Talk:Calvin University/Archive 1

Festival of Faith and Music
There should be a section (or at least a link to) on the Student Activities Office, especially highlighting the incresingly prestigious festival faith and music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Walawalapb (talk • contribs) 16:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Laughterhouse 5
Most Calvin students haven't heard of it...should it really be listed as one of three student organizations? Either the list needs to be extended or they need to go.

Matt Dunmore
Matt Dunmore sent me an email apparently unhappy with my removal of his addition as notable alumni (here is the diff). I suggested we bring it here for consensus, and thus am.
 * Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 598 for "matt dunmore".

Most of these results seem to be his site or links to other photo forums. I did not see enough to establish notability, but welcome correction. Wikibofh 17:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Leave it out. Even a google search for "Matt Dunmore" site:calvin.edu is useless while the ones already on there turn up something. Matt can suck it up and stop abusing Wikipedia for his link spam.--Will2k 17:47, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Calvin Coolidge
I'm not sure, I think that it might be a bit outlandish to think people would really misspell college for Coolidge. ejdmoo 21:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

2006 Spoof Controversy
This year's spoof controversy. I was delighted to see it mentioned here as the dialogue is so engaging and meaningful but- in the final analysis, is it a significant event to be included in the timeline? I tend to think that it is not.

However, there should be a direct link to the chimes website, though I'm not sure where. Maybe in a new "external links" section..--Bstoep 19:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * fixed. &mdash; goethean &#2384; 19:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the link directly to the Chimes Spoof should be included, as the page is not hosted by or endorsed by Calvin. ejdmoo 21:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that having the spoof link on the external links section implies that the page is officially sponsored by Calvin...external link sections often have news articles and such from independent media, which are obviously not sponsored by the institution featured in the article. I would definately support keeping the direct link.Erudy 21:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Notable Alumni Cleanup
The notable alumni list needs to be cleaned up. In order to establish notability, the alumni should have their own article. If they currently do not have their own article either:

1. An article needs to be created to establish notability.
 * or

2. The person needs to be removed from the list.

The list is long and has many red links. Don't take it personally if you or your favorite person is removed. I consider myself very notable, yet I certainly don't meet the guidelines given by WP:Notability.

--Benwildeboer 02:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've pulled off any "notable" alumni without a Wikipedia article to establish notability. The list of deleted "notable" alumni are listed below in case anyone would like to establish their notability per Notability (people).


 * Stephen P. Beals, surgeon
 * Henry D. Tazelaar, pathologist
 * James Bere', businessman
 * P. Dean Bok, professor of anatomy, cell biology, and ophthalmology
 * O.K. Bouwsma, philosopher
 * Robert J. Daverman, mathematician
 * Dale S. De Haan, diplomat
 * Thomas R. De Meester, surgeon
 * Kaitlin A. DeStigter, political activist
 * Calvin DeWitt, environmental scientist and ethicist
 * Alexander Dragt, physicist
 * Gerald Gabrielse, physicist
 * James Gage, professor of orthopaedics
 * Robert H. Haveman, economist (U. of Wisconsin)
 * Garret Heyns, penologist
 * Roger Heyns, educator
 * John R. Huizenga, nuclear chemist
 * William Harry Jellema, philosopher
 * Corrine Kass, professor of special education
 * Marvin H. Kosters, economist, author (American Enterprise Institute)
 * Theodore J. Kreps, business professor
 * Florence Kuipers, linguist
 * Jack Kuipers, mathematician
 * Jeannine Oppewall, production designer L.A. Confidential, Catch Me If You Can, Seabiscuit
 * Charles Spoelhof, engineer
 * Douglas Steenland, businessman (CEO, Northwest Airlines)
 * Harry S. Stout, historian
 * Amry Vandenbosch, political scientist
 * Paul Vanden Bout, astronomer
 * Gordon Van Wylen, engineering professor, educator
 * Dale VanKley, historian, scholar (French Revolution, modern Europe) professor at Ohio State University —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goethean (talk • contribs) 21:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Please do not simply re-add these or add other people whose notability is not or cannot be established. Be sure to check out Wikipedia's notability guidelines for people. Thanks! --benwildeboer D (talk - contribs) 14:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Al Pratt
I looked through the link, it appears that the "Calvin College" in the comic was named for a fictional town "Calvin City" and probably has no relation to this school.

