Talk:Camila Cabello/Archive 1

Notability?
As of Cabello's departure from the girl group, she seems to now fulfill at least 4 out of 12 of Wikipedia's notability criteria for musicians.

1. She's been featured in Forbes and Billboard.

2. Both of her collaborations have been in the top 20 on the US Billboard Hot 100.

3. Her record "I Know What You Did Last Summer" has been certified platinum in the US and "Bad Things" was certified gold.

10. She's been featured as a musical guest on The Ellen Degeneres Show, The Late Late Show With James Corden and The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.

13. She's also apparently guest starring twice in a TV show as a character named Addison Jones? Link here. Not sure if this counts as being featured.

I'm not sure how to find out if an artist has been on national rotation and I'm not sure if she's had independent coverage for her tours. Point is, I think she's more than notable enough at this point to warrant her own article, especially with her starting a solo career. Mathdino (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Cabello's birthplace is Havana
I can't find any reputable sources that say she was actually born in Cojimar, Cuba. The essay she wrote herself (here) explicitly states she was born in Havana, and definitely lived in Havana/Mexico City, not Cojimar/Mexico City. I'll stand corrected if anyone can find a reputable source on Cojimar. Mathdino (talk) 09:16, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Re: Notability
Is there a link to this Forbes article? I do see a Billboard interview with her and Machine Gun Kelly, so that's one. Also, the TV guest appearances have not happened yet. Eklxtreme (talk) 09:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Here you go: The Breakup Of Fifth Harmony Has Started With Camila Cabello's Exit. Obviously not a reference we should use but it does support notability. Mathdino (talk) 10:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That's just a news article about Camila leaving. It does not necessarily focus on her as an individual musician, her solo career, or even feature quotes from her. Eklxtreme (talk) 19:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Purported full name
Unless you can find a reliable source citation for a name beyond "Camila Cabello", please do not continue adding uncited personal-claims in violation of WP:BLP. Note that the tabloid Daily Mail is not considered RS unless it is a direct interview with the subject.--Tenebrae (talk) 03:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Genuine question: Is this yearbook photo enough to prove her first name? Link: "Camila Cabello's Newly Discovered Yearbook Photo Proves She Went By a Totally Different Name". If so, I'm not sure whether to link to the (rather clickbaity) article or to the tweet itself. Mathdino (talk) 13:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Teen Vogue itself is a reliable source, but it's citing an outside source of unknown credibility (History in Pictures) which purposefully links here to  a fake "NBC" website. So it may just be a Photoshopped image. The fact that History in Pictures — which as you suggest seems a clickbait site using public-domain images — doesn't name a specific school or explain how it obtained the purported yearbook adds to the fact that we can't use this citation. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * An IP-hopper at 2001:569:78B4:6900:B1C9:421:A768:8746 and other addresses is about to violate WP:3RR in order to add uncited personal-life claims in violation of WP:BLP. I have invited that editor to discuss the issue here. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

New year eve performance
This, and almost all non NYC performances are taped delay. There likely was no reunion, rather split after filming. PeaceKeeper1234 03:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacekeeper 1234 (talk • contribs)

Full name
The BMI repertoire lists Cabello under the name Karla Camila Cabello Estrabao. http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&page=1&fromrow=1&torow=25&querytype=WriterID&keyid=1534917&keyname=CABELLO+KARLA+CAMILA&CAE=739090035&Affiliation=BMI&term= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5verse (talk • contribs) 18:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2017
5verse (talk) 22:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2017
wife: Michelle Lauren Jauregui Morgado Wakemesweet (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2017
Updated picture of her https://images.genius.com/a0a86bc08f1540e62bddbee36446b5cc.700x500x1.jpg Its17yall (talk)
 * ❌ That is most likely a copyrighted image. Images have to have a proper license to upload them to Wikimedia Commons, or the correct copyright and licensing to upload them to Wikipedia. Peaceray (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017
PaulaIglesias (talk) 19:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC) Change the picture
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017
PaulaIglesias (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC) Change the current picture to this one https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/v6JxOGIpTMUCcGgzpS9iBcw_zzk/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2017/02/12/105/n/37139775/1e10c5d0c11cab72_GettyImages-634964912/i/Red-Carpet.jpg
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: We can not use non-free photos of living people. The photo you have linked to us probably non-free. --Izno (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

