Talk:Cameron Phillips/Archive 1

Eating
Seems like she (or it) might be able to eat? Ctrl build (talk) 01:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The original script for The Terminator (available on the special edition DVD) describes the Series 800 Model 101 eating a candy bar in two bites, without bothering to remove the wrapper.—MJBurrage(T•C) 18:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * On a Terminator fan page this pointed out that she/it may be put food on her mouth and i guess put it on some kind of stomach like container but the real question is if she is able to extract  energy form the food iDosh! (talk) 00:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * we know that she can eat it, in my opinion it would be more logical to dispose the food eaten than to process energy from it---Gcancelado (talk) 00:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Model Number
Anyone have any information on that yet? Ctrl build (talk) 01:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC) A fan who got to visit the set, and meet Summer Glau, has reported that Cameron is a Series 888. However GetTerminated.com suggests that Cromartie is the Series 888. I would guess that the latter site is what various fan sites have based this detail on. Pretty thin evidence either way to me.—MJBurrage(T•C) 18:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In the first half of the pilot, she specifies her generation (~23?), but not her model #. 162.84.130.143 (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually she says that she if from 2027, and that she has been looking for the Connors for 73 days. Later john asks "What model are you?  Are you new?  You seem… different", to which Cameron replies "I am".
 * Cromartie is probably an 8xx series, like Arnold's terminator, though obviously not a model 101 (which all look like Arnold out of the factory). As to Cameron's series and model number, it has not been revealed yet, officially.  Glau's comment that she is a series 888 may be true, but we don't know how the different models look, nor what abilities she has in full.  She's also from 2 years earlier than the original terminators are supposed to be from, but given the advances in technology between 1984 (when The Terminator was set), and now, it is possible that both the resistance and Skynet have been able to move forward at a greater pace in the time line, since Judgment Day is supposed to happen in 2011 instead of 1997 like originally intended. UncleThursday (talk) 07:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The 2027 thing seems more inconsistency than anything else, because apparently Kyle Reese was sent from there and not 2029. The idea that Skynet had a greater tech base and was able to advance farther and faster because it was created in 2011 instead of 1997 doesn't really work either.  It may have started with more advanced technology, but it had only 16 years to get to the 8xx series instead of 32 years.  We should probably throw out the 1997 original Judgement day with this continuity anyway.  Dialog in Terminator 2 said that it was 3 years away, setting it in 1994 or maybe 1995, but the first episode of the series referred to the second film's events as two years ago when they were in 1999.  Clearly Judgement day couldn't have been 3 years away in 1997 if the second film took place in 1997.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.111.115.81 (talk) 00:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if anybody else caught this, but in the second episode, one of the Terminators in 2007 identifies her as an "Unknown Cyborg" rather than a machine in his HUD. Given all the other plot inconsistencies so far, it might be nothing, but I have a bad feeling that it will turn out to be some lame attempt at a plot twist later on. - Krymore (talk • contribs) 03:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * All of the Terminators are, cyborgs, and Reese referred to the Series 800 as such. Even the Series 1000, had to be "living" to time travel. —MJBurrage(T•C) 18:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Even in Terminator 2, Arnold's terminator refers to itself as a cybernetic organism, so, yes, all terminators that have flesh (IE not the rubber skinned ones) are considered cyborgs. Also, Kyle Reese calls the terminator from the original movie a cybernetic organism. UncleThursday (talk) 08:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say that is wrong to classify cameron as a series 800, since she clearly has a different chassis than the 800. she has a smaller endoskeleton and she has her hips larger and the waist smaller to accurately appear as a female, this would be impossible with the 800 endoskeleton. the model its TOK715 according to a fox promo poster, reference 17 on the article --> ([] apparently that's all that is known about the model so far.--Gcancelado (talk) 01:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Flesh
While we may have to wait and see, it appears that Cameron's flesh covering over her endoskeleton is capable of regeneration/healing in a particularly short amount of time. She is shown in the pilot to sustain damage around her temples and near her collar bone, but by the end of the episode these injuries seem to be gone (most noticeable when they arrive in 2007). I don't know if this is just a continuity mess up, which is likely, or if it is hinting at some sort of sped up self-regeneration ability of the flesh covering her endoskeleton (technically, the flesh around the basic model terminators is organic, so it should be capable of regeneration, given enough time, but the regeneration seen is far faster than any human could heal those types of wounds). UncleThursday (talk) 12:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd expect any of the Terminators with living skin to be able to heal faster than a human-or at least that some of them have this capability. I'm assuming "Cameron" does.  Wolfpup7 (talk) 06:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Although we have no official declaration of how fast a Terminator's flesh repairs itself. In Terminator 2, Sarah Connor was told that the bullet wounds Arnold's Terminator had received would heal up when she asked about it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.111.115.81 (talk) 00:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * True, but they didn't expect to only be keeping him for a couple of days. At that point in the story, they expected to be keeping him around for a while, possibly a lifetime. The Terminator didn't say or imply anything about faster-than-human healing. — NRen2k5 (TALK), 16:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe the chemical formula Cromartie had Dr. Flemming replicate is normally present in later-model Terminators' blood. — NRen2k5 (TALK), 16:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's safe to say Terminator biochemistry is very different from ours. Since its only real purpose is for disguise, it's likely optimized for quick regeneration.  In one episode, I believe Agent Ellison has Cromartie's blood analyzed, and learns it has no red blood cells.  So I don't think you can conceive of it simply as human flesh draped on a metal skeleton.  It has to be different, in certain ways, because Terminators don't seem to have organs that would supply oxygen and nutrients to the organic tissue and take away toxins.  They don't have to eat, and we've never seen them take a pit stop.  Thus their biology has to diverge from ours in a number of ways, and so I don't think we need to assume the way they heal has to be just like ours. Wikipedia has an excellent article on wound healing, which reveals how incredibly complicated it must be to repair flesh.  Fritter (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It might also be worth noting that Cameron stands next to a 2500 degree flame with absolutely no adverse effect on her skin or hair. Slightly different from a typical human's skin reaction to that kind of heat. Peptuck (talk) 01:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Quite true. We'll have to see (hopefully) how well she is able to withstand being car bombed. Fritter (talk) 21:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that that the Terminators' skin heals by itself at a rate faster than human skin -- in the second episode of the second season, when John remarks that her wounds are 'healing quickly', she replies 'quicker than yours'.117.192.110.75 (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Social Skills
While this is purely speculation on my part, it seems her programming allowed her to appear far more human until a threat to John Connor's life was discovered. It is possible that the social interaction part of her programming has either gone into dormancy or is now considered by her programming to be of secondary or even lower priority over ensuring the completion of her mission (to protect John Connor). UncleThursday (talk) 22:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My guess is that it's a combination of several things.