Traditions Section
I think that the recent traditions section that was added needs to go. It is full of non-notable, unverifable things that should not be here. Any other thoughts?-- Eva  b  d  15:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, many of the activites on the Traditions list are minor. What would be your standard for making the list? Many colleges list traditions. Some activities are regular and have multiple participants (Cold Knight Club) while others have fewer participants but an impact on campus life (ie. Wandering Cheese, Moses statue). Bushop 01:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer to see a separate "Traditions" page like some other schools. Sam Fillious 21:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Most of them are not notable.  Heck, I went to Calvin and I've not heard of most of them.  How about this, I'll remove it for now, but with an open invite for notable ones to be re-added with appropriate sourcing (i.e. links to non-Calvin news coverage).  Scott.wheeler (talk) 15:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Alumni and Faculty Section
The Faculty that were also Alumni were limited to one entry. This limits the thoroughness of both lists. Under Alumni it was written what they were notable for (Vern Ehlers and Paul B. Henry as government officials) while under Faculty it is written when and what they taught. To mix the information would be sloppy (?) Bushop 01:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Event and Tradition Section
Should 'Convocation' and 'Graduation' be listed under traditions or events? Norman Zylstra 20:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Athletics Section
re: changing the Calvin-Hope rivalry to a local (state, west Michigan) is not more realistic. It is considerd by ESPN and Sport Illustrated as one of the top rivalries in college sports. I strongly disagree with the changes made. Sam Fillious (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Excessive Lists
There are far too many lists in the entry. While making long columns of things relating to Calvin may be easy and conveys some information, it is the not the way a good article should be written. There needs to be more text relating to these items, otherwise they may not need to be in the entry. Ejd24 (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I could not agree more. -- Eva  b  d  16:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should spin-off a bunch of the lists into their own pages? Traditions, admissions facts, and notable alumni would be especially well suited for spinoffs. Crp5 (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They probably need to just be trimmed down. For instance in the case of traditions, unless there are reliable sources (and no, Spark and Chimes don't count there), they should be removed.  I'm going to start flagging some stuff and adding fact tags. Scott.wheeler (talk) 15:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Controversy
RECENTLY SEVERAL FACULTY LEFT (AT LEAST TWO IN SUPPORT) DUE TO CALVIN COLLEGE REQUIREMENTS FOR CRC CHURCH MEMBERSHIP AND PREFERENCE FOR OTHER CHURCH MEMERSHIP BY PROFESSOR DR. DENISE ISOM, A FACULTY MEMBER. A GOOGLE SEARCH RE DENISE ISOM CALVIN COLLEGE WILL SUPPLY REFERENCE INFORMATION REGARDING THE CONTROVERSY. SUBMITTED BY JAMES VV, jlv2@redshift.com 207.177.231.9 (talk) 08:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you could add that information to the article.-- Eva  b  d  18:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Aside from the sensationalism of the Grand Rapids Press, it was not as big of an issue as some would make it to seem. Ejd24 (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it was a pretty big issue - an African-American female professor resigning, especially with Calvin having so few minorities in the faculty. The Slowphase (talk) 04:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Navigational Box
Perhaps we could add one of those navigational boxes to help make navigating between different Calvin College related pages easier. Examples of subjects could be Presidents, Notable Alumni, Traditions, Athletics, Traditions, Events, Notable Faculty, History, etc. Crp5 (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Collection of Calvin-related articles of dubious notoriety
Hi folks -- I've been doing a little cleaning on the article in the last couple of days. One thing that I've noticed is that there are a good number of recently created satellite articles, which in my opinion are probably not noteworthy in their own rite. For instance:


 * Spoelhof Center
 * Hiemenga Hall
 * Gezon Auditorium
 * Lab Theatre
 * Calvin Theatre Company
 * President of Calvin College (plus articles for each president of Calvin College, perhaps the one article could stay and the 10 extras go)

I'd like to hear other thoughts on this though before suggesting an AfD.

Scott.wheeler (talk) 15:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. If every building on every college campus had its own article, I doubt that any great purpose would be served. Ditto for separate articles on things like the Calvin Theatre Company, fine organization though it is.  The existing link to it from the main article is sufficient. Bytwerk (talk) 02:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If there are no objection here in the next few days I'll merge the content of the above articles into Calvin College and WP:Speedy the empty results and merge the articles about the presidents into a single article. Scott.wheeler (talk) 20:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Discriminatory Practices Section
I made some phrasing changes here. I realize that conciseness is a worthy goal, but the prior phrasing might cause some questions: Why is the phrase "homosexual relations of all sorts" used? Does Calvin explicitly emphasize the "all sorts"? (I can't find any such explicitness.) What does the "this" mean in the sentence that follows ("This led to..."), since the previous sentence also talks about requiring church membership. The APA policy does not sanction in regard to requiring religious affiliation, so long as the criteria for that affiliation do not discriminate based on other attributes (such as sexual orientation). Essentially, Calvin claims to have a nondiscriminatory policy in regard to sexual orientation, but requires celibacy of those who aren't heterosexual. The APA policy states that one cannot discriminate against conduct "integrally connected" with a protected status. I chose to use more of Calvin's own words, even though this meant a slightly longer text.--Profspeak (talk) 11:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Correction. Since the Christian Reformed Church distinguishes between "homosexual orientation" and "homosexual practice" (proscribing the latter), requiring membership in that church would, I suppose, violate APA policy. But I still don't like the broad "this" introducing the second sentence. --Profspeak (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The sources here are dated (I have cited the new web handbook sources), and the language I find too rhetorical. There is no reason to include anything about the right to hire members of one's own faith, which is indeed protected by Title VII, but not the issue. I see no reason to get into the arguments by each side--whether this is a First Amendment right or whether or not Calvin actually has a discriminatory hiring policy (which it claims not to). Instead, I think we need just a statement of Calvin's conduct code and a statement of what the APA did in response to that code.Profspeak (talk) 16:52, 10 January 2015 (UTC)16:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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