Talk:California State Route 123/Archive 1

History notes
The road from the county line north to Richmond was the first federal aid road completed in the U.S.: --NE2 02:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 28 December 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved as there's no consensus — Wug·a·po·des​ 08:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

California State Route 123 → San Pablo Avenue – Not all of San Pablo Avenue is designated as California State Route 123. Currently, the last sentence of the lead section and the third paragraph of the Route description describe those segments that are not a California State Route. Also similar to Avenue of the Giants and Tiburon Boulevard, should use the common street name of this major San Francisco Bay Area road that is used along the entire length of this California state highway. Zzyzx11 (talk) 23:41, 28 December 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. The scope of the article is wider than the State Route. Opera hat (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Without the SR 123 designation, is San Pablo Avenue notable? It appears to have been part of US 40, so maybe. --Rschen7754 19:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Notability would be relevant if this were a deletion discussion. The content of the article relating the road's State Route status won't disappear if the article is moved. Opera hat (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If the article wouldn't exist without the SR 123 designation, then why would we call it something that isn't notable? --Rschen7754 20:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Currently, the lead and route description sections are written to encompass the entire San Pablo Avenue, not just the segment designated as Highway 123. The history section seems to also talk about the entire San Pablo Avenue, including the cited sentence in its second paragraph about having it in 1852 between the "Rancho San Pablo and Oakland". The coordinates currently listed on the Rancho San Pablo (notwithstanding exact precision) point to a general area north of the 123 designation. Thus my primary reasons to propose this page move. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The article is about the state highway, which just happens to be largely coterminous with San Pablo Avenue. As Rschen says, if the article were repurposed to be about the avenue, it's probably not independently notable, so would be subject to deletion. The state route passes subject notability guidelines though, so should be left as the topic of the article. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.