Talk:California Chrome/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Jamesx12345 (talk · contribs) 21:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll review this over the next few days having seen your comment at the Wikicup talk page. Jamesx12345 21:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


 * "racehorse bred in California. He won the 2014" - "racehorse bred in California and winner of the 2014..." - lots of short sentences in intro.
 * You're right that it was a bit choppy. I did a bit of rewriting and brought up a bit more material from the article into the lead.  Better?  --MTBW
 * I did some more editing, and put some facts into what I think is a more logical order.
 * As a young man, the elder Sherman..." - I don't think this is important enough to go here. Creating a stub for Art Sherman would probably make more sense.
 * Well, I hope to do so, however, the Swaps connection is one of the biggest things in the human interest story about this horse. To not mention it is to leave out one of the most interesting parts of the story. I think I'll stick to my guns about keeping this in.  --MTBW
 * OK.
 * Second paragraph of the intro, a "He" could be replaced with California Chrome.
 * Took the one in the second sentence. Better?  --MTBW
 * Yes.
 * "California Chrome is owned by Perry..." - some of the text here needs a bit of a copy-edit to make it a bit smoother.
 * Did I catch that in the lead tweaking I mentioned above? --MTBW
 * "Martin & Coburn are also his breeders, they own Love the Chase." doesn't feel quite right. It is also a bit unclear whether Martin & Coburn refers to one or both of each couple.
 * Yeah, officially, it's just the men, but their wives get listed in some of the articles. I'll fix the infobox and clarify the language. In horse racing land, the "breeder" is the person who owns the mare at the time she foals.  I'll reword.  Better?  --MTBW
 * That's fine.
 * "a business that tests high-reliability equipment" - I'd remove this.
 * I'll think about that; the phrase "high-reliability equipment" seems to pop up in every profile on these people, though; I think they do stuff for the military. This Perry Martin has been quoted as saying they test the kind of things that if the equipment fails "people die"... Do you have any suggestions as to how maybe we can  rephrase rather than remove? --MTBW
 * Could you find a source for "military equipment"? I think that might be more precise.
 * I went out to their web site and took a look there, added the version reported from the UT San Diego article, looks like they have a GSA contract, but they haven't updated their web site since 2004, so I kind of split the difference. Will that work? --MTBW
 * Looks fine now. Thanks. Jamesx12345 08:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * "Blinkers On Racing Stable dissolved" - sounds a bit odd. "Blinkers On Racing Stable was dissolved" makes it sound a little more deliberate.
 * OK Fixed.  --MTBW
 * There is a lot of use of cite web when it should really be cite news. Provided they all look the same, however, its not a problem at all for a GAN but an FA reviewer might think otherwise.
 * Heh, you are probably right, but if it's OK with you, I'll save it for FA -- I will be adding more sources if I take it there. (Basically, if this horse wins either the Derby or one of the other Triple Crown races, I'll probably bring it to FA, otherwise, may leave it as is, we'll see.)--MTBW
 * OK - sounds good.
 * "junior" should be "Junior"
 * Fixed. --MTBW
 * "The horse was the first Kentucky Derby..." - this sentence is much longer than the others around it, and stands out a lot. Some more copyediting wouldn't go amiss here.
 * Fiddled with that a little. Better?  --MTBW
 * Yup.
 * "he was assigned" - a note about this would be useful for many readers.
 * Fixed that a little bit. Reworded.  Better? --MTBW
 * Yes.
 * "ran on lasix for the first time in his career." - a brief note here would also be nice.
 * I can understand that this may be a "huh?" to non-horse racing people, but a "brief note" is a sticky wicket, & I'm not sure I feel comfortable going much beyond what's there ... lasix in race horses is quite controversial because in the USA it is generally legal to administer even though it is widely viewed as a performance-enhancing drug --"officially" it is given to them to keep them from bleeding from the lungs while running. There is no source out there says why this horse didn't have lasix before his fourth race or why they started then. (FWIW, I'd guess that about 95%+ of all race horses in the USA run on lasix)   I'm not sure what kind of "brief note" you are thinking of that wouldn't mean I'd have to dip my toe into a pond that I'm not sure is safe for wading...  WP:OR and WP:SYNTH applies - we have no RS to tell us why the trainer made this decision.   ;-) --MTBW
 * Saying "the medication" nicely defers any controversy. I imagine that discussions about that kind of thing don't tend to get written down and put on the internet. Jamesx12345 12:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, looks like you got that, all OK now? --MTBW

Jamesx12345 11:34, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I think I have addressed or at least answered everything you have raised above. Please take a look at what I've done and let me know what further work I can do to improve this article to GA.   Montanabw (talk) 08:46, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, I think I've got it. Will check in again tonight to do any cleanup needed before this can be passed (deadline toay for wikicup! Yikes!)   Montanabw (talk) 00:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm happy that this article can be passed for GA now, and thanks for the speedy responses. If there is a chance that you could look at Sinclair Sovereign before the deadline that would be brilliant, but I need to get another GA off the ground today (I'm thinking about the Cruachan) to get make that happen. Jamesx12345 08:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)