Talk:Calle 13 (band)

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I've just cleaned up the page quite a bit, this page was a mess with various POV additions by IPs. I've seen this as quite common on Spanish-language artists articles, particularly with regards to Reggaeton artists. I'll be keeping an eye on this page for further such additions. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 01:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried to clean it up further cause it pretty much read like a "copy-paste" from a promo page for the artist. I think I even started this page but I hadn't checked it out in awhile. I'll keep an eye on it as well to keep polishing it more. Thief12 03:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Article lacks NPOV

 * page content butchered with no explanations, and all the new content added is totally uncited. Add references for new and questionable additions, and don't remove cited info without listing reasons

Explanations were given on the discussion page (here!) where they belong. New content is uncited, but I will add sources today. Those additions are not questionable and are taken from interviews and newspapers. Article is now more organized and the sections comply with the standards seen in other articles and promoted by Wikipedia. I removed adjectives that lacked NPOV and I removed information that belongs to other articles (information about the video of "Tango del Pecado" was already on the single article, so it was redunndant to have it here.) Any further discussion or argument about the editing should be added here. Thanks. Thief12 17:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've already added most of the citations for the information I had written before. Thief12 20:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If you've added references, good, but I still intend to reinsert some of the content that you deleted without any explanation, and I'm not referring only to the Tango del Pecado information. There's cleanup, and then there's removal of information that's cited and clearly not POV that gives a reader of the article some insight into the group. 68.155.122.113 21:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Compare both versions and you'll see that there's no information missing. It was just a reorganization and clean-up of the article. Besides, the article had only about two or three citations. I moved some of the information into other sections of the article to keep it according to Wikipedia standards for musical groups. If you find anything that was deleted that you believe its crucial to the article, comment about it here. Thief12 03:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There's a lot of questionable content being added to the article, some uncited bonchinche. For example, there's a paragraph about how reggaeton artists were angry or frustrated with Calle 13's win, that Wisin y Yandel were frustrated and stood up, yet nothing in that paragraph is even mentioned in the article cited (not reggaeton artists in general, Wisin y Yandel standing up, etc).  They give props to Calle 13 for the win, and expressed that they had hoped to win, that's it (Pa'l Mundo was a huge album, they were expecting to win regardless of who else won it, you can't assume it means they're angry at who won).  Then there's the Ivy Queen article, which was taken out of context.  Nothing in the article suggested that Ivy Queen was frustrated or even just joking (as any artist may about one artist getting too many awards, that they should share with others).  In the article she feels that Calle 13's success will motivate other reggaeton artists to come harder the following year, but that's like a basketball player saying that Nash winning the MVP motivates other ballers to bring their A-Game the next year.  Nothing in the article cited mentions any beef, or her stating that they aren't reggaeton artists.  The reference that follows is from a blog, vaguely mentioning that Ivy Queen didn't understand how awards were classified at the awards or how Calle 13 classify themselves.  Most of the fan gossip (whether its tiraera or envy) isn't even necessary in articles like this, especially if its the result of one or two artists griping because they didn't win an award.  And if they are mentioned, there should be notable articles or interviews that strongly support what's added.  There are no articles with Daddy Yankee, Hector el Father, Don Omar saying "Calle 13 aren't reggaetoneros, they didn't deserve an award".  They're doing tracks with Tego and Voltio, its clear there isn't a backlash against them, and if there is, offer up real references. 68.155.122.113 08:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * For example, there's a paragraph about how reggaeton artists were angry or frustrated with Calle 13's win, that Wisin y Yandel were frustrated and stood up, yet nothing in that paragraph is even mentioned in the article cited (not reggaeton artists in general, Wisin y Yandel standing up, etc).

It is mentioned in the Terra article that's cited.


 * Then there's the Ivy Queen article, which was taken out of context. Nothing in the article suggested that Ivy Queen was frustrated or even just joking (as any artist may about one artist getting too many awards, that they should share with others).