This article should be semi-protected.
It's a biography of a rather famous and somewhat controversial living person, and thereby has a high possibility of vandalism. I feel that there should be some form of protection in place.--Rainythunderstorm (talk) 12:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017
http://www.billboard.com/files/media/Camila-Cabello-Fifth-Harmony-red-carpet-2016-billboard-1548.jpg Newer and better quality picture 24.97.253.174 (talk) 15:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

❌ - Image appears to be copyright - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017
Please change the current biography of camila cabello to the biography that will be pasted below this paragraph. The new biography will have corrected information about camila cabello and includes more of her history and career. This biography has been confirmed by her manager, Roger H Gold. Please also update her photo (which was taken in 2013) to a photo which was taken in 2017. Preferably the photo which was taken at the 2017 Grammys. --Yaseminkurt1 (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC) Karla Camila Cabello-Estrabao is a Cuban-Mexican immigrant who was born March 3 1997, she is known by her stage name, Camila Cabello. In 2012, she auditioned for the X Factor. She is the former lead singer of Fifth Harmony. Cabello and her band-mates released one EP and two studio albums. Her departure from the group was announced in December 18th 2016. As a lead artist, Cabello released two singles with Shawn Mendes 'I Know What You Did Last Summer' and Machine Gun Kelly's 'Bad Things'. In 2017, Cabello prepared for the release of her debut solo album whilst also scoring features with artists such as Cashmere Cat, Pitbull and J Balvin. The lead single from her debut album, The Hurting. The Healing. The Loving., was originally "Crying in the Club" which was released on May 19 2017. She also announced a song from the album titled "I Have Questions", which was released to coincide with her BBMA performance of the song on May 21 2017. Cabello then announced in an interview where 'Havana' released on August 3, 2017 is the official first single of the album. Camila Cabello's debut album is expected to release 'soon'. Yaseminkurt1 (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Yaseminkurt1: Articles are based on what has been published in reliable sources, not on what users claim they heard from the subject's manager. —C.Fred (talk) 03:25, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2017
change picture to this: http://68.media.tumblr.com/58a545184ad17060b00b3d9a65424e8f/tumblr_okn1cdiDG01uctkbgo1_500.jpg it's free and not copy righted Beccahills (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You need to upload the image to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons yourself. To get started, click "Upload file" in the sidebar of the Wikipedia window. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2018
Beechosthegodmode1 (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2018
romantically involved with Matthew Hussey 73.46.204.170 (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2018
Thecrazyfiend228 (talk) 08:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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Personal Life and Controversies
The official article from UK Time magazine doesn't mention anything about a former group member and it cites an internet gossip website as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrCriticalOP (talk • contribs)
 * I've removed it. The source didn't have anything about laughing, either. --Neil N  talk to me 14:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't find anything encyclopedic about it at all, it has received 0 media coverage. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We cannot save the subject of a BLP from their own, publicly-viewed actions, but we can protect them from all the haters. From Jesus and Mohammed to Hitler and Trump, everyone gets equal protection. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Imo it should be removed, it isn't relevant. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2018
Delete:

Personal life Controversies On February 25, 2018 during an interview with The Sunday Times, Cabello addressed a data hack, specifically, leaked texts with her then boyfriend and a controversial tweet where she used the n-word to affectionately describe Barack Obama. She responds saying she was only 15 at the time and that she has learnt: “That’s why I barely go on social media. There’s no way to live life without making mistakes or saying the wrong thing. I’m not going to live like some perfect pop singer. I’m a human, and the inhuman part of this is public scrutiny. I want to stay away from anything that makes me think I can’t live my life the way everybody else does.”

Reason:

The edit failed to use the most general scope of the referenced article and it deliberate restricted the scope to a particular POV. MrEditor 07:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. If the problem is POV, then the POV section template is more appropriate.      Spintendo       08:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@Spintendo Someone wrongfully added controversies as part of the artist personal life; while changing the scope of the referenced article. Therefore, I suggested it should be deleted and added the reason for it. MrEditor 11:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2018
An Editor who completely removed Camila's background, her family background and personal life only to post a "controversy" about Camila. This does not belong in this section. Delete. Edpitor (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I don't understand, was the information about someone else and mistakenly placed here? Specifically, what is it about the adding of those controversies, that's wrong? Please advise.      Spintendo       12:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Remove Controversies
The article focus on the artist success and it's irrelevant to use it as reference; when the editor only bother to narrow their view into controversies. In wikipedia own words: Since the primary purpose of the Wikipedia is to be a useful reference work, narrow article scopes are to be avoided.