 * 1: She spent 73 days 'undercover' before meeting John the first time. She seems to have learned the various phrases from people, as some of them appear to be slightly out of place and stilted when rewatching those scenes. Now she's in an urban environment as opposed to the 'hick town' and maybe she thinks it's time to 'relearn'. She's also wearing makeup and dresses that makes her look like more of a tramp than in NM. Or is that just me?


 * 2: Maybe that high-voltage reboot and the time travel messed with her, and she needs time to readjust?


 * Either way I think they'll explain it - I bet they couldn't resist putting in all the awkward situations that the 'confused Terminator' can create. --Joffeloff (talk) 23:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not getting too technical here, i hope, but it seems the most likely explanation is that she had a special program written specifically for her first few interactions with John, to gain his confidence. Once she had executed the code from that program, she reverted back to her usual social skills, which are, at baseline, not very good. The overly flirtatious behavior she demonstrated early on was all pre-programed. That's my suspicion, anyway. Whether the writers thought it through is another issue entirely. GG The Fly (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

She probably has no need to the social skills she showed in the pilot now that shes found john and gained his trust.75.68.165.212 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think her social skills really were that much better in the pilot. In the pilot, she only had to convince John, and she already knew him from the future. Later on, she has to convince strangers in more complicated situations. Obviously, she will perform poorly in those cases. 84.238.68.252 (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking the same thing. The most plausible explanation is that her introduction conversation was programmed in advance and not a display of actual social skills. --Scandum 16:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scandum (talk • contribs)

Maybe because it was the pilot episode and they decided to leave the humanity out of the machine afterwards. Duhman0009 (talk) 05:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * To me it seems nearly all the statements and phrases she used in the pilot were 'recorded' from conversations she had before, emotions and everything. She was there for more than two months - plenty of time to prepare a 'routine' to fool someone. --Joffeloff (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is actually supported by events within "The Devil's Hand" where she is clearly following a "program" in being assigned to ingratiate herself with the ballet teacher and her brother. Once the program was complete (and she had information about the Turk) she left, and allowed them to be killed because her program didn't include an instruction to protect them (nor, as she says in dialogue, did it include instruction to kill them herself). Of course the fact she's shown dancing by herself (coupled with other behavior) suggests she might be starting to transcend her programming. But it does support the fact that she was simply executing a program when she befriended John at school by impersonating a human. Once the program was complete, she became, to a degree, a template again. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 14:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