The article never said that she was frustrated. It said what was her opinion about Calle 13 winning and what was her general perception about it.


 * if they are mentioned, there should be notable articles or interviews that strongly support what's added.

Aside from the blog, the other citations come from Yahoo! Telemundo and Terra, and both articles come from Associated Press.


 * There are no articles with Daddy Yankee, Hector el Father, Don Omar saying "Calle 13 aren't reggaetoneros, they didn't deserve an award".

The article never said that Daddy Yankee, Don Omar, or Hector el Father (who wasn't even mentioned in it) said that. It just said that they (Don Omar and Yankee) were nominated to the same award.

I did clean up some of the article to be more along the line of what's said in the articles, but everything that was written is in the articles cited and was in the news during that time. Thief12 12:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, you haven't said what information was deleted from the article. Thief12 13:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Either you're not fluent in Spanish and are misreading the articles, or you're deliberately taking the articles out of context, because you're using references that simply do not reflect the additions that you're making. Ivy Queen is the only artist mentioned in the Terra article.  The reason why you added her quote to the critical reception area was to support your belief that other artists were frustrated with their win, but you spin it to make it seem as though the frustration stems from their classification as opposed to the fact that other reggaetoneros simply didn't win.  Nothing in that particular article specifies that Ivy Queen was frustrated with why they won, just that other artists didn't get a shot at an award.  I mention Don Omar, Daddy Yankee and Hector el Father not because you did, but to illustrate that there isn't a collective frustration about Calle 13 that you're trying to present.  You're making something out of nothing, without references to support it. 68.155.122.113 18:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Creo que mi español es bastante fluido, since it's my native language. Anyway, I rewrote the information which I think is important because, being here in Puerto Rico and seeing the news and all the hoopla that sprung when they won, I know there were beefs between other reggaeton artists and Calle 13, although he always dismiss them as nonsense. However, it's very tough to find decent source articles in Spanish, so I just rewrote it.


 * The Terra article only mentioned Ivy Queen but when she said that "everyone went to drink and they left me here" I knew she was referring to Wisin y Yandel among other reggaeton singers. Their response to that is then addressed in the previous Yahoo! Telemundo article.


 * Like I said, if you saw the news here when they won, many people argued about their win with the claim that they were not reggaeton, and lots of radio interviews I heard faced Residente with that question to which he always replied "The award was not for reggaeton artists, we are not reggaeton artists. It was an Urban Album Award." so on and on.


 * Anyway, I think the edits I just did reflect more what is cited... and I'm still waiting to read about the content I allegedly "removed without explanation" when I "butchered" the article. Cheers. Thief12 20:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Whether or not you are in Puerto Rico is irrelevant. News that you hear on the radio or in line at the grocery store is not citeable and falls into the realm of original research which is not allowed in Wikipedia.  Unsourced quotes on blogs are also unacceptable as references as per WP:SPS.  By your own admission, your additions to the article are based on assumption and personal opinion (examples: "I know there were beefs between other reggaeton artists and Calle 13", "I knew she was referring to Wisin y Yandel", and "lots of radio interviews I heard").  Nothing you've added to the article is supported by the references you've provided, everything you've added is point of view and original research, and none of it will be allowed in the article.  Wikipedia isn't a collection of personal insight and opinion, if you admit to not being able to find any sources to back up your additions, its safe to say that they aren't notable and don't add to the encyclopedic value of the article. 70.149.171.51 23:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * And based on that you dismiss a whole paragraph, and then come by saying that I'm the one that's "deleting information" and "butchering" articles. Only one line (the one that refers to Ivy Queen) was taken from a blog. The rest was taken directly from the two articles I've cited. My mention of what I know and what I've heard about Puerto Rican farandula comes by just to cement what's cited on the two articles, but they can stand on their own. Thief12 02:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Justification for Information

 * After their coup at the 2006 Latin Grammys, rumors arose that fellow nominees Wisin y Yandel were angered by the selection because they even stood up from their chairs when Calle 13 were announced as the winners of the award for Best Urban Music Album to which they were nominated as well. They later acknowledged they felt frustrated but wished the best to Calle 13.