Artificially or unnecessarily restricting the scope of an article to select a particular point of view on a subject area is frowned upon, even if it is the most popular point of view. MrEditor 13:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You have not said what eit you want making. Nothing to do.  —SerialNumber  54129 ...speculates 13:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * >Ping User:MrEditor.  —SerialNumber  54129 ...speculates 13:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

controversies
I have wiped out the entire controversies section. I highly recommend any future editors that want to put it back discuss the idea here first. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2018
change her nationality to Cuban-Mexican, her mum is Cuban and her father is Mexican plus she was born in Cuba which makes her Cuban-Mexican 78.19.88.112 (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ According to Cuban Americans they "are Americans who trace their ancestry to Cuba. The word may refer to someone born in the U.S. of Cuban descent or to someone who has emigrated to the U.S. from Cuba." According to the the Early life section, Cabello "and her family moved back and forth between Havana and Mexico City, before relocating to Miami, Florida in the United States at age five." By definition, that would make her Cuban American. Peaceray (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Birthplace
Camila Cabello born in Cojimar, Cuba. She's Cuban-Mexican, not Cuban-American. Fix this, I guess this article of Camila Cabello was written by an American. Razel003 (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Or written by someone using sources. We only use reliable sources within Wikipedia. Those sources say she was born in Cojimar, Eastern Havana, Cuba1. Her family moved back and forth to between there and Mexico before settling in Miami, Florida, USA.
 * Don't make dumb remarks; instead, work with others to get your point across positively. More gets done that way. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * According to Cuban Americans they "are Americans who trace their ancestry to Cuba. The word may refer to someone born in the U.S. of Cuban descent or to someone who has emigrated to the U.S. from Cuba." According to the the Early life section, Cabello "and her family moved back and forth between Havana and Mexico City, before relocating to Miami, Florida in the United States at age five." By definition, that would make her Cuban American. Peaceray (talk) 19:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request
The instruments section of her bio should be updated. Camila plays both guitar and keyboard live in concert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XbK4c-dTX0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK5f0Lmqebo


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The Instruments line in the infobox is limited to those she is primarily known for using. It is not a list of all instruments she has ever used (in concert or otherwise). &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 02:54, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2018
State that "Camila" and its second single "Never Be The Same" are both certified Platinum instead of saying "Camila" is Gold & NBTS is uncertified. 2602:306:C585:F2C0:1C67:B0BD:D8CF:4441 (talk) 07:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please provide one or more reliable sources that verify these claimed certifications. '''[[User:Life of Tau|Life ]][[User talk:Life of Tau|of ]]Tau''' 07:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