HUD
I changed "visual frame" to Head-up display only for better word choice, and edited the sentence slightly.Tsurettejr (talk) 12:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction with Cameron's origin?
When the Terminator that killed 3 of the 4 guys of the resistance scanned Cameron, the scan said "Unknown Cyborg" or something. But if Cameron was captured and reprogrammed by the resistance (stated in the latest episode), why would she be an Unknown Cyborg? Duhman0009 (talk) 05:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I've figured there are a few possibilities. One is just that that T-800 was sent back prior to the creation of "Cameron". But my pet theory I've held since the first or second episode is that Cameron was entirely or at least partially designed and/or built by John. I've gotten the feeling that she's connected to him in some way more than the "typical" reprogrammed Terminator) Either way, not all Terminators know of her existance. Wolfpup7 (talk) 06:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * A Terminator made by the resistance was my theory as well since EP1, which is why I was crushed when I saw that flash back in that last episode. Might seem stupid, but the simple fact her eyes have a blue glow instead of red like the others (including the reprogrammed ones in T2 and T3 (Arnold)) seemed the make her different beyond belief, including a different metal skeleton. Duhman0009 (talk) 06:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * She's probably quite different, after all she does say that 'sometimes they go bad', not 'sometimes we go bad'. --Joffeloff (talk) 11:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure we can read much into the glowing eye thing. Prior to this series, the glowing eye shots had all been restricted to the movie trailers.  The actual scenes in the movies had no such eye flares.  The most consistent thing is that whenever it's an 8XX you get a red flare.  And if it's a female Terminator such as Cameron or the T-X, it's a blue flare.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.111.115.81 (talk) 00:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The "sometimes they go bad" quote sounded to me like she was repeating something a human said, it was the tone of voice she uses when she's doing that elsewhere. 71.145.131.230 (talk) 02:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, Derek's initial reaction on contact with Cameron in the future is to start shooting, so its clear he's encountered or been briefed on Skynet models that look like her. It may be due to modifications made by Tech-Com to her; the blue eyes, for example, and the fact that she seems to be given a lot of trust for someone who could potentialy "go bad" at any second. Preview for the next episode indicates that the Cameron sent back and the Cameron in the futre are the same Terminator, too. Peptuck (talk) 12:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that Cameron is unique for some reason and that Derek only shot at her because he's able to recognized a Terminator in disguise (they do walk straight). Cameron did say she was different and obviously, John knew that or he wouldn't have sent her back in time to protect his younger self.


 * Also, Charley Dixon, (who before that episode, had never seen a Terminator), was totally freaked out by Cameron, even more than the skinned Terminator she was about to burn. Which kind of makes sense considering that most of the Terminators she fought have also be sort of afraid of her. This reminds me of the old Buffy quote: Generally speaking, when scary things get scared: not good.
 * Duhman0009 (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As for Derek's initial reaction, the fact that Cameron jumps onto a moving vehicle and rips off the door kinda implies she is a terminator, regardless of whether Derek had previously seen her or not. Think outside the box 10:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Reprogrammed Terminators reverting
"She saved him from a reprogrammed Terminator that had "gone bad." This description is the first time within the series that a "reprogrammed" terminator is still capable of reverting back to its original directives."

This is false. As is shown in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. the T-X featured reprograms Arnold's character and he almost kills John (it shows on-screen him attempting to override the orders) and he eventually shuts down and reboots, which allows him to regain control of his programming.

So, no, it's not the first time in the series that a reprogrammed Terminator has "reverted back." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.150.129.53 (talk) 10:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's different, it means that the Terminator reverts from Resistance programming to Skynet programming. In T3, Arnold reverted from T-X remote control to Resistance programming. --Joffeloff (talk) 13:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As much as I want to forget T3, you have a point. I'll remove this. Peptuck (talk) 15:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's actually unclear if the reprogrammed Terminator had reverted back to Skynet programming. It simply started killing people, which isn't beyond a Resistance programmed Terminator as shown in T2. --Scandum 16:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that the production team behind the Terminator TV series and films have stated on the record (most recently at Worldcon) that T3 is considered to take place in an alternate timeline from the TV series, so conflicts between the TV series and events in T3 aren't necessarily contradictions. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 14:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Cameron was created by John Connor in the future. 1 bar of coltan + Vick's chip + some other parts she will no doubt collect along the way. Then one day she'll store them all and John Connor will create her?Paullloydjohnson (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2008

This is false... I keep seeing mentions that her intentions with the chip and coltan have not been revealed. This is true for the coltan, but her intentions were absolutely made clear for vick's chip, in the episode "Vick's Chip".


