Talk:Call Me Maybe

Reference issue
YouTube and UStream references are not reliable per WP:YOUTUBE. The videos were uploaded by random online users and could have been edited for any purpose such as inclusion on this Wikipedia article. If it was not copyright infringement to add such links, then every single page here would have YouTube references. But do we see those references in Featured Articles or Good Articles? No, we don't. Plus, how can you even confirm that "she performed the unrecorded intro to the song" if we have no reliable source for that? Remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and users, specially those who are placed among the reviewers category, should know how to identify reliable sources. - Saulo  Talk to Me 05:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It depends what video it is. For instance, I've used a 4Music interview with Leona Lewis in one of her articles, as she explains about production of her second album. There is also a radio interview she did which is only available from Youtube which I have used as well. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 11:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Uhm, I see. But what I'm saying is that these are random user submitted videos, they were not uploaded by the artist herself nor her team or label. - Saulo  Talk to Me 15:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure where Sauloviegas saw this on WP:YOUTUBE, but that page states nothing about the reliability of Youtube, Ustream, or any other video hosting websites that host user submitted videos. The only reason for the exclusion of linking to Youtube, Ustream, or any other video hosting websites, as stated in WP:YOUTUBE, is copyright infringement. Furthermore, WP:YOUTUBE concerns external links that are not citations. Wiiki  pe  dian  03:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis." The links do not have notability enough to be added to the article, plus, they do not confirm the info about an "unrecorded intro to the song". Such introduction could have been recorded or not, but we do not have any official source for that. Remember: Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Now regarding the uStream source, I just visited it and it is the offcial channel to the radio where the interview was recorded, so it is reliable enough to be added to the article. - Saulo  Talk to Me 04:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not disrupted Wikipedia to illustrate a point, but you might have misunderstood the guidelines for WP:YOUTUBE. As I have stated previously, WP:YOUTUBE concerns external links that are not citations to sources supporting article content, which is stated at the top of the page. The links cannot be notable enough since they are just sources for citations. If they were notable enough, they would most likely already have their own articles. I assume you mean the reliability of the links instead. In this case, the links are primary sources, and are allowed per WP:PRIMARY. Wiiki  pe  dian  11:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not because they are primary sources that they are reliable enough. "Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia." How can we confirm that these videos were recorded by the uploaders themselves? They are the same case of Britney Spears' Femme Fatale Tour: they are unauthorized recordings of the show; therefore, they are copyright infringiments. - Saulo  Talk to Me 01:22, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Like many other videos hosted on Youtube, these videos can never really be confirmed if they were recorded by the uploaders themselves. However, we can acknowledge the fact that, with a little bit of searching, they are the only copies of the videos. If these videos were in fact not uploaded by the rightful owners, they could issue a takedown notice directly to Youtube. Not all recordings of music concerts or live performances are unauthorized, as there has been an increasing number of artists allowing live audience recording. Even if these videos were copyrighted, they are still allowed since most recently created works are copyrighted, almost any Wikipedia article which cites its sources will link to copyrighted materials. We are citing sources that are, or link to, copyrighted materials, not directly linking to external websites. Wiiki  pe  dian  09:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. You proved me wrong. They must be added to the article then, but not to support the "She performed and unrecorded intro of the song" phrase, since we don't really know if she recorded and it was left out of the final mix or not. They should support the locations of the performances. - Saulo  Talk to Me 14:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the term "unrecorded" is misleading, what do you think of the term "unreleased" instead? It is a fact that the introduction to the song has never been released before. I am not so sure about adding where the performances were done, as she has performed live many times before, and these performances are not really notable events. Wiiki  pe  dian  23:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that it does sound more appropriate than "unrecorded". - Saulo  Talk to Me 11:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Should I add it to the article? Wiiki  pe  dian  13:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for me it's fine now, so I think so. :) And don't forget to use Template:Cite web and add appropriate title, author, etc... - Saulo  Talk to Me 23:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added it to the article. :) Wiiki  pe  dian  13:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Loudness War
After some of my own research I have figured out that the entire EP release of Curiously, which includes "Call Me Maybe" has been so destroyed dynamically that the actually shipped CD contains clipped sections. Since there is a YouTube 1080p clip available to compare against it is easy to show that the lossly reference material not only looks better than what is shipped on CD, but also sounds better.

Comparison EP vs YouTube

I guess this is not the place to start some sort of religious war on how bad the mastering of this track was. But since it is so trivial to prove, and I didn't find anyone else that did so, it may be interesting historically for an iTunes no. 1 song. --Skinkie (talk) 00:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Someone wrote that she has a number one hit on the hot 100 US. Its peak is still 2 and the website to prove that it became a number one hit shows that it is still 2. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.99.252 (talk) 20:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

SiNG
This song will come to SiNG. (an singing game for Wii U.) Can somebody write that this sing is seen the tralier of SiNG? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.124.63 (talk) 10:02, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

would like to add to cover versions section
I would like to add the following text to the end of the cover versions section

New York based production house Stacks of Wax Productions released a disco cover featuring NY singer songwriter Nicholas Wells through YouTube on June 16, 2012.

the cover has garnered over 100,000 views in two days and is getting airplay on radio stations in NY and Baltimore. If possible, I would like to add a link to the youtube video of said cover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld7qaVpkFmI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.82.134 (talk) 19:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look to me like it meets the requirements of WP:SONGCOVER.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with Kww, the cover does not meet WP:SONGCOVER and should not be included.   19:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/14/9-best-and-worst-covers-of-hit-song-call-me-maybe.html --TotalUseless (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Alex Goot, Dave Days and Chad Sugg > 5.000.000 views --TotalUseless (talk) 16:01, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I would like to add the ChatRoulette trol act from youtube. As of this wrighting, it has reached 2 million views. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQhG59zqZc&list=PL0A6B90345D2B1486&index=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.128.250.46 (talk) 19:05, 12 January 2013 (UTC)  Apparently it had been removed by Youtube previously when it had already reached 32 million views. So That's 34 million views in total.

