Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2/Archive 3

downtime
The amount of downtime is becoming quite significant. A few occasions now when players unable to move within the online game for days on end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.140.30 (talk) 20:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I've seen this but until a reliable source reports on it there's nothing to add. I also believe it may be a hacked server modification meant to grief players rather than an actual issue with IWNet. ferret (talk) 11:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly due to the lack of dedicated servers. UnknownThing (talk) 07:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Unrelated, as a dedicated server is nothing more than a client hosting a game without a local player. There is no fundamental difference in how the game is hosted by a "dedicated" server or a "listen" server. Anyways, I have personally not seen this occur again in the past week. ferret (talk) 12:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

IW 4.0
I'm new to Wikipedia so I can't do it due to the page protection, but shouldn't somebody wiki-format IW 4.0 (as IW 4.0 ) as it is now a page that redirects to IW engine? UnknownThing (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, look at the engine field in the infobox ferret (talk) 12:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Downloadable Content Info
The 2 stimulus package modes that are stated to exist have been replaced by resurgance ones and with resurgence maps mixed in regular modes too like stimulus. Absorr (talk) 11:14, 5 June 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.197.231 (talk)
 * How very confusing. Rehevkor ✉  01:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Remerge Controversies
Please see the talk page for the controversies sub article Controversies surrounding Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. This article should be deleted with the 3-4 paragraph of relevant information merged into the Reception section. ferret (talk) 14:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Plot Year
I put the year of the plot (2016) in the plot area so they will know what year it is. The Guitar Master (talk) 00:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I See it has been removed but I say it should stay. It is true because in the first game in the flashback level Cpt. Price said that it had been a decade since Chernobyl that is 1996 the main plot takes place 15 years later which is in 2011 and 5 years from that is 2016 The Guitar Master (talk) 04:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It was most likely removed because it was considered original research. llama lom (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Why Call of Duty: MW2 is 'NOT' a best-seller for the PC?
This section needs verification.* This section is created from data I have learned from personal experience and data from other players playing MW2.*

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihasfail (talk • contribs) 11:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC) http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=24
 * There is a online multi-player cap of 24 persons(18 persons, don't know how to make grammar edits). This was a big downgrade from Call of Duty 4's 50 man capacity.
 * PC performance requirements.
 * Online hacking on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PC version only).  Majority of Call of Duty:  Modern Warfare 2 PC owners dislike the game because of hacking related issues.
 * Inability for host to kick and players to vote kick hackers promotes online hacking.
 * Inability to ban hackers promotes online hacking.
 * There seems to never be any moderators to ban hackers from public games.
 * Servers can be modded/hacked. Modded servers may feature special abilities such as Moon jump, Third-Person perspective, and maybe more.
 * Large cheating community. http://www.callofdutyhacks.com/hacks.html
 * Small legit non-cheating community. http://steamcommunity.com/groups/No-Cheaters
 * Steam Requirement. Once a cd-key is linked to an account it cannot be transferred nor can another account use the same cd-key.  Steam account name or password recovery is not user friendly.  One infamous issue is the pass-phrase issue where the use has to input the pass-phrase with the recovery code, however, if the user does not remember his/her pass-phrase or never created a pass-phrase then the account cannot be recovered.  Contacting Activision Support Staff will only lead to an automated message which restates recovery instructions.
 * Inability to create custom maps.
 * Lack of PC Community Support. Developers pay no attention to MW2 PC forum section.


 * Horrible Review Ratings.

http://readerreviews.ign.com/rrobj/game/index/14280895

http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Pc/product-reviews/B00269QLJ2/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


 * This is 100% pure opinion and has no bearing what so ever on the number of copies sold, which is the metric used to determine "best selling." I'm sorry you don't like the game, I personally do, but none of this is relevant to the article or has anything to do with "best selling". On top of that, nearly everything you state except those pertaining to the peer-to-peer hosting affect almost every FPS with multiplayer. Also, unless something changed with the DLC last week, the player cap is 18, not 24. ferret (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is a best-seller on the Xbox and PS3 versions.  According to Gamasutra, the sales figure for MW2 for the Xbox was 4.2 million units; 1.9 million units for the PS3 version; but only a whooping 170,000 units for the PC version.  I hope you can see that 170,000 units is a far ways from being a best-seller.  I am TRYING to figure out why the PC version failed when MW2 ranked 1-2 on the 360 and PS3.  I believe that this is a great marketing phenomenon and I also believe future developers can benefit from the mistakes of MW2.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4214/npd_behind_the_numbers_november_.php?page=4