 * It is heavily implied that it is Cameron in the basement of the Skynet house prison Derek Reese is held in in the episode Dungeons and Dragons, especially because of how much he distrusts her. Her motives for keeping these items, however, has yet to be revealed.UncleThursday (talk) 09:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Move proposal to Cameron (Terminator)
While she is introduced to us in the pilot as "Cameron Phillips," it pretty quickly becomes apparent that this is just her alias, and she adopts the same last name as the Connors when they go under cover later on. Since we can't be sure if Phillips even is her last name - or if she even has a last name - I think it might be more accurate if the article was renamed to something like, say, "Cameron (Terminator)". Peptuck (talk) 11:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine to me. The other Terminator, Cromartie, is on a page named that way, same as Sarah Connor, although oddly not John Connor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fritter (talk • contribs) 14:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * First, do Terminators even have real names? Probably not. Cameron is just a cover name after all. She was probably identified by Skynet as a serial number. So the argument against her last name should also go for her first name. They are just aliases so that the characters don't keep calling her "Hey, Terminator girl." As far as why the John Connor article doesn't have Terminator in the name: policy is to have the simplest name possible. Putting (Terminator) in the title should only be for articles that have similar names to existing articles. For example, we use Sarah Connor (Terminator) to differentiate from Sarah Connor (singer). We use Cromartie (Terminator) to differentiate from all these other Cromarties. But, there are no other John Connors. Therefore, no need to put Terminator in the name. As far as this article, I see no reason to change the name. Who's to say that Cameron isn't her real last name? The Connors use fake last names. Of course, for that we assume that Terminators actually have "real" names. ColdFusion650 (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * To ask that question, you have to ask a more important one: what is a name? A name is simply a label applied to an object to make it easier to refer to it. The most commonly used name for the character is simply "Cameron." No one except Cromartie has used the "Phillips" surname at all in the series, and she drops it the moment she joins up with the Connors, while still being referred to as "Cameron". More importantly, "Cameron" is the name most commonly used by the audience, and from an out-of-universe perspective, its the most consistent and recognizable label used for her character. Using the "Phillips" alias as the article title can be considered misleading and innaccurate. I'm just not seeing a good reason to keep the "Phillips" alias at all here. Perhaps reference it in the article itself, but its not the character's name, either in- or out-of-universe, and the article should reflect that. Peptuck (talk) 21:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Inaccurate is going a little far. You see no good reason to keep Phillips. I see no good reason to change it. Does it even matter? Probably not. Cameron (Terminator) and Cameron Phillips are both fine. ColdFusion650 (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed my mind, but I'll still quibble with your argument. John Connor does have a disambiguation page linked to it.  There are seven total John Connors noted, three of which link to separate Wikipedia pages.  What supports your argument overall, however, is that the official Fox site and official wiki do ID her as Cameron Phillips, suggesting it was not considered a fake, one time alias.  Maybe she will use it again sometime.  Another aspect that supports your side is that Cameron with no surname may generate some confusion with James Cameron.  So for now at least maybe we should keep it the way it is. Fritter (talk) 00:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know the official Fox site referred to her as such. If that's the case, I retract this proposal, since her official character name is Cameron Phillips. Peptuck (talk) 06:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have linkedFritter (talk) 14:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Although it's the official name, I swear I heard another last name used for her in the finale, but it went by so fast that I missed it. I'm not saying to rename the article (we should go with the official character name) but it's worth noting in the article. 23skidoo (talk) 15:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cameron Baum. They all use the 'Baum' surname now, ever since they acquired their new identities. --Joffeloff (talk) 16:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Isn't she only credited as Cameron on the like, actual credits, though? I mean, Phillips was a one-episode alias (and as that episode was the pilot, it has become her assumed "real name" on most websites).~ZytheTalk to me! 22:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just looked up the last episode on Fox.com, and none of the major characters appear in the credits, only minor characters, like Guy #1. So, I don't know where any official credits are located. ColdFusion650 (talk) 23:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On the actual television airings?~ZytheTalk to me! 14:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the season's over, so I can't check the credits for an actual TV airing until either they play a re-run, or next year. If you're willing to wait for next year, we just leave it with Phillips in until then. That's fine with me. ColdFusion650 (talk) 14:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * IMDB lists the character as they are credited. And it's still airing in the UK, so I'll catch the end credits if only to prove a point.~ZytheTalk to me! 15:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone with an IMDB account can post anything they want without a source, so it's really not used for anything, anywhere on Wikipedia. And even if she is only credited as Cameron, what if John Connor is only credited as John? Or what if Sarah Connor is only credited as Sarah. Then, if they only show everyone's first name, it still won't mean anything. I think the official site speaks enough. The official character name is Cameron Phillips. No one else has seen a problem with that. ColdFusion650 (talk) 15:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather than worry about canon and whether Terminator's have names, we should use her common name, though I'm not 100% clear on what that is. Is she regularly referred to as "Phillips" in third party sources?  If the credits list her as simply "Cameron" and yet include Sarah and John's surnames, that seems like a significant ommission IMO.  You could argue that since "Phillips" was used in the pilot, it was how the character was originally created, but if the character is better known as "Cameron" then we should probably name the article "Cameron (Terminator)".  I'm not too familiar with the character, but it seems like "Phillips" was just a one-off alias in a single episode.  You could still mention it in the article with the right context.  Even better, find a source discussing the naming of the character which mentions why "Phillips" was created and/or later ommitted.    Paul    730  21:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering all this, "Cameron (Terminator)" namespace and the "Cameron is" lead would be more inline with Wiki policy.~ZytheTalk to me! 17:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the discussion above. Cameron Phillips is her official name as evidenced on several official sites, her official bio, the official wiki and Terminator Tour.  It appears the characters' initial names in the pilot were intended as their "real" names (to the extent it's meaningful for a robot to have a name).  For example Cromartie has not used that alias since the pilot, but the other characters continue referring to him as Cromartie, even though he's been "Agent Kester" for a longer time.  The first names they used appear to be their "real" names, whereas "Kester" and "Baum" are seen as more temporary aliases. Fritter (talk) 03:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