would like to take out cover version section
I heard the cover version of those songs and I'm pretty sure it's just written by the band as a promotional tool. Wikipedia should be about culturally significant things, not promoting your shitty high school band and the half-baked pop cover they play at the prom reception. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.132.172 (talk) 03:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Parody

 * "Call Me Maybe" (DIRTY PARODY) > 20.000.000 views --TotalUseless (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Chart peaks
Who keeps changing the chart peaks to the current positions? She already peaked at #2 in Germany, so why would someone change it to #3, its current position? I have already corrected this several times for other countries, especially France! --PopMusicObsessed (talk) 14:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Internet Reception
Just wondering if we should include a section that discusses the vast internet reception (both good bad and comedic) surrounding this song. There are countless you tube remakes, memes and constant jokes and references. All of which have had a major impact on the songs continued existence in pop culture. Aperseghin (talk) 13:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * But is that notable or is it speculative? If it has been reported on in major media outlets or by reliable critics then go ahead and add it in yourself. YouTube itself is not a reliable source however and in general any song that has ever been anywhere near popular has thousands of lip synced YouTube homages or parodies to it, but if no serious literary content has been developed as a result of this phenomenon (with regards to this specific song) it is simply undue weight and original research and belongs not in this entry.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * To me its notable that the critical reception section has nothing negative in it. Seriously????? --RThompson82 (talk) 06:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Only 5th Canadian Artist at #1?
I thought this was suspect. Maybe I'm reading the sentence wrong, but I'm reading it that Carly Rae Jepsen is the 5th Canadian to top the Billboard Top 100. I did some investigating and this is not true. http://www.canada.com/entertainment/story.html?id=801009 says otherwise (and may not be complete). — Devin.chaloux (chat) 04:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Inaccurate Information
"Jepsen is the first female artist to have a debut single at number one on Billboard Hot 100 since Kesha's "Tik Tok"."

The following is accurate. In actuality, it's Lady Gaga's "Born This Way". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.240.194 (talk) 05:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Who cares? and Prove it.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Born This Way wasn't a debut single...Gaga's debut single was "Just Dance", which came out long before Tik Tok. Politoed89 (talk) 21:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LuciferWildCat, when editing an article you should promote accurate knowledge. Such attitude reflects poorly on wikipedia and article integrity. Mavrick (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Missing Information
Athletes of the 2012 Summer Olympics also made a version of Call Me Maybe. That should be in the article. I will put that in the article myself, but if you want to change it you can. CPGirlAJ (talk) 18:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

the song isn't teen pop at all
because CRJ is 26 years old --82.139.5.13 (talk) 13:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Teen pop is not a genre created by teenagers, is a genre oriented to teenagers. If you believe I'm wrong, contact Jon O'Brien, who made the review. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  18:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * but adults also love her music --82.139.5.13 (talk) 14:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "...Baby One More Time" is "also loved by adults", and is teen pop as well. Just because "adults love it" does not make it adult contemporary or "adult pop" by default. Again, I invite you to contact O'Brien if you don't like the review. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No negative critical reception? Seriously?
For real? This song is prettymuch Friday 2.0 and no backlash is mentioned? --RThompson82 (talk) 06:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you give some reliable sources with negative comments, I'm pretty sure they can be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Not A Superhero (talk • contribs) 06:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Adding Bubblegum Pop
The song is obviously bubblegum pop, we should add it. Whatever318 (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Source?--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 22:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Japan Year-end
Here is a link http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2013/japan-hot-100?page=1 --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Jeopardy! usage?!?
It's been in the edit history for a while and I've been away from Wikipedia for a very long while so I'm a bit hesitant to revert or directly flag it it, but this sentence from the In Popular Culture section seems unlikely. And it's uncited.

It has also served as the main theme for the popular game show Jeopardy! when the show celebrated its 30th anniversary season in 2013.

Oddtoddnm (talk) 03:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Lyrics
This is probably not the place for a great debate but why aren't lyrics to songs embedded in an Wikipedia article. Are there copyright issues to such a move as the lyrics are available in the liner notes or songbooks? 82.132.212.222 (talk) 15:12, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

[copyrighted song lyrics removed]


 * Yes, there are copyright issues. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and has very restrictive policies on when non-free content can be used. See Lyrics and poetry. –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Baroque Pop
I added a little tidbit that the song draws influences from the genre baroque pop, due to the string sections in the song. In Honeymoon, a song by Lana Del Rey, it is called baroque pop for the same reason (just string sections), so is this alright to add? Because I don't have a cite for it. 67.85.37.113 (talk) 01:13, 25 September 2015 (UTC) Person without Wiki account =P


 * If you are analyzing the song yourself then you are violating the hard policy of WP:No original research. What you should do instead is tell the reader what genres have been connected to the song by reviewers in WP:Reliable sources. Binksternet (talk) 02:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

baroque pop
I see baroque pop as an influence on this track. If it is true well give a source. If you don't have any (which is most likely) I think Sunshine pop is more relevant. ThibaultGerm (talk) 14:40, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Would Danza Kuduro also be baroque pop, since it's the same song with different lyrics published a year earlier? --John Moser (talk) 23:18, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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