Talk:Camila Batmanghelidjh/Archive 1

Why such a short article?
A previously existing article on this person was deleted on 1st Sept 2010, as an alleged "close paraphrase", in violation of copyright, of her profile on a speakers' agency website http://www.specialistspeakers.com/?p=683. I have created a new stub here so that the many links to her are no longer red. The "sources" included in the original article have been reinstated, as supplied to me by the deleting admin. I hope someone will find the time and energy to create a full article. PamD (talk) 22:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In case someone deletes the sources from the article, I'll paste them here too:
 * Kids Company
 * Articles from The Guardian
 * Colourful character Camila Batmanghelidjh on her unique approach to charity work, The Independent
 * BBC News profile
 * Happy list
 * Business Woman of the Year Award

PamD (talk) 22:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Batmanghelidjh speaks out on UK Riots of 7 - 9 August 2011
In a controversial interview for BBC Radio on 9 August 2011, Batmanghelidjh commented on the widespread looting committed by underprivileged British youth on 7 - 9 August. She insisted that many such youth lived in grossly disadvantaged circumstances, including chronic neglect and poverty, with too little social or governmental support. Many listeners responded, criticizing Batmanghelidjh for seeming to justify the riots. Batmanghelidjh, however, maintained that she did condemn them, but felt that too little attention was paid to these core problems of social deprivation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.131.141 (talk) 17:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * UK riots? Did I miss them? Was that the ones that happened in England, and not in Scotland or Wales?2.101.150.41 (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

Chronological non-sequitur
"her family was hugely impacted by the 1979 revolution and moved to England when she was 11 years old." How can the revolution have caused them to move to England if they were already established there in 1974? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.17.68.68 (talk) 11:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Changes 2014
I have updated the previous version of the article and restructured it slightly to place greater emphasis on biographical information, Batmanghelidjh's two charities, etc. I have made use of the previous author's sources, added some new ones and replaced one dead link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjw99789 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * In what way is she British (opening paragraph)? The award of an honorary CBE is a strong indicator that she does not have British nationality.Sebmelmoth (talk) 07:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't require much to call yourself British. 2.27.60.30 (talk) 15:51, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Resignation request
Kids Company's Camila Batmanghelidjh asked to step down by government should be mentioned. -- Ralph Corderoy (talk) 06:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Business woman?
I keep reading that Camila was a business woman, and hoped to find sources on wikipedia, but can't find any link to any business she's involved in, only charities. Can someone please add some references. 66.241.32.158 (talk) 09:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * A charitable organisation is a business.Sadiemonster (talk) 04:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Shareholder and former director of http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02515435/WEST-END-COURT-LIMITED/group-structure#shareholders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.19.2 (talk) 13:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Weird link
" Born two and a half months premature, she is chronically dyslexic."

There's no medical link.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:78D6:6267:8F76:82E0 (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * And I think dyslexia is a permanent condition rather than a chronic one. Sebmelmoth (talk) 04:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

What Money?
The 'Kid's Company' section says, "Charity Kids Company told the government that it will close its services on 5 Jul 2015, the charity received the money against the advice of officials, who had raised concerns about how it would be spent." The sentence itself doesn't make sense. The second half follows on from the first half with no connection, and it's not clear what "close its services" means. Moreover, it doesn't say what "money" is being talked about, or how that plays into the closure of the company.Sadiemonster (talk) 04:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Traditional dress - what tradition?
She is noted for her colourful clothes which I have seen described as ethnic, but I am curious what particular tradition these are inspired by, looking at Iranian or Persian costumes http://www.parstimes.com/women/traditional_costume/ it seems that wearing multiple layered coloured fabrics is common for women in that region, but the turban is not represented. In fact, the article about turbans references her specifically Turban as wearing a turban as a statement of individuality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanbelllibertus (talk • contribs) 10:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't mention "traditional dress"; fwiw, she has said "...I get to wear my clothes for fun, and don't worry what anyone thinks." Keri (talk) 15:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Nationality
Given the prominence of her Iranian origin in the majority of sources and potential sources I fail to see how this is not notable. Indeed I would describe it as dishonest not to include it. And don't delink United Kingdom, that is being deliberatley unhelpful, IMHO. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 17:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A British citizen or otherwise a British national, naturalised, registered or natural-born, or otherwise from birth, even if of dual nationality (as possibly in her case), even if un-renounced and un-disclaimed, would not normally be made an Honorary CBE, as she was. This is highly irregular. Being made an Honorary CBE would probably a tacit admission that either she has in fact never properly naturalised to become a British citizen (which is most likely), or that she had subsequently applied to renounce, and then successfully renounced, her British citizenship (with or without subsequently successfully applied to resume it), for the express purpose of receiving her CBE on a purely Honorary basis, for whatever underlying motives. -- Urquhartnite (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Philanthropist
I removed that she was a philanthropist from 2 cats and the infobox as this information was unsourced and I suspect it isnt true either. Kid's Company being philanthropic of course is not evidence that Batmanghelidjh is a philanthropist. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Please do not try claiming credit for other peoples editing, especially after this WP:Bitey edit summary.89.240.53.96 (talk) 17:23, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon? Your comment shows a poor understanding of how we work here, I was merely describing what I did, i was not taking credit for anything, either removing the categories or the infobox info, merely doing it. You cannot seriously suggest I should have left your poor edit in place? Basic competence is required in order to edit here and you should have checked your work and not left the mess which you did. I was reverting your mess and I then removed the philanthropy piece as unsourced and improbable. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 17:34, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What was poor about my edits, apart from initially putting a random f in the article, which I then removed? Here is the diff of my edits. Here is the diff between when I finished, and when you decided to remove what I had removed. What mess did I leave? All I did was remove the two categories, and the claim in the infobox. You say basic competence is required, the same could be said about looking at the edits of others. Why also such a WP:Bitey edit summary. I fully understand how we work, and it is not by insulting other editors, and then claiming to have done what they did.89.240.53.96 (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Create an account so we know who you are. You havent made any edits to the article under this IP, and you cant speak for another editor. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 21:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And if you were the newcomer you claim to be you would not be quoting WP:BITE to me. So why dont you just sign into your account and edit openly. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 21:39, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Please answer the questions. What was poor about my edits? What mess did I leave? Why the personal attacks against an IP editor? Why claim my edits as your own work after the personal attack? I have been here a while, but you were not to know this when you launched a personal attack in the edit summary, which is why WP:Bite applies. The problem with biting apparent newcomers, is that you don't know who you are biting. I know my way around Wikipedia, which is why I know your behaviour here is totally out of order. Looking at your block log, topic ban and discussions about your behaviour at WP:ANI, I note that this behaviour is nothing new.78.145.250.137 (talk) 23:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * if you arent a newcomer then stop playing the victim and pretending that you are. Pretending that you are something that you are not may also mean you arent the person who made the edits, after all your ip address has NOT edited this article. You either have a problem with the article as it is, in which case please let us know what the problem is or you dont, in which case lets move on, we have nothing to discuss. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 00:07, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, its hard to tell how many of you there really are. the last edit here was edited by an anon who has never edited here before. but really any editor who pretends to be a new editor and then DEMANDS that others treat him or her as a new editor when they are anything but is not to be taken too seriously. And I do NOT have a record of biting newcomers, quite the opposite, I have welcomed hundreds, its in the record, so please get your facts straight BEFORE making angry accusations. Just remember that if you make public accusations that I bit you as a newcomer those would be false allegations because you are not a newcomer. The edits here dont belong to any of us, and if I want to take credit for good editing, this page is not where I would start, look at my contribs. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 00:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)