"Cuban American"
, while the term may be ethnically correct, in the lead we are only supposed to include official nationalities right? Because Ms. Cabello has US citizenship, which she acquired at the expense of her original Cuban citizenship since Cuba forbids dual citizenship. That is why I removed "Cuban-American" from the lead. But "Cuban-Mexican" sounds more ethnically correct than "Cuban-American". -- Kailash29792 (talk)  07:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Interesting point. I was thinking that the construct of birth-country-plus-current-nationality was sufficiently neutral as a statement of truth. Cuba's revocation of her citizenship is certainly something we would want to tell the reader, but it doesn't erase her country of birth.
 * As always in such situations, I defer to the reliable sources. What do they say?
 * MTV says she is "of Cuban-Mexican descent", and that her thoughts about ending the United States embargo against Cuba were shared by "millions of Cubans and Cuban-Americans today".
 * Rolling Stone describes her origin but doesn't put a label on it.
 * Glamour likewise.
 * People likewise.
 * Entertainment Weekly likewise.
 * The New York Times likewise.
 * Time quotes Cabello saying in the context of Trump's proposed wall between Mexico and the US, "I am so proud to be Cuban-Mexican."
 * E Online also quotes Cabello saying at the Grammy Awards, "I'm a Proud Cuban-Mexican Immigrant."
 * Billboard called her a "Cuban artist" in their editorial voice, in the context of Obama visiting Cuba.
 * Broadway World says she is "Cuban born".
 * Variety says she's "Cuban-born".
 * Financial Times says she has a "Cuban-American background".
 * Forbes describes in a photo caption, "US-Cuban singer-songwriter Camila Cabello poses with the award..."
 * I noticed that some of these sources call out her Mexican ancestry but others don't mention it at all. I also noticed that the idea does exist of a person being "Cuban-American" or "US-Cuban", despite the fact that Cuba rescinds nationality of emigrants to the US. As well, I noticed that the label "Cuban-Mexican" was used by Cabello to describe herself but it was not picked up by any of the media as a neutral descriptor. Finally, I noticed that a lot of the sources hold back from putting a label on her nationality or ancestry. Perhaps that's the direction we should go in this biography – perhaps we should refrain from calling her American or Cuban-American or Cuban-Mexican. We could insert a hidden note to that end. Binksternet (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the source which states Cabello acquired US citizenship in 2008 (already used in "Early life"), and in this source she says "it is 2014 and i am a Cuban Mexican proud American citizen". Kailash29792 (talk)  15:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am aware that she has American citizenship. Also, despite her various statements saying she is Cuban-Mexican, nobody in the media has picked up that description to use in the editorial voice. Nobody says "the Cuban-Mexican singer Camila Cabello..." So we aren't going to say she is Cuban-Mexican in Wikipedia's voice. Feel free to quote her own words to the reader, though! Binksternet (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Protected
Why protect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.189.160.58 (talk) 08:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2018
Camila classes herself as Cuban-Mexican not Cuban-American, she was born in Cuba with a Cuban Mother and Mexican father so she isnt in any way American lol 78.19.249.214 (talk) 22:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Instruments
I have made edits to the infobox section to reflect the instruments Camila plays. I did this before and the edits were reversed so I've added references this time. For clarity I'll be posting a few here but the crux of this is that part of her rise to fame was from posting guitar covers of songs on YouTube, and she plays both guitar and piano in concert (on 3 different tours now), which I believe more than suffices for those to be notable instruments for her.
 * Variety
 * Billboard
 * Washington Post
 * City Pages
 * Pop Crush

Alolanle (talk) 10:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * She usually isn't playing instruments in her performances as in awards ceremonies for example. Of course many artists know how to play guitar, piano, and some play instruments in some of their performances like Cabello, but this isn't enough to add it to the infobox. As i told you before, It isn't like Ed Sheeran or Shawn Mendes, they are always playing their guitar and they are known primarily known for using. I will restore the infobox waiting for more comments. All the best! -- Mia o w   14:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S: Per Template:Infobox musical artist: "[..] Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used." -- Mia o w    14:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * She is known for it as she has played since the beginning of her career and has played on multiple televised performances. These are not random uses of the instruments, she plays them regularly on television and in concert. All of these more than qualify to be notable. Using awards shows as the sole metric is incredibly arbitrary considering the wealth of other sources and references (daytime and nighttime television shows, YouTube, articles, interviews, reviews, and concerts). Your stance seems quite shaky but there's little use in going back and forth. Alolanle (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You should wait until consensus is reached. Your edit was disruptive here.
 * I can't find piano and guitar as her instruments primarily known for using as Template:Infobox musical artist states. You are trying to do the same on Zayn Malik's article after another editor told you about it too. (diff). You need a ref that says she's primarily known for using those instruments. Also, you got the same answer here. Can you please stop? -- Mia o w   00:23, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I highly suggest that you self revert before i report you to administrators about your disruptive edit history on this page since April 14, where you edited the page after ElHef replied to you. Then, another user undid your edit in april 22. But you still are doing the same edit since april 24.  Mia o w   02:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The other editor who took issue with my original edits did so because they weren't aware of the references, which I provided after, when I made the edits again. References which, you erased when you undid my edits. You reverted my edits without waiting for consensus either so what do you think you are talking about? And beyond that, you've been searching my history looking for things to revert. Your behaviour is disturbing. Please stop.