--Cokeandpoprocks (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The articles fine. She's credited as "Cameron Phillips", and in magiznes and promos

In the series 2 credits, every character but Cameron is given a surname.~ZytheTalk to me! 19:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead image
I'm not too thrilled with the lead image chosen for the article. I know Wikipedia isn't a modelling portfolio, but surely there must be a more complimentary image of Glau in the role available ... at least one where she actually looks like herself. She looks "off" in this image. There are plenty of other facial closeups that could be used as screencaptures. Or if you want one that illustrates her nature as a terminator, perhaps a screen capture taken from her "brain surgery" scene in the finale? 23skidoo (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The current image looks ok, although not very terminator-like. There are some good images here; can we use promos as fair use? BTW, her "brain surgery" wasn't in the finale, it was in Vick's Chip. Think outside the box 11:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The finale was the two final episodes aired back to back. --Joffeloff (talk) 20:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Cameron and Future Terminator the same?
How do we know these two are the same, as stated in this article? T1 and T2 demonstrate that there can be more than terminator of the same appearance... Rawling 4851 16:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we know. Fixed.Fritter (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's stated in the show, in a conversation between Derek and Cameron. ColdFusion650 (talk) 21:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Relationship to John
I'm watching its repeats before the new season begins, and I'm noticing something I also thought the first time around: Cameron knows an awful lot about John, and I mean real obscure stuff many guys barely tell their wives, like what books Sarah read to John as bedtime stories. I really think some note should be made of this.Westrim (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No doubt their relationship will be the topic of much speculation, but we don't want original research (i.e. personal opinion and conjecture) being injected into the articles. If you can find some reliable source providing an analysis you might add something then.  Fletcher (talk) 17:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Season 2 role
I've been watching promo trailers for season 2 and it is quite clear that cameron has survived the car bomb and has now turned bad. has anyone found any written proof of this? Mikyt90 (talk) 15:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, and besides, we should wait for the show to air because only that is official. Fletcher (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

True enough point Mikyt90 (talk) 16:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

"Thank you for explaining"
I've added that little bit to the Characteristics section. I'd like to word it better, but can't think of how to do so. But the phrase should stay. I feel that gives readers a little bit more about her "personality", if you can call it that. CardinalFangZERO (talk) 01:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Section naming
I don't quite understand why the "character concept" and "summer glau" sections were merged under "characterization" because according to this, "characterization" falls under "characteristics."

The no erz (talk) 02:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)