Talk:Callie and Marie

Requested move 19 March 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Participants felt that the current titles are more appropriate, since RS often discuss the characters as individuals rather than just as members of their fictional idol group. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

– I request this move based on two rationales. First off, these two pages largely concern fictional idol groups and their performances as a whole, rather than a simple collection of unrelated characters. In the series, the groups act as a mascot of each titles (Squid Sisters for Splatoon and Off the Hook for Splatoon 2) with a huge emphasis on their activities together. So it seems the idol groups as article title makes the topic clearer.
 * Callie and Marie → Squid Sisters
 * Pearl and Marina → Off the Hook (Splatoon)

The second point is that Nintendo itself prefers referring to the idols this way officially. To name a few:
 * Splatoon Base is an official website providing factoids of the Splatoon universe. This has a Music section that introduces its fictional music groups and they have their pages as Squid Sisters and Off the Hook.
 * Nintendo of America runs an advertising program called Squid Research Lab, usually shared through social media. I'll focus on its official Tumblr run from 2014 to 2021 because it can be viewed without login. This blog posted news for Splatoon 2 during its lifespan and their coverage of Off the Hook preferred to address them as their group name on topics like concerts or DLC. The time it called attention to the individual characters, it was when it announced amiibo toys for both groups and each character could be purchased separately.
 * Nintendo of America's YouTube channel has uploaded the soundtrack of Splatoon 3, which is credited as in-universe songs from the groups. Both the Squid Sisters (City of Color, Tomorrow's Nostalgia Today) and Off the Hook (Color Pulse, We're So Back) are referred to as their group names, not "Callie and Marie" or "Pearl and Marina".
 * The Pearl and Marina article mentions their appearance as Super Smash Bros. Ultimate spirit. They appear as "Off the Hook".

There were a few attempts to move Pearl and Marina to Off the Hook (Splatoon) with one revert citing WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Given the official sources above and news outlets following the suit, however, it's clear "Squid Sisters" and "Off the Hook" are the primary names. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose This is a tough one - I should emphasize that WP:COMMONNAME renders your argument about their "official" name moot, so what we should look at is what they are referred to in reliable sources. Since the characters are also discussed individually and outside of their pop group as fictional characters, such as commending Nintendo for making Marina black, I do not think it would be correct to rename the articles to their pop group names, which implies the article is solely about the fictional group's actions within the fictional music scene. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per reasons listed by User:Zxcvbnm above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)