Alolanle (talk) 20:16, 27 May 2018 (UTC) Happily for the company, Martin devotees include Ed Sheeran, whose signature guitar is manufactured by the company with a list price of $699. “The nice thing about Ed is that he is appealing to a younger customer,” said Martin. “And the guitar he plays is a very affordable Martin, so the younger customer can kind of go, ‘I can afford one of those’.”. Or like this: On his last album, “Illuminate,” the young pop singer and guitarist Shawn Mendes [...]. -- Mia o w   04:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Many users have told you the same thing about this. It isn't a list of all instruments she has ever used. -- Mia o w   22:21, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And I have told you the same thing, the instruments I listed are instruments she plays REGULARLY, not instruments she's played once or twice. You decided on your own that these instruments are not notable, and you decided on your own to make these changes without a consensus. Also, "many users" is a lie.Alolanle (talk) 12:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * No, i haven't decided on my own that these instruments aren't relevant (you know someone told you the same before) but you decide on your own that she is primarily known for using those isntruments when she it's not. As many users have told you before, you need to provide a source thay says she is primarly know for using those instruments. None of the sources you provided says so. Your sources only say she used the instruments. Many artists play some instruments throughout their career. A friendly reminder: It isn't a list of all instruments she has ever used. Best regards! -- Mia o w    14:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi all, answering your request for a third opinion. I think sufficient proof was given above to support that she is a professional vocalist and guitarist. I agree that the article should not list every instrument she has ever played, but I agree that she is sufficiently known to the public as a guitarist through playing guitar on tours, television appearances, and her youtube channel. For the record, I don't really know who this person is, so I feel I'm not biased either way. Basilosauridae (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Apparently she wasn't playing the guitar in that performance. I don't know who this person is either, but I've seen some of her televison appearances and music videos. I personally don't know her as a guitarist, but if someone get a source saying Camila's playing of the guitar being notable to her career, then we can add it. Best regards! -- Mia o w   03:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Regardless of if she was miming or not, she is portraying herself as a guitarist, and it plays a prominent role in her act. Several sources have been provided that prove this, so what sort of source would be satisfactory to you? I understand that part of this conflict comes from the other editor's previous behavior, however, a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because they were wrong then does not mean that their argument here has no merit. Basilosauridae (talk) 03:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I never said their argument has no merit cause their behaviour, but i wasn't the only one who told the same to the user: It isn't a list of all instruments she has ever used in concert or otherwise. See Template:Infobox musical artist. If Camila's playing of the guitar is notable to her career then it means she is know for using it, so it will be easy to find references like these : Martin said business for its acoustics goes up when prominent guitar talent – think Taylor Swift or Mumford and Sons in the past decade – steps forward.
 * Boosting guitar sale and being a guitarist are not the same thing. Basilosauridae (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you Also even if she was miming on that television performance (which she wasn't, considering that there was another guitarist there playing rhythm guitar and his own playing couldn't be heard either -- suggesting that nobody was miming but that the guitar was too low in the mix to be heard on the tv feed) she's played guitar on tour constantly, as well as on other live TV and radio broadcasts. It doesn't make sense for Miaow to keep changing the goal post and now bringing up "boosting guitar sales" as criteria? She's played guitar live throughout a tour, on several live TV performances, performances broadcast on radio, on several YouTube broadcasts. To try to limit it to "awards shows" is a stretch. For comparison, the infobox at Meghan Trainor lists ukulele, guitar, keyboards, piano, trumpet but you can be sure there are no articles about her driving sales for any of those, and she doesn't play them during awards shows either. Or Shakira who doesn't play any of her instruments during her awards shows or drive sales for them but plays them during concert.  I'd enjoin you to consider this as well. I don't know Shakira or Meghan Trainor for playing any of the instruments listed for them but I'm not going to challenge those because shouldn't our personal knowledge be put on the backburner in the face of evidence? It's fine for anyone personally not to know Camila as an instrumentalist but given the countless references I've posted here is this dispute really necessary?

Also you weren't the only one who said so because the others were unaware. Simple. Instead of responding to the other editors, I simply restored the edits and added references in the infobox because I thought that's what they wanted. I really doubt the other editors would be trying to change the criteria for instruments being notable. There are many articles talking about Camila's playing of instruments. We've gotten an objective 3rd opinion here, and you yourself said you wouldn't be contesting this anymore, so it's strange you are still bringing up arbitrary things like guitar sales which have no basis on someone's artistic identity. Even after being warned you went ahead to make changes without waiting for consensus.

