Talk:Calvary Chapel Association

Anthony Iglesias
I have removed a sentence which appeared to be a scurrilous attack on the four men who accused Iglesias of sexual abuse. Here is a link and quote from an article on the matter, it would be good if someone could summarize it properly. https://www.thedailybeast.com/calvary-chapels-tangled-web
 * Meanwhile, Smith’s Calvary Chapel Outreach Mission, which at the time acted as the denomination’s central organization, was denying its responsibility in an even more sordid legal battle. In 2011 four young men sued both a Calvary church in Idaho and Smith’s “mothership” in Costa Mesa, Calif., alleging that Calvary leadership had protected a pedophile youth minister who molested them as boys. The suit reportedly claimed that the accused pedophile, Anthony Iglesias, had been previously removed from a Calvary ministry in California and sent home from a Thailand mission trip for sexual misconduct with boys, and that the churches allowed him continued access to children despite knowing his history. One of the accusers alleged that when his parents approached Robert Davis, the senior pastor of the Idaho church, about Iglesias’s inappropriate contact with their son, Davis said, “Yeah, we knew. That’s why we pulled him out of Thailand.”


 * Iglesias was convicted of molesting two of the plaintiffs, but their case against Calvary was dismissed. (The young men's lawyer, Tim Kosnoff, told The Daily Beast that he would never take a sex-abuse case in Idaho again because the state’s court system is “very hostile to sexual-abuse victims and very friendly to perpetrators and institutions that enable them.”)

Wjhonson (talk) 16:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * A one or two sentence summary wouldn't be hard. Do you have a source other than the Daily Beast? It is not considered reliable - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#The_Daily_Beast. Ckruschke (talk) 18:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

BrainUnboxed2020 (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Rewrite for NPOV
I added a similarly worded revision to the article to get the NPOV rewriting jump started. I urge editors to continue to process and rework the material for NPOV. BrainUnboxed2020 (talk) 02:32, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Current: While still a member of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, Chuck Smith reported that a prophecy came to him in which the Lord said to him that He was changing his name. His new name would mean "Shepherd" because the Lord was going to make him the shepherd of many flocks and the church would not be large enough to hold all of the people who would be flocking to hear the Word of God.[2] In December 1965 Smith became the pastor (the English word "pastor" comes from the Latin pastor, meaning "shepherd"[3]) of a 25-person evangelical congregation[4] in Costa Mesa (California).[5] In 1968 this church broke away from the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel in Santa Ana, California. Before Smith became their pastor, twelve of the 25 members attended a prayer meeting about whether or not to close their church: they reported that "the Holy Spirit spoke to them through prophecy" and told them that Smith would become their pastor, that he would want to elevate the platform area, that God would bless the church, that it would go on the radio, that the church would become overcrowded, and that he would become known throughout the world.[6]

Rewrite: While a member of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, Chuck Smith told others of a vision in which he would lead a new large church.In December 1965 he became Pastor of a 25-person evangelical congregation in Costa Mesa California. Members spoke of their own vision of becoming part of a massive church movement. In1968 they broke away from Foursquare International.

Current: Smith's book Harvest recorded an almost identical prophecy delivered to 16 discouraged people ready to quit.[6][need quotation to verify]

Rewrite: This line should now be deleted for NPOV — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrainUnboxed2020 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read, Editor Tim C. Leedom, 1993
"One of the centers of this movement was Calvary Chapel, in Santa Ana, California. Its leader, the Reverend Chuck Smith, is a staunch, conservative minister from the pentecostal Foursquare denomination who once showed John Birch Society films to his growing youth group. As a younger man. Rev. Smith sang solo in the worship services of the Rev. Virginia Brandt Berg, the mother of the infamous David Berg, founder of the Children of God cult

Smith has been known to publicly denounce homosexualist liberal theologians. I have seen him in the pulpit, while talking of the gay church, violently slamming his fist down on the pulpit, and with acrid countenance, tell his sheepish flock that if he flew a jet bomber, those churches would be the first targets of his deserved wrath" p. 395

Comment: It is easy for me to find passages like this in a variety of published works. It brings to mind that perhaps rather than piling references like this up in the "criticism" section that the internal political views of the leaders of Calvary Chapel deserve some focus in this article. Is it fair to say that at a leadership level that Calvary Chapel is a far right wing populist, "Christian Nationalist" movement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrainUnboxed2020 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

In terms of far right wing populism and political extremism, consider this reference to Chuck Missler

Update
What about the CCA / CGN developments? 2A01:4C8:D20:130E:75CF:F7AD:E61B:4A2B (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2023 (UTC)