstrated otherwise with sources. My very best wishes (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A cleanup of any notable people section is always welcome. Thank you Lyrda!  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I think I've got all the errors out now. A bunch of those remaining have only lived there for a couple of years though, so we still need to decide where the line is. Lyrda (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline telling others of this discussion. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:24, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Good idea. Lyrda (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * No sources were provided for any of these changes. This stinks of point. I've reverted them. Let's let another editor clean them up. As far as the main point of this discussion, I'd oppose the inclusion of any minor in a notable person's list on a settlement article (any minor, any settlement) without super solid, impeccable, and widely read sources stating unambiguously that she lives there. It makes no sense to tell people where a notable, but not Uber - famous, CHILD lives. Keep in mind this is one of the most widely read website in the world. If you doubt my thinking here, search the kid's name on Google images with safe search off. After you lose your lunch, rethink how much we should tell people about a child. John from Idegon (talk) 04:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The information is on her Facebook page, which is millions of times more widely read than this Wikipedia article. There are pictures on her Instagram account, and it's also in public records. -Lyrda (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ken Jeong
His name was removed several times but he does seem to live here according to various realty sources as well as Spokeo. Almond Plate (talk) 21:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:RS and WP:OR. TJRC (talk) 19:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have always found Spokeo to be quite reliable but third-party reviews are mixed, so I won't use it as a source. That's why I posted here, we need to find a better one. WP:OR doesn't apply as looking for sources isn't very original. Almond Plate (talk) 10:51, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:BLPPRIMARY: "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses." WRT Spokeo as a reliable source, see the discussions on the Reliable Source Noticeboard, here ("Not reliable: no exercise of fact checking"). And looking a person up in a directory to obtain information that has not been elsewhere reported is exactly what WP:OR is about. TJRC (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you are arguing. It would be nice to see a positive contribution by you for a change, for instance a better source? Almond Plate (talk) 08:09, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've been editing for more than ten years, and have made tens of thousands of edits, including creating dozens of articles. I don't think my record is at issue. But more to the point: removing unsubstantiated claims, as here, is a positive contribution. It's adding those unsubstantiated claims that is not a positive. TJRC (talk) 17:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a listing for the residence of celebrities unless there has been media coverage for a notable reason. Please take a look at WP:LISTPEOPLE. The people listed sometimes were born and grew up in the community. Others have made a special contribution such as working with the youth or funding a civic building. For a celebrity to have one of their residences in a certain community is not notable and does not belong in the Notable people section. Fettlemap (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * True, but Ken Jeong is considered notable. Almond Plate (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not about the notability of the person but of the notability of their connection to the community. Please read my previous comments. The minimum is to be notable enough to get a article. Where they live does not provide a notable connection to the community especially when the media has not reported on it. One mention somewhere does not make a notable connection to the community for listing as Wikipedia is not a listing for the residence of celebrities. Fettlemap (talk) 20:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Facebook
TJRC, not the search, but the specific result that it makes show up is what should be examined for reliability. In this case, the location entered by the owner of a verified page, is considerd reliable per WP:SELFSOURCE. We don't apply double standards where this doesn't count for people you dislike. If it's good enough for Lee Goldberg, then it's good enough for Kristina Pimenova. Almond Plate (talk) 17:21, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , please clarify what you're talking about? Wikipedia isn't ran by hard and fast rules, nor by precedents. Decisions on content are reached here, on article talk pages, usually as a part of WP:BRD, and they are reached by consensus. You begin a consensus discussion by stating the issue, usually by providing a diff, or a brief explanation that others will understand, and then presenting your arguments based on reliable sources and Wikipedia policies and guidelines. So it appears you're arguing that in your use of Facebook (what link exactly?) is reliable (for what?)? John from Idegon (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * TJRC removed Kristina Pimenova from the list of notable residents but left Lee Goldberg, although they are sourced in the exact same manner, the location they entered into Facebook on their verified page. Almond Plate (talk) 08:04, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is the "source" that was provided: . The first hit is probably Pimenova; but there's nothing in this search result that mentions Calabasas or that otherwise serves as a WP:RS that Pimenova resides in Calabasas. TJRC (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You have to do the search instead of following the link. Almond Plate (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The cited source did not support the claim in the article. It's that simple. TJRC (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It does, you just haven't taken into account that Facebook uses dynamic software. Enter the name into Facebook's search bar and it shows up. Enter merely the resulting url and it won't. Almond Plate (talk) 18:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Calabasas appears to be home to a lot of gated communities.
A recent look on Google Satellite view clearly shows at least 8 gated communities in and close to Calabasas. Darthvader1 (talk) 05:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, . It would take sources. If you can find reliable sources that discuss gated communities in Calabasas, then you can paraphrase content from them. If you can't,  you can't. See, encyclopedia articles aren't written about the subject; they're written about what has been written about the subject in reliable sources. John from Idegon (talk) 06:29, 17 September 2020 (UTC)resigned due to messed up.ping.John from Idegon (talk) 06:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)