Alolanle (talk) 07:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

has followed one of our dispute resolution processes. If disagrees with the outcome then they should do the work to open a RFC to attract more editor input. --Neil N  talk to me 12:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm going ahead to effect the changes now. Thank you also for your input. And thank you for your contributions.Alolanle (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , to clarify, sufficient evidence has not been provided to support adding "keyboards" to the infobox, just guitar. For now, I am going to edit it to just say vocals and guitar, unless you are able to provide similar citations about her playing keyboards regularly as part of her career. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  15:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , No problem. She's played piano (keyboard, really) every night for two tours: Her own Never Be The Same tour and Taylor Swift's Reputation Stadium Tour for which she's one of the opening acts. The Billboard Billboard article I listed at the beginning of this section mentions her playing it on her own tour and this Variety article about the Reputation Tour also mentions it. And there's this City Pages review of the Never Be The Same Tour] which notes her playing the keyboard. I would also post videos but I'm not sure if YouTube clips of concerts count. I think the references should suffice as it's become a steady part of her stage act but if they don't then it's alright anyway. Maybe more references will pop up in the future and we can update then. Thanks again.
 * Works for me. :) †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  16:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Will also leave more references in case other editors want to check/confirm in the future.

There's a review from The Guardian which notes her playing live at the BBC Radio 1's Big Weekend Festival and even more articles and concert reviews. Alolanle (talk) 16:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * What told you was to open an RFC, and not to  edit the page without enough consensus for your changes here. Anyone can delete the guitar and piano per Template:Infobox musical artist since you have not reached consensus to make your changes. So, I will modify the hidden message that you have added. As I said before, Im not going to modify your changes on this instrument. Best regards. -- Mia o w    16:18, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * NeilN told you to open the RFC because you are the sole person in this discussion that disagrees with the consensus. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  16:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "If disagrees with the outcome then they should do the work to open a RFC to attract more editor input" was obviously directed at you. --Neil N  <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Since I don't have a special interest in this article, I'm not going to do it. I am not the one who should reach consensus for "my" changes because I have not been the one who added the instruments. Also WP:NOTADEMOCRACY. To clarify, my disagreement was based on what the Template:Infobox musical artist#instrument states and how many times the user was reverted before by other users (whose are experts in music articles) in this matter. The other party has made personal opinions and WP:OTHERCONTENT as an argument. There isn't enough consensus for changes made by Alolanle that tries to list instruments used in a concert when Cabello is just starting to embarked on a tour as a solo artist since this year. It's too soon to say she "is primarily" known for using those. All the best. -- Mia o w   17:25, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree with you here . I only brought up WP:OTHERCONTENT as an example, not as the basis of the changes. The basis of my argument was always the plethora of references I provided, not my opinion. The only one who used personal opinions here was you, as evidenced by you changing the basis of your disagreements from references, to tv shows, to awards shows, to sales of instruments, and now the stage of Camila's career. If your disagreement was based on it being "too early" in her career, you certainly would have said that before. And anyway that is still a) your personal opinion and b) not a very strong argument either way seeing as her using instruments at the start of her career only serves to underscore the point that these instruments are part of her artistic identity from the very beginning. Not to mention that two of the tour references (Bruno Mars and Jingle Ball) are from last year. Also, again, I didn't disagree with other editors, I simply misunderstood what they were asking. I responded to them by providing references within the infobox because I thought that's what they meant when they said they needed to see references. Thank you again for your contributions. Alolanle (talk) 18:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd really like to put this all to rest  but it seems the other editor isn't and I'm at a loss as to how to proceed. What I'd like to know now is, what are the options for moving forward? clearly isn't looking to do that and is only interested in more conflict. She's ignored the suggestion that she open a RFC, so is there anything else I can do to settle this? Alolanle (talk) 15:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The other editor has now taken to passive aggressively encouraging another editor to undo the edits.
 * Another editor undid the edits made by  and myself.
 * I redid them and placed a message on their Talk page, pointing them to this discussion here so they could acquaint themselves with the history as well as the dispute resolution attempts, and suggesting they start a discussion if they'd like it changed.
 * Editor somehow found this (by monitoring my contributions I assume) and responded to me there, encouraging that the other editor go ahead make changes without joining the discussion (despite this being behaviour that could result in a warning for DanielleTH if repeated).
 * I also noticed that did the same thing yesterday to another editor  who I asked to join in the discussion here regarding their own prior reverts of the edits, telling them that I added the instruments and complaining that I didn't "listen to her," leaving out the fact they were added by both  and myself after a long discussion.
 * also did the same thing a week ago after being warned for edit warring, encouraged said editor to make those edits, in a bid to circumvent the warning.
 * Do not twist my words, please. You have added your edits without waiting for more users input here. The discussion is always open. It's not necesary to open an RFC when other editors can leave their comments here. Then you have told the user that there is an "exhaustive discussion", and this is not the case. What you should have done is only invite the user to leave their comment here. You are the one who wants to add this since april 14.