 * Unless you can provide some independent sources suggesting reasons for the lackluster sales there's not much to discuss here, so far all you have produced is original research, talk pages are for discussing the article, not it's subject. See WP:TALK. If you want to rant about this, try a forum. Rehevkor ✉  14:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The Gamasutra article you're referring to was only for November 2009 RETAIL sales. It does not include any sales since then, nor did it include STEAM sales. It only included brick-and-mortar sales. I found a Kotaku article referencing that same figure that quoted over 100,000 players online concurrently. While entirely speculative, that would mean about 60% of players who purchased the game were playing at the exact same time, which seems extremely high. The bottom line though is that the game did suffer a large backlash from the gaming community. My personal position is that it was largely unwarranted (And I know several people who were dead set opposed to it who now play MW2 exclusively on the PC). There's already mention of this in the article and in the companion article about controversies, however. Anything more is injecting personal bias. As a small note, there used to be a referenced paragraph in the Controversy article (Removed as not being a controversy though!) that listed MW2 as the highest pirated game of 2009, with several million downloads. The PC market is far more affected by pirating than the console markets. ferret (talk) 12:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Assistance in trimming down plot summary/improving plot summary
Somebody should point out in the plot summary that the motivation behind Gen. Shepherd's "betrayal" is not ever explained. Why he would kill two men whose loyalty to him and their country was beyond question is not exactly justified. Also strange is the fact that he murdered two Americans in front of a bunch of other American soldiers, and nobody questions it at all (or charges him with murder), and they cover it up for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.76.48.242 (talk) 15:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

It has been brought to recent attention that the summary may be too long or overly detailed. However, after having read the summary's contents, I honestly could not find any other way to trim down the summary beyond the bare bones it already has. This calls for a fresh set of eyes for editing.Dibol (talk) 05:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I think the summary could do without the step-by-step details, especially when describing the final fight scene. A few simple lines saying that McTavish and Price encounter Sheppard in hand-to-hand combat, with Sheppared dying and both men coming out injured could do (or something of that sort). There are other places where the minor details could be trimmed. If people wanted a play-by-play, they might as well just play the game. That Random Guy 06:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Llama lom (talk • contribs)

I already trimmed down the last paragraph regarding the final fight scene. Can you check the other paragraphs as well? I know for sure they didn't do a "step by step" details.Dibol (talk) 07:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've restored the tag yet again.  WP:PLOTSUM uses an example of a feature film (which I'd say this is the equivalent of) has a max of 700 words (which is the absolute max).  Right now we're at 880.  Still gotta trim about 20-25% off the story. I'll see what I can do to help.  One thing that can go are ranks of individuals when it's not absolutely necessary. --Teancum (talk) 00:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Understood. Will refrain from removing the tag until then.Dibol (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Map packs
The article states there will be three map packs, however even it's source says only two have been confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandalman3000 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from LewisTee, 22 October 2010
The nuke will blow up the entire map to The nuke will obliterate the entire map to

LewisTee (talk) 15:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would you like to change it? Does it give any advantage over the original wording? Rehevkor ✉  16:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  00:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

OXM Review?
The current review score from the Official Xbox Magazine is incorrect. The UK magazine did give it at 10/10 (for reasons unclear to me), but the US version of the magazine awarded it a 9.5/10. Someone should just add a OXM UK to the list, but correct this mistake. BoySamusMetroid (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)BoySamusMetroid 10/25/10

Hacked Games
How about something mentioning all the hacked PS3 lobbies which screw up people's profiles. Game is kinda unplayable online now and potential first time buyers should be made aware. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.16.144 (talk) 06:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Team chat slang.
Why is there no mention of "The Draycott" in this article? I hear it at least once a session over the team chat. It would make it easier for newbies to integrate into the Modern Warfare community if there was some sort of jargon buster.

The definition of the term "The Draycott" can be used in any type of match where the players deaths are 10 or higher than their kills, a 1:10 kill/death ratio.

