Talk:California State University, Northridge/Archive 1

Comment
I can't find the link for this so I'm not including it in the article, but The Jewish Journal mentioned that CSUN has the highest percentage of Jews in its student body of any American university outside the Northeast.

Earthquake "Trivial?"
I object to the 1994 Northridge earthquake being considered a "trivial" matter. Apart from the death and devastation to property, the No.Ridge earthquake has altered CSUN much more than this entry would suggest. It was not a 6.7 "blip" on the radar. I suggest the author have a peek at the achives at www.csun.edu (the Oviatt Library has many articles).

RE: Earthquake "Trivial?"
I'm not really sure what you mean by trivial - it would appear that you mean there isn't enough info on the page about it. If so, perhaps you could update the page to include more information? There is no one author for the page (or Wikipedia in general), so your contribution would be much appreciated if you have something to say about the earthquake or CSUN in general.

Student leadership
Should someone include something about Associated Students and University Student Union?

References for Notable Programs
Can someone help me fix the references so that it looks like the rest? I'm new to this and I am trying to learn the ways of Wikipedia.

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WP CSU
--Dabackgammonator (talk) 05:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Lawrence Kent not notable per WP:N
Please stop adding yourself to the Notable Alumni Dr. Kent. If you feel you are notable enough to warrant inclusion then please have someone create an article for you that passes muster so your name isnt the only redlinked listing.Nefariousski (talk) 23:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

flagship school
i heard from many that northridge is the flagship school for the csu. there is even claims of this on the cal poly talk page75.30.124.170 (talk) 05:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Northridge vs. Los Angeles
The location in the infobox goes back and forth between Northridge and Los Angeles. While Northridge is not incorporated and is part of Los Angeles, it seems well defined and notable enough to use as the location instead of Los Angeles. Thoughts? 23:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I recommend using the USGS Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) as a correct source. A query shows the University is Feature ID 248846. The City, per the GNIS record, is Northridge.


 * To quote the GNIS:


 * The Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) is the Federal and national standard for geographic nomenclature. The U.S. Geological Survey developed the GNIS in support of the U.S. Board on Geographic Names as the official repository of domestic geographic names data, the official vehicle for geographic names use by all departments of the Federal Government, and the source for applying geographic names to Federal electronic and printed products.


 * Also, Northridge itself is a valid place name. - Yourwikuser (talk) 04:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Northridge vs. Los Angeles


 * The city that the campus is located in is the City of Los Angeles. The neighborhood is Northridge, so it would make sense to put the location as Los Angeles, CA. You could also put the location as Northridge, Los Angeles, California to be specific as to where in L.A. it is located in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dom.ortiz3 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The infobox shows the field as "location" when you look at the article. Northridge is a notable location with its own article.  There is no requirement that the formal city be used, and actually can cause confusion as there is a Cal State LA.  That being said, I think Northridge, Los Angeles (the actual name of Northridge's article) would be acceptable (as long as readers don't think there are two locations for CSUN).  Let's see what other editors think. 72Dino (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Recent rankings
Did you hear CSUN is ranked 103rd in business for people with 9 fingers and 7 toes? Come on, these rankings are un-referenced and dubious at best!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.19.85 (talk) 06:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Fix needed for conflation of 1968 events
The History>Establishment subsection currently offers the following misleading statement:

"In March 1968, Presidential candidates Robert F. Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy drew a crowd of 12,000 with student demonstrators burning draft cards."

This was not one big three-ring-circus event as indicated, but at least two, and probably three, entirely separate and qualitatively different events on different days:


 * RFK's presidential primary campaign speech. I was there. Wall-to-wall people on the lawns and hanging out of buildings. 12,000 may well be a serious undercount. No draft cards burned on that occasion AFAIK.
 * Eugene McCarthy's campaign appearance, on some other day. I skipped Clean Gene's rally and can't report on the attendance, but probably not nearly as high as for RFK, the boyish torchbearer of the still-untarnished and potently attractive Kennedy mystique.
 * A draft card burning. The only March 1968 burning I remember took place in the so-called "free speech area" adjacent to the bookstore and cafeteria. A very few draft cards were burned and there were perhaps a few hundred people present, not thousands. However, there may well have been other draft card burning ceremonies right around that time, so there might have been one on the occasion of McCarthy's appearance.

I suspect that the WP contributor has simply misreported the cit, but because I am idiosyncratically Flash-averse and the cited CSUN history page (to CSUN's great discredit, IMO) now mandates the use of Flash for any information at all, I cannot be certain that the error is not in the source. Sometimes even a campus historian can make a muddle of relatively obscure 45-year-old events. Will someone without my self-imposed limitation kindly check up on the cit and make appropriate corrections to the article? AVarchaeologist (talk) 21:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Follow-up: Happily, CSUN's online archive of the Daily Sundial is not walled off behind a slab of Flash. The gleanings: No mention of any draft card burnings on either occasion. Senescent gray matter proven reasonably reliable, the current WP source (or reporting thereof) not very. In terms of the scale of events, Valley State (as it then was) was no UC Berkeley during the Vietnam War era, but it certainly had its share of noise, conflict and social revolutions. If the history here is not to be just a puff piece that quickly glosses over anything the administration or the Chamber of Commerce might prefer to forget, that lively chapter ought to be represented by more than just a few miscellaneous and, at least in the above instance, misleading snippets. AVarchaeologist (talk) 01:51, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Kennedy spoke on March 25th. Anticipated attendance: "more than 5000" (1968-03-22 p.1), estimated actual attendance: 10,000 (1968-03-26 p.1)
 * McCarthy spoke on May 23rd. Anticipated attendance: 12,000 (1968-05-23 p.1), estimated actual attendance: 7,000 (1968-05-24 p.3)