Since then, different users have reversed you. Knowing this, you must wait for more opinions here. -- Mia o w   15:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Only a few days have passed since you open this section and you already want there to be a consensus on your changes?? But things are not that fast. Be patient, please. -- Mia o w   16:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "Hit and run" reverts are also not on. If an editor reverts, they need to join the discussion and explain their reasoning. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * (edit conclict) Yes. But it's not correct for Alonlale to impose their edit without waiting for the opinion of those who Alonlale has already notified on this section yesterday, especially from the editor who has more experience editing music articles. I've been previously on another talk page, and the person who is interested in adding their edit should wait a prudent time to reach consensus especially if the user know that it has been reversed by other users too. It doesn't work like this: I add my new change to the page and the others have to reach a consensus to remove it when the user has not even reached a consensus for their edit. The user is aware that different users have previously revert them, they explained to them the reason on the edit summay: Template:Infobox Musical Artist. Cabello has just embarked on a tour this year, recently she has a solo career...
 * I just don't want this to be an antecedent for the user to do the same in other articles: They provides references of the artist using the piano/guitar for the same song in same tour, concert or television appearances, without the use of the instrument being really significant. -- Mia o w   17:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Your words have not been twisted in any manner or form. I have stated things exactly as you have done them. Claiming otherwise is in terribly bad faith.
 * "You have told the user that there is an "exhaustive discussion", and this is not the case" <- Actually, it is the case. The length of this back and forth is exactly that.
 * "What you should have done is only invite the user to leave their comment here" <- And that is exactly what I did. You, on the other hand, encouraged them to not join the discussion but to make changes arbitrarily. Why you would want a good-faith change reverted is strange enough on it's own but encouraging another editor to be disruptive is all the more questionable. Please see: WP:VAN
 * "Since then, different users have reversed you" <- Because they wanted to see references, which I provided. You and you alone contested those references, inventing various reasons (even going as far as guitar sales), all of which I reasonably responded to. And the result of that has been this lengthy dispute resolution process, which you have tried to hold back every step of the way.
 * "Only a few days have passed since you open this section and you already want there to be a consensus on your changes??" <- Well, it's been more than a few days, it's been two weeks. And I'm not looking for a consensus on "my" changes. I'm trying to resolve the dispute and to move forward. It's a shame you seem uninterested in doing the same. But that's fine. However I would appreciate it if you didn't keep trying to drag other people into your constructed conflict. Thanks again for your contributions :) Alolanle (talk) 16:34, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, I'm not the only one who has reversed you. I feel you force me to comment here when I already said my opinion, and I can not be constantly repeating the same. I suggest you invite the users who have reversed you before and ask them for leave their opinion here. You have to reach an agreement with all of them so that in the future there will be no problems with your changes. Best regards. -- Mia o w   17:47, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

