Talk:Call-out culture

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James Charles
I think we've all had enough of editors coming here and running a line for their favourite "cancelled" celebrity. So I removed it, James Charles already has an article all of his own - and at 16.4 million followers, he's hardly been "cancelled". Obviously willing to listen to arguments for his inclusion, but I think his inclusion is WP:cruft and at the very least a discussion should be had about his inclusion, if he's to be included at all. Bacondrum (talk) 23:08, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Bacondrum- Response to removal of Call-out culture edits
Hello Bacondrum, My group and I are alarmed to see you have removed our edits for our class assignment from the article. Can you explain why you did so? We have an analysis paper on the edits we have intended to be made that we are turning in and the edits must be seen on the Wiki page as well. If we did anything that is not adequate to your standards please explain why so we have a better understanding and we can come to a solution to improve the Wiki page.

Thank you, Vha407 (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)Vha407


 * I don't see any obvious deletions by can you provide a WP:DIFF to what you are referring to? Thanks. —DIYeditor (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * My mistake I was looking at the history for this talk page rather than the article. I see now. —DIYeditor (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the James Charles example is not WP:DUE weight as there are a great many other examples. For example, see these which were already removed. We already trimmed this article a great deal. The controversy section looks ok to me at this time. —DIYeditor (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome and thanks for your contributions. No need for alarm, edits get challenged on Wikipedia all the time...however, please stop reverting to your preferred version, don't WP:EDITWAR. Feel free to be bold with your edits (as you already have been), but you need to come to talk if your edits are challenged, this is all part of the normal process - please read WP:BOLD


 * My reasons for challenging your edits are:
 * James Charles section:
 * The inclusion of the James Charles section is WP:UNDUE and I personally consider it WP:CRUFT (as you can see, another editor also sees it as undue). The article is about the term, not the people it has effected, James Charles has his own article that covers his "cancellation", which was a bit of a non event really, wasn't it? The fella still has millions of online followers.


 * The Controversy section:
 * This is problematic too. First: Who is Francesca Duchi? She appears to be an unpublished undergraduate - this is not a reliable source. Academia.edu is not a reliable source, though they do re-publish reliable sources as per WP:RS, but you need to find a peer reviewed journal or quality news outlet that has published Francesca Duchi's piece.
 * Second: I think a controversy section is generally going to be a problem (and has been in the past), everyone is going to want to add there own bit of cruft ie: Rosanne Bar, Louis CK etc until this section becomes a clunky WP:POV list of poorly sourced events, cruft and other trivia.


 * Having said that my views are not sacrosanct, you can argue your case, that's what this section is for, civil debate regarding article content.


 * Hope that clarifies. Bacondrum (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


 * , wikipedia is non-static, it changes all the time, but you can access your edits anytime - if you need to show your teacher here's a link to your version: Bacondrum (talk) 01:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)