One month later: No feedback or edits in response to the above, so revised some of the pre-1972 material myself. AVarchaeologist (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Hazing death
I added Armando Villa's hazing death on the List of hazing deaths in the United States article and I noticed that Villa died in July. It seems like an odd time to be pledging a fraternity. Does CSUN do a different greek timeline than most colleges? Does anyone know why this happened in July? Bali88 (talk) 15:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Edited information about number of Deaf students.
I added the word "mainstreamed" to the information that CSUN has the most Deaf students of any university in the US. The word "mainstreamed" is in the cited source for this information. It's an important distinction as Gallaudet University in Washington DC has many more Deaf students. However, Gallaudet is a school primarily for Deaf people wheres "mainstreaming" refers to Deaf students who attend schools with a predominant population of hearing people.

Bertissimo (talk) 22:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Organization
Under the "Joint Degrees" section, the "CSUN's Chicana and Chicano Studies Department is the largest in California.[22]" seems to be misplaced. I can't think of where it can be moved to. Perhaps under "Colleges"? Englishscholar14 (talk) 00:58, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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‎Notable alumni, faculty, and former students
We've got a really long and comprehensive list of alumni, etc. at List of California State University, Northridge people. I don't really understand why we should be duplicating a subset of this with the wall of links currently in the article. I especially don't understand the selection criteria for this section, other than a sense of "look at all the impressive names and titles here"; it feels like promotional puffery -- especially since the already stated justification is to "increase recognition". That's not the purpose of a Wikipedia article. Aesthetically, sections like this are close to unreadable, which is why lists exist in the first place -- and which is why the list was removed from this article and put in its own article in 2014. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 22:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't duplicate that list but we should have a brief summary in this article; that's the helpful thing to for readers. (There's even a policy or guideline somewhere that explicitly says this...) ElKevbo (talk) 02:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "Many people whose names are recognizable are associated with CSUN. Here are a few of them, selected somehow for some reason. For scores more of them, go to..." UCLA has an OK section, though it's grown overlong; what's the criterion for listing in the main article? CSULA includes a few photos of some alumni, but mostly just a link. CSUSF does the same. The dense approach in this article is close to unreadable. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 14:57, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Then we will shorten it and increase readability. Selection criteria is quite simple: the most notable alumni, faculty, and staff. Which yes, is somewhat subjective. I tried to look at people with the most significant titles in politics and business and those with the most significant awards in entertainment. I will start reworking it this week, taking inspiration from other pages; see this as a first draft. User:Supertowel 11:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Still waiting, and it's still unreadable. I'll back it out in favor of the link to the list article soon. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 16:48, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Just looked at the section for the first time. Yikes! Time to bring out the pruning shears. Contributor321 (talk) 17:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll finish it this weekend. Will try to use more of a picture approach, with some text for significant alumni without pictures available in Wikicommons. User:Supertowel 20:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Updated the section using CSULB and UCLA pages as guides, feel free to provide further feedback. User:Supertowel 13:14, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice job - huge improvement! I added several minor tweaks.Contributor321 (talk) 16:36, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

‎Article rating
Hello everyone,

I feel the current C-rank for this article is outdated and the article now meets the standard for a B-rank ("The article is mostly complete and without major problems but requires some further work to reach good article standards"). Especially comparing it to other CSU wikipedia articles with a B-rank, this article is oftentimes more complete in my opinion. Please let me know if you agree or disagree and if it would be okay to change the rank. Also, I hope to nominate the article for GA status soon. Any advice and help would be appreciated. User:Supertowel 12:18, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As I have not received any objections or other comments, the article rating was changed to B-class. If there are any objections/comments, please discuss here. Supertowel (talk) 23:12, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

"San fernando valley state college" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect San fernando valley state college. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 8 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

US Rankings
please update all University of California and California State University rankings. This years rankings are at the us ranking page. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

RfC: Should Northridge or Los Angeles be used as the location in the infobox?
Should Northridge or Los Angeles be used as the location in the infobox? See earlier discussion at Talk:California State University, Northridge. Thanks, 72Dino (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Survey

 * Northridge. The university is known by that name and Northridge is a town of 68 thousand people, not just a small neighborhood in a city.  Although Northridge is technically part of the city of Los Angeles, Northridge is notable enough to use as the location and it will help minimize confusion with California State University, Los Angeles. 72Dino (talk) 20:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Northridge, Los Angeles seems the clearest. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:49, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Northridge, Los Angeles Agree with Orange Mike . Northridge's wikipedia article is actually Northridge, Los Angeles, so the answer seems obvious. NickCT (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Northridge, the wikilink should still go to Northridge, Los Angeles, but it can be hidden within the wikilink, and does need to be spelled out as it is already clearly spelled out in the lead section.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Northridge, Los Angeles but wikilink it like this: Northridge, Los Angeles . This provides maximal information in the same amount of visual space.  On the other hand, Northridge is not a town, it is a neighborhood, and it's not merely technically part of Los Angeles.  But nevertheless, it's the place that the university is located and the infobox should reflect that.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Northridge, Los Angeles - Per others. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Northridge: A CSU with LA as its place is here. This university has never had LA in its title  p  b  p  05:04, 29 January 2013 (UTC)