Talk:Camberwell

Wikiproject London
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, and this accounts for the large number of relaxed yet fashionable bars in the area. The Snug Bar (Camberwell Road) is good for cocktails and serves a roast lunch on Sundays. The house DJ plays old-skool reggae and a jazz band performs most Sunday nights. The Redstar, on the green, caters for a younger crowd and is often packed with people dancing to eighties / nineties pop on Firday and Saturday nights. Those people who prefer a more traditional pub should head for the Hermit's cave, at the corner of Grove Lane, although this, too gets very crowded at weekends.

The above is from the main page. I don't think a pub guide to camberwell is encyclopedic. Secretlondon 12:40, Nov 1, 2003 (UTC)

Crime
Hello, I'm new here. Is "Rumour has it that Camberwell Green has the highest crime rate of any place in europe." suitable for the Wikipedia? It seems to me that self-professed rumour isn't the sort of thing that should be in an encyclopedia.

Camberwell carrot
I would welcome some discussion on whether or not a link to the fabled carrot is of relevance to this page. Personally I think it should stay in. Camberwell and neighbouring Brixton & Peckham are places where you can't walk down the high street without smelling marijuana, and the "Camberwell Carrot" riff from Withnail and I is one of the few times the place is referenced in popular culture. Perhaps if there was a "Camberwell in popular culture" heading we could dig up a few more links, such as Basement Jaxx's song "She lives in Camberwell, I live in Brixton". Thoughts? --PaulWicks 10:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The camberwell carrot is one of the most recognisable things in popular culture that refers to Camberwell. I think it's as relevant here as Guns of Brixton is to the Brixton article. - Vaughan 06:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Other external links
There are a number of active community websites which could be added to the list of external links. In my view, they would provide useful information about the area. However, they are mostly unofficial blogs, which the guidelines say should generally be avoided. The ones I am thinking of are the Camberwell Online Blog, Forgotten Camberwell, and the SE5 Pool within Flickr. There is also Camberwell Environment, though here there is a potential conflict of interest, as the blog is the creation of my husband.

I'd welcome views on whether it would be appropriate to include these.Cdmason 15:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Since no-one has responded to my previous comment, I have added links to two of the four websites mentioned above. Cdmason 16:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * A bit later here... but this is not really a chat page. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 12:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced material
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While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 11:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Jarvis Cocker frequently visited the art college in the early 1990s - Pulp's song "59 Lyndhurst Grove" is about going to a party on the Camberwell/Peckham border
 * Felix Mendelssohn stayed with relatives in 1842 and wrote a piano piece called "Camberwell Green", whose popularity increased after it was renamed the "Spring Song".
 * W. S. Gilbert also made ironic mention of it in the comic opera, Trial by Jury.
 * Muriel Spark's novel, The Ballad of Peckham Rye also makes mention of places in and around Camberwell
 * UK dance act Basement Jaxx released a track called I Live in Camberwell

Here is a reference to Jarvis Cocker being thrown out of 59 Lyndhurst Grove in the Evening Standard Booklung (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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Dulwich, Peckham, and Nunhead?
The 1916 map seems to indicate that Dulwich, Peckham and Nunhead – also part of Herne Hill? – are part of Camberwell, but the articles appears to contradict this. I'm presuming that the problem arises because of changes over time (in particular the sub-dividing of the original parish with the growth of suburbia). It needs to be clarified. (See Metropolitan Borough of Camberwell and British History online ]) Rwood128 (talk) 14:16, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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An industry section?
I think this page on Camberwell would benefit if it had a section on Camberwell's industrial history, and other well known enterprises that were once based here. It used to have a lot of factories - all gone now. This is something that could be reflected in a section on Camberwell. For example R White's lemonade, Marmite and Dualit toasters all used to be made in Camberwell. Codd, a famous Victorian lemonade maker which used bottles with glass balls in their necks was also here. Futura paperbacks were once headquartered here. Save the Children the charity used to be based in Camberwell. Any thoughts? Booklung (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * A good idea. Rwood128 (talk) 15:35, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Muriel Spark
Why has Muriel Spark been taken out? She lived in Camberwell until she moved to Rome - living at 13 Baldwin Crescent. Why has she been taken out? She is among the most significant people to ever live in the area, and her omission is bizarre.