This is explained in the Yahoo! Telemundo article (Click)


 * Although reggaeton singer Ivy Queen stated after the show that "Three Grammys are too much. There were other reggaeton artists to split it."

This is taken from the Terra article (Click)


 * She has spoken with Residente about the issue and she says that their win should serve as motivation for other reggaeton artists. Residente has said that he spoke with her about the issue and there's no beef between them.

This is the only part taken from a blog so it's ok to leave it out. Thief12 02:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna leave the article as is. It's not my intention to keep on replying on this talk page for days just for a minor thing. I do stand by the other corrections and the overall reorganization I did to the article and I don't consider them to be a "butchering" of it. Peace. Thief12 12:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Post an exact quote from the Telemundo article that states that Wisin y Yandel were angered, and that they stood up from their chairs out of anger. The Ivy Queen quote is verbatim, but its used to support the assumption that she was personally angry at Calle 13 because they won but are not considered reggaeton artists (and that's not anywhere in the article).  The only thing that can be proved with those references is that she made a comment about them winning too many awards, there's nothing to stop someone else from posting that she was overjoyed that they won and was jokingly pointing out that they won so many. Reorgnization is fine, but you're putting a serious spin on your additions without proper referencing, it calls your motives into question. 70.149.186.160 19:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture Quality
The main picture uploaded for the band's lead singer Residente should be replaced by a higher quality one. RayLast (talk) 20:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

A deletion
I deleted "Pa la tumba(hector el father) regg", becouse I thought i t was personal comment, if I madea mistake plis let me know. Bye FranK (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Sin Cojones... on Querido FBI
Dude, you got it wrong: "Sin cojones la radio y las ventas" comes from "(Me tiene) sin cojones la radio y las ventas"... "Me tiene sin cojones" is a phrase René uses constantly. It isn't a true reference to media or radio stations, it is actually a reference to how he reacts to media or radio being squeamish about the song. Therefore, the most accurate translation possible would be: "Bollocks with radio and sales..." I know the phrase is more British English than American, but there's no closer equivalent (an attempt to do the latter would be:"I'm without balls because of radio and sales...", which makes no sense in American English)I'll revert it, unless you want to discuss this further... Demf (talk) 23:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Criticism
The criticism subsection has been up for well over a year with no references (reference request tags were only added in October). It's very POV, and for the most part questionable and controversial. Reinserting certain criticisms should only be done if they are at least properly sourced, Wikipedia isn't a tabloid 74.248.71.71 (talk) 07:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting call, particularly coming from an anonymous reader. At least placing your user name in here would have guaranteed a collaborative reply.
 * I spent the best part of a week researching every bit that you see in there. As it sometimes happens here, I wanted to lay out the basics, so that other users add the references, but guess what: no one usually does it here on topics that are not part of mainstream English-language culture (understandable when the subject communicates in a language other than English). Granted, no references in a paragraph probably merit it being taken off, but the issue of POV puzzles me. If anything, the paragraphs are anything but. Note that every criticism placed in there is followed by an almost verbatim Residente quote reacting to it. The first track of Residente o Visitante is an undisputed fact. Flor Amelia Joglar's pistol and semi-automatic rifle on the first album cover pics are a fact. Maybe people's reactions to those are POV... but you'd have to elaborate. I'm tempted to re-research the paragraphs and reinstate them once provided with a reference. Demf (talk) 00:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

"Random"
I know it's quite pedantic, but follow the link to "random" in the sentence on Residente's lyrical subject matter and you'll see that it doesn't apply. I put "eclectic" -- if you have a better word use it but please don't change it back. Meesher (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Politics
This article could benefit from a "Political activism" section. El Alternativo (talk) 20:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)