Talk:California (province)

Merge request
This article basically reproduces what is already said in the Las Californias article. "Las Californias" is the term I've seen used in Spanish for the territory/province before it's division in 1804 into Alta and Baja California, so I recommend that this article be merged into that article. Both articles do need more specifics, especially on the exact nature of the administration that they had, and the general history, such as the missions (I realize there is a separate article on that, but a quick summary would be in order). When were intendancies established? What was their relation to the Provinicas Internas Commandancy General? Etc. TriniMuñoz (talk) 05:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a merge request; not a move. It would be better to combine the articles under this name, where English-speakers are likely to find it; see our guidelines for using English. But that is a matter which doesn't need an admin; just editors. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with User talk:Pmanderson that this is a merge request, not a move request. I also agree that California (province) is a better location for a merged article per guidelines for using English.  Mechanically, it might be better to move the content of California (province) to Las Californias and then move the whole merged article to California (province) to preserve the longer edit history. —   AjaxSmack   02:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I merged California (province) into Las Californias, per AjaxSmack's first suggestion. (Sorry for the confusion between move and merge. Do realize some of us are new at this.) I completely understand, and previously have noted, the English usage policy, but  I still have reservations about the title "California (province)" because it does not properly reflect the name or area of this province. "California (province) implies the current State of California, and not an area that included the two Mexican states to the south (and which for a century and a half, was the only settled part of the Californias). I reviewed the literature a bit, and found that some authors, but not all, such as Bancroft in the last century, simply translated the phrase into English. I followed this in the article, removing all "Las Californias" and replacing it with "the Californias." Others simply maintain a separate discussion for both areas and only use "Baja California" and "Alta California".TriniMuñoz (talk) 20:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)