 * Booklung, she is discussed in the section "Literature" (my edit indicated that). Rwood128 (talk) 13:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Lordship Lane railway station
Lordship Lane railway station was in the Metropolitan Borough of Camberwell but not in Camberwell itself, the subject of this article. A picture of it is not pertinent here. Mutt Lunker (talk) 01:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Mutt Lunker I had thought tha the ambiguity around the word "Camberwell" in this article had been resolved. I've always read this article as being about the original parish of Camberwell, and it includes material on Peckham, Dulwich, the history of the parish of Camberwell, as well as the current more limited distict of Camberwell. Maybe the name of this article should be changed to Parish of Camberwell and merged with the Borough article and a new one created for the district? Rwood128 (talk) 02:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I realise that the word district" is also ambiguous! Rwood128 (talk) 02:15, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The comment about Muriel Spark, above, is relevant. Rwood128 (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Apart from mention that the extent of the historical parish and borough covered a wider area and an anomalous inclusion of a paragraph and photo of "nearby Peckham Rye" and William Blake, the material in the article is entirely in regard to the contemporary extent of Camberwell, as far as I can tell. I had noted the Peckham Rye paragraph for potential removal but held off in case I'd missed a reference elsewhere to, say, Blake in Camberwell itself. The Muriel Spark comment regards an address in what is contemporary Camberwell. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:06, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

There may be others listed here as born in Camberwell but from Peckham, Dulwich or Herne Hill, e.g. someone born in, say, East Dulwich would at one time have been registered in Camberwell Registration District (until 1991 according to Free BMD). And "who lived in" might mean the borough? It would be helpful if the boundaries of the current "place" were givem. I found this Google map.

Might I suggest amending the lede to indicate that Camberwell can refer to the original village of Camberwell, which would have been in the vicinity of Camberwell Green and St Giles Church; the Parish of Camberwell that existed from .. to.. and included Peckham, etc; the Borough of Camberwell that was created .. and and included ..., which was then merged ....; and a more recently a place, more or less the area of the original village, bounded by Peckham to the east, Dulwich and Herne Hill to the south, Walworth to the north and Kennington the west. And to make it clear that the article is about all these. What do you think Mutt Lunker?

Also is Denmark Hill really part of the contemporary "Camberwell", or now a distinct district? Also is Dog Kennel Hill in East Dulwich, Denmark Hill, or Camberwell (meaning the smaller district)? Rwood128 (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Anyone born in or associated with Camberwell in the last half-century plus is bound to be from what would now be regarded as core Camberwell. The only anomaly I can see on a quick sift is Enid Blyton, with her brief association with Dulwich. As with most suburbs, the exact boundaries are not set and they don't fit with political boundaries (split between Southwark and Lambeth) but I'd largely agree with the map. I'm a bit surprised that Kings College Hospital is not included; certainly they seem to believe that's where they're located. I'd say the same for the streets immediately to its west, the part of Ruskin Park to its south and probably a bit further down Denmark Hill and east as far as Dog Kennel Hill. Lordhsip Lane Station is a good couple of miles to the south, incidentally.


 * As it's somewhat fragmented, I'm not quite sure how your lede would read but I think that the current version seems much clearer and to flow better.


 * The northern part of Denmark Hill, including the station, is definitively in Camberwell; a bit moot the closer you get to Red Post Hill. Dog Kennel Hill, the southen slope of that hill, is Dulwich; the northern slopes are Camberwell and not referred to as DKH. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

South Circular
Why is it relevant to an article on Camberwell that "The South Circular Road passes through Dulwich"? I guess you could say "nearby Dulwich" if it is regarded as a sufficiently significant asset to note having this in a neighbouring area. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC)