Talk:Camauro

My first article
Wow, I've started my first article. =| Anyway, if anyone can find a picture for this, that'd be cool. The first one at 1 might be good, though I prefer something like 2. I have no idea what the copyright status of either of those is, though. And it's well past my bedtime. --User:Jenmoa 05:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Found a pic on Wikipedia. Heh, how bout that. XD I can't seem to resize it. If someone could make this page look a bit neater, that would be awesome. --User:Jenmoa 05:49, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Removed anon zucchetto edit
On 10:22, 2005 December 22, anonymous user 65.206.77.194 made an edit with the summary: ''Changed biretta to zucchetto. Cardinals wear birettas, not popes.'' I changed it back to biretta, because (as far as I can tell), the original intent of the sentence is that all R.C. clerics can wear a modern version of the four-cornered academic hat -- for lesser clergy (from seminarians to cardinals) this is the biretta (with variations in form) -- but the camauro is the pope's version of the academic hat. Thus the camauro is the pope's biretta, so to speak.

It would be interesting to know if popes have worn the camauro in addition to the zucchetto, or if they typically have taken the zucchetto off before doning the camauro. Anyone know? &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 17:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, that was the original intent of the sentence. I was about to remove the change, as well, but I left it because I figured it could be ambiguous. Whatever everyone else thinks... :) --User:Jenmoa 17:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Changed this a little again, but I'm not sure I got across what I was trying to say. I know zucchettos (zucchetti?) are also worn by other members of the clergy, but that the pope wears it only and not a biretta. I don't know how to fit that in concisely, anyone take a crack at it? =\ Thanks. --User:Jenmoa 01:27, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Christmasy?
This may sound silly but I don't suppose the camauro has any connection with Santa's hat, does it? When I first saw the picture of Pope Benedict wearing it I thought he was just getting into the festive spirit but then realised it linked to this article - the two do look similar except one doesn't have the bob at the back!? Craigy (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I have no proof mind, but the answer to your question is probably not. Doing a quick google image search on St Nicholas of Myra (the prototype for Santa Claus) does not show that the camauro or anything like it was part of the traditional iconography. There are some promising ones showing him wearing red vestments but I suspect they are influenced by Fr C's image. Red vestments are used in pictures/statues of saints who are Martyrs (red being the colour for Martyrs' feast days). Stroika 23:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Why was the bit about Benedict's being compared to Santa Claus removed? I don't particularly care if it's included or not, but in what way did it violate NPOV? Just wondering. --User:Jenmoa 19:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think a lot of people thought it was rather (if unintentionally) Christmasy. We should add it back, perferable with a citation. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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