Talk:Cameron House Hotel Fire


 * Note that 18 January 2018 AfD discussion Articles for deletion/Cameron House Hotel fire closed as: "delete with no prejudice to recreation as a redirect to Cameron House."

This should probably be merged into Cameron House.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Recreates a deleted page Articles for deletion/Cameron House Hotel fire.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, especially to E.M.Gregory: The original article was deleted one month after the fire. As WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE says, "this may be difficult or impossible to determine shortly after the event occurs, as editors cannot know whether an event will receive further coverage or not." At the time of the fire, it was covered nationally in the UK, and also had some international coverage (eg Ireland). There were further news articles about the investigation - 4 months after the fire "Forensic experts finally allowed access to Cameron House hotel", seven months later "Cameron House handed back to owners after fire investigation work" , and eight months later, "Mystery remains after fire investigators complete probe into Cameron House blaze - Scottish Fire and Rescue Service has concluded their investigation but will not publicly reveal their findings." , and "Crown Office investigates deadly Cameron House blaze" . As these articles say, " The investigation is now under the remit of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. A Crown Office spokesman said: "The procurator fiscal has received reports in connection with the deaths of Simon Midgely and Richard Dyson at the Cameron House Hotel, Loch Lomond on December 18, 2017. “The investigation into the death by Police Scotland, under the direction of the Scottish Fatalities Investigation Unit (SFIU), is ongoing and the families will continue to be kept updated in relation to any significant developments." " As the men who died were from London, when the results of that investigation are released, they will almost certainly be reported nationally. There has been speculation about factors involved in the spread of the fire (one article quoted " John Gow, a senior investigator with International Fire Investigators and Consultants (IFIC), told our sister newspaper, The Herald, that it could not yet be argued that sprinklers would have saved lives in Cameron House because the full facts of the causes of the fire were not yet available. He said: "Judging by the scale of the Cameron House fire I made an assumption that it was unlikely that there were sprinklers, because sprinklers are effective in containing fires and containing them to a room or an area of origin, which is their purpose." ". Another article, "A need for transparency. Cameron House: the disturbing questions" mentioned speculation about the spread of the fire: "Fourteen fire engines attended a blaze which may have swept through voids in the building, 'empty spaces which act like chimneys,' and commented "More disturbing still is the appalling speed with which the fire appears to have spread through the funnel provided by those voids in the fabric. Cameron House is not unique. There will be many old hotels in Scotland with similar features." It seems to me that this fire could meet WP:EVENTCRIT - that is, while it's not yet certain that it does, it's also not clear that it doesn't. There are certainly many more sources, and it seems very insensitive that the only one included is about the restoration, and is a link to the hotel's own website.
 * If this article is merged into the Cameron House article, that article should have more about the fire and the investigation. I have added some sources there already, but I am unclear about the process for merging so as to retain the history of the merged page. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


 * User:RebeccaGreen I think you could just contest the PROD and do an uncontested merge. Article creator is an obvious SPA, almost certainly created this as PROMO to alert customers that  the hotel will reopen.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:24, 25 December 2018 (UTC)