CODMW2 Official (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Must say I have never ever heard this. Any reliable sources for it? Rehevkor ✉  15:54, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I suppose Team chat is the only reference I've got, I've not heard it outside of playing COD, I'll ask around, or any suggestions on how do it? CODMW2 Official (talk) 16:04, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I too have heard this term on numerous occasions on the modern warfare 2 servers especially when the teams have played at an all time low, the popularity of this "term" has increased over the last couple of weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.39.134 (talk) 19:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:NOT: "Wikipedia is not a dictionary, or a usage or jargon guide." See also WP:VGSCOPE. While easing newcomers into the game community is a noble goal. Wikipedia is not meant to be the place for that. Surely there is some external wiki with exactly that goal? In addition, the popularity of this term having increased in recent weeks is not sufficient for notability. Think more in terms of "in 10 years, will anybody need to know this term from an encyclopedia?" At least in this particular case, it is a little early to judge that. -- Nczempin (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality
I'm quite worried that the tone of the text reads like a press statement. I've noticed this with quite a lot of movie / video game articles. It's just a lot of smooth talk, for example at the end: "The accolades heaped on the title weren't limited to gameplay, either – in June 2010, composers Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe were presented with the ASCAP Top Video Game Award for their work on Modern Warfare 2." Just seems to violate the objective style of description I expect from our Wikipedia.... 89.0.46.74 (talk) 08:15, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Wii version
Are we sure there is a Wii version? I'm not sure they didn't released to the console. I tried to remove Wii from the infobox but I got problems with the infobox. Egon Eagle (talk) 00:52, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It was removed. I just removed the DS as well. I believe these were in the Info box due to the other Modern Warfare releases that occurred at the same time for DS and Wii. But those were not MW2 releases. ferret (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Ramirez / oscar mike
There needs to be mention of the fact that throughout the game, someone constantly says "Ramirez, do x". Also about the repetitive use of "Oscar Mike", "Stay Frosty", "footmobiles", etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.97.6 (talk) 00:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * too trivial. Try again.--Eaglestorm (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Example of the idea of American exceptionalism that the military is desperate to promote

 * Are video games turning against the U.S. Army?, salon.com, Wednesday, Jun 1, 2011.--91.39.104.208 (talk) 23:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

not the best selling of all time in uk
its the second best now

http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/867796-call-of-duty-black-ops-becomes-best-selling-uk-game-ever — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.159.19 (talk) 14:17, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. ƒ ox   21:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Controversy
Maybe it should be noted that due to the controversy in the level where the player needs to assist in the massacre at the airport, the player is warned in-game that this scene contains offending conduct. After this warning the player has the option to skip this level if he\she wishes, or continue if he\she will not be offended. Skipping the level does not involve any penalty regarding game completion.

Furthermore, maybe it should be noted the controversial level is called "No Russian". This name comes a quote by one of the characters in the beginning of the level, but I don't think that detail is important enough to be placed here.

I wanted to add that my own but unfortunatly the page is semi-protected. (T-Nod (talk) 09:51, 15 July 2011 (UTC))
 * It's already mentioned in the article but mostly covered by the article Controversies surrounding Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Rehevkor ✉  13:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Norway attacks and Modern Warfare 2
Anders Behring Breivik the shooter and bomber of 2011 Norway attacks has said he uses Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to train combat skills for an upcoming war with Islam, according to a 1,500 page manifesto that he wrote prior to the attacks. I suggest we make new section about it. We could also have it as part of the controversy section. 10:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgundy111 (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. Let's wait to see if this is still getting coverage in a month or six.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 15:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hasn't it become a standard procedure for media to blame MMORPGS and first-person shooters anyways? Every time someones goes amok in Germany, the first thing media does is to dig for ego-shooters and blame them. Too bad so many people play this kind of games. I think we should be more worried about pants. Seriously, I am sure all serial killers and murderers of the last 100 years wore pants. Scary, huh? Sounds absurd? So does the supposedly connection with Moder Warfare, Half-life, Quake, Doom or whatever. Ok, rant mode off, I agree with Dbrodbeck, we should wait and see if the media still run with MW2 in a month or so, or if the company does react to this media coverage before including it here. --Mister Denial (talk) 22:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Dbrodbeck, I am at the moment waiting to see if that gets enough of attention in international media. Mister Denial, wikipedia is not your blog. Burgundy111 (talk) 00:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Important must-known about cooperative mode.
Cooperative online mode, can only be played with friends, via Xbox Live (on Xbox 360), Playstation Network (on PS3) and Steam (on PC). There's no matchmaking to play with random people.

Pipexlul (talk) 16:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Line edits
"towards and from" should be "to and from"; "created anger among" should be "angered" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.200.167 (talk) 09:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Unneccesary line at end of 'Plot' section
The sentence "Price and Soap raid the base in an attempt to take revenge on Shepherd in a suicide mission." makes no sense at the end of the plot description, it is copied from the penultimate paragraph. 134.219.229.159 (talk) 17:15, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Lemme guess: it needs rewording. Well, you could try working of this version:
 * "Price and Soap raid the base in a suicidal attempt to take revenge on Shepherd."
 * It's only a suggestion, though.
 * -017Bluefield (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Wrong stats
Its protected so i can not change: Article say 4.7 million copys sold in 24h worldwide with a link to a source that says 4.7 in in North America and United Kingdom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.189.43 (talk) 13:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. ferret (talk) 13:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 December 2011
Please add. Thanks. --138.130.68.60 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

138.130.68.60 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: How is it set in the 2010s? -- Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 14:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Quotations around names?
Why are there quotations around names, like Soap, Roach, and Ghost? I understand those aren't their real names, but why that warrants quotation marks is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.200.204 (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Because they are Pseudonyms.

I think it's a bit excessive to put quotations around every instance. It's accepted that MacTavish goes by Soap, so I think his name does not need to be put in quotes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.237.121.88 (talk) 07:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Carpet-bomb?
Hi.

Every time I visit this article, I see someone claimed that the U.S. wanted to carpet-bomb the WH in the plot section. I've never been able to confirm this. The nearest thing we have in the game is a radio transmission that says "Hammerdown is in effect." A plane does pass over the WH but it is an F-15E. Does anyone has a source that can confirm the exact word of "carpet-bomb"?

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 03:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

West Zampella dismissal
Hey, I looked the game up hoping to find followup on the dismissal of Jason West and Vince Zampella following the release of the game, but I find absolutely no mention of that in the article. I am not well informed on the subject, but there does seem to be information present in other articles such as Titansfall. As I understand it, though, there was a dispute over money West and Zampella claimed they were due over MW2, and eventually they were dismissed. This seems relevant to MW2 itself, so why is there no mention of it in either this article or the separate controversy article? If there is a rational reason I would love to hear it. I couldn't find any mention of it in the archives of this talk page. 82.0.16.12 (talk) 01:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Try the Infinity Ward article, it covers it in detail. -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that article was extremely informative. I'm still puzzled as to why there's no mention of it here, even if it's one line with a link to the Infinity Ward article? (82.0.16.12 (talk) 17:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC))
 * The best I can offer is that it doesn't directly concern the game itself. While West and Zampella alleged issues with MW2 royalities, among other issues, it had no effect on the game itself, it's reception, or sales, or any connection to the content of the game, etc. -- ferret (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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I didn’t see anywhere under Controversy about the game being banned in Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cestephe (talk • contribs) 20:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021
"Nikolai arrives and helps Price evacuate Soap for medical attention". This line is in the Story section of the page. IN that, the words "medical attention" are a hyperlink which leads to a completely unrelated link. That should be changed to an actual page of "medical attention" or it should not be a hyperlink at all. 49.207.196.49 (talk) 04:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 08:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The original purpose of that easter egg link is that the hyperlinked event sets up the events for the third game. Dibol (talk) 09:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * perhaps that could be explained in the prose, and linked that way? &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 09:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Didn't the Russians launch the invasion from the West and East coast?
DJ Tachanka (talk) 08:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)In the cutscene for the mission 'Wolverines!' you can see that before it pans to the East coast of the US the camera is focusing on the West coast, with the same large number of red dots signifying aircraft, however in the article is just lists it as 'An invasion on the East coast of the US'.


 * You are forgetting the fact the the U.S. satellite systems were compromised. West Coast and the Northern continents were false alarms.Dibol (talk) 03:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, I never thought of it that way, I thought that it was implying an invasion from both fronts. Thanks. DJ Tachanka (talk) 09:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

wrong Jason West
the director of this game is Jason West the game designer of infinity Ward before he moved to make his own game studio Respawn Entertainment and NOT the Jason West the American politician so pls fix the redirect link to Respawn Entertainment Birch anchor (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. -- ferret (talk) 16:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit title to say "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009)"
To ensure that there is no confusion between Modern Warfare 2 from 2009 and the new upcoming Modern Warfare II. Is there any way to add the "2009" part to the title to make it clear which version of the game this is?

Hbahtijaragic (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Open a move request. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)`

Requested move 8 October 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 → Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009 video game) – To differentiate from the 2022 game of similar name. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:31, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. The 2022 game uses Roman numerals, and the hatnote works well enough.  O.N.R.  (talk) 21:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * By what you said, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (2022 video game) should move to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II with that in mind. Am I correct? Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was my intent.  O.N.R.  (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. The 2009 game is the original MW2 and the article title should probably stay the same, and maybe since the games use different number indicators (2 or II), we could use page moves like what O.N.R. stated.
 * dksn123 (talk) 23:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

That’s stupid since they’ve got completely different titles. Johnsmith212254 (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

MW2019 should just be Call of Duty: Modern Warfare since COD4 is Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. Johnsmith212254 (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This isn't about the original or it's remake. This is about the 2/IIs. -- ferret (talk) 19:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Opposed Hatnote suffices, this is the original game and the primary topic at this time. -- ferret (talk) 19:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. MW2 is the original and is an iconic video game. Alexysun (talk) 05:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Request for separate Ghost page
Is Ghost notable enough to warrant his own dedicated page? 2601:3C6:4204:2710:C9C8:D5ED:70C3:9589 (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * No. -- ferret (talk) 13:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)