There is no reason for this discussion to be contentious. Moving forward there are three options as I see it: constructively work towards a compromise between the two positions, open an RfC, or request administrative dispute resolution. As @miaow is the major objector here in the talk page, the question to you is is there a compromise option between the two positions that you would agree on? If not, if other voices contributed on the talk page per a RfC would you agree to the general consensus? If we cannot agree on the terms to settle this dispute, then arbitration is the best option. @Miaow I have no interest in you explaining yourself so this idea of me forcing you to do so really has nothing to do with me. I've encouraged other people to join the discussion. You on the other hand have told them not to so to say I'm the one not interested in talking to others is dishonest. @Basilosauridae I'm aware accusing someone of being passive aggressive might not be conducive to moving forward but what happens when that's literally the state of things? There's plain dishonesty with this other user saying one thing when their actions show different. I don't understand how someone can say they want to move forward while telling other people to make changes without joining the discussion. It's clear from this section who among us has actually taken steps to a) resolve this dispute and b) involve other people. Alolanle (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, as a note to all, accusing others of being passive aggressive or making actions in bad faith is not conducive to reaching a peaceful agreement.   †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  18:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not "literally the state of things", it is your perception of their intentions. You both have been informed of what are the appropriate next steps for dispute resolution, but neither have moved forward. Neither of you have clean hands; for example: you attempted to delete the content on the talk page regarding this same issue with Zayn Malik. That may be perceived as an attempt to hide your past actions that some may view as relevant to this discussion. Regardless, I will be moving forward with requesting arbitration, because this conversation is obviously a waste of time due to actions and attitudes from both sides. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  19:42, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Except I have taken all the appropriate steps. Only one person here hasn't. And my deletion of the content on my talk page can't be to hide anything because anybody interested can always view my history. I deleted it because I wanted to finally get around to building my talk and user page to my desires. And I also didn't think it needed to be there seeing as the actual discussion is on the Zayn Malik page. Also, on that issue, the fact that this user in question followed me to the Zayn Malik page to revert my edits there is also something I would be wary of. I'm glad you've helping move this forward but I have to disagree with your both sides characterization because, as you know, I am the only one who has actually sought dispute resolution, and I am the only one who invited other editors here. There's a clear difference between that an a constant a) moving of the goal post as you yourself saw with the attempt to make "guitar sales" the metric" and b) telling other editors NOT to join the discussion. I'm just going to end by saying I will not be contributing to this discussion further except in the arbitration that you have mentioned. My contributions here speak for themselves in the form of the exhaustive references I have provided, as well as the extended dispute resolution procedures I have followed. I have done the work of finding and listing relevant references, done as advised by and sought a third party opinion in the person of  who has graciously and constructively contributed to the discussion. Only one person has refused to take any constructive steps towards resolving this. Their messages are clear in this section as are mine and my attempts to wrap this up. I am not the one who can be accused of dragging this out, or making things contentious. Alolanle (talk) 19:51, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You have not taken "all the appropriate steps" as additional steps have been proposed and not followed through on. A third party opinion is just that, a third party opinion, and is not binding in any way. I agree that everyone's point of view is clearly explained here and further discussion is not needed until mediation. †Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk  19:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Dispute resolution has been opened at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Camila_Cabello#Instruments_discussion †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  20:02, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * To clarify, Alolanle continues to revert users and is not patient in waiting for more opinions on the matter. I'm only commenting here after seeing the user's attitude that after having made their changes yesterday, it was reverted by another users, and then the user was reverted again for not having achieved a consensus on its changes. When Alolanle requested a third opinion here, they did it very early. without waiting for comments from users who disagreed with them. My last comment here was on June 5 but today Alolanie still pings me from this page. And again, Alolanle do not twist my words, please: i wasn't asking the other editor not to join in the discussion, I'm clearly saying: The discussion is still open and always will be (you left a message to the user telling them there is a conclusion when it isn't). And I clarified that you added your changes without waiting a prudent time for more comments here since other users have reversed you. You still are reverting another users. I don't have to do with this situation anymore.  Mia o w   21:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes additional steps were proposed which were not followed. But they were not proposed to me. The administrator made it clear the person who was to follow up and open an RFC was the other editor. I took all the advice as it was given.  You are the one misrepresenting yourself. I told the other editor to join in the discussion. That is clear, as is what you told them. You told other users that they could make those changes without waiting for discussion and yet you say that I, who was encouraging them to join the discussion, am the one being disruptive? And still you refuse to participate in dispute resolution. The discussion is open, and other users should join. I've invited them here, on their talk pages. You have instead brought your conflict to their talk pages too. I'm glad to see you claim (yet again) that you're done with this but I expect to see you again trying to egg someone on to facilitate your derailment of this discussion. I've gone back once but this will be the last time. Any further comments you have regarding me will fall on deaf ears except you direct them towards dispute resolution.Alolanle (talk) 22:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * By continuing this discourse you are showing your intention to argue and not to reach a peaceful resolution, especially since you already said you would not continue to post in this discussion. This is silly. Let’s remember this is a disagreement about content and everything else is irrelevant. Both of you, please refrain from non-content related bickering. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  22:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In adittion, Alolanle has edit warring since april 14, see Talk:Camila Cabello, after the response of another user. Also this,  and  from april 22, etc.  Mia o w    23:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You didn't even wait for an answer from me before you edited the page again and added a hidden message.
 * The discussion for your edits, Alolanle, was still open here but you kept reverting the edits by other users today, and it is being discussed if your edits are correct or not. When i said "I don't have to do with this situation anymore" i wanted to say: I have nothing to do with this business already cause I haven't edited the instruments. You shouldn't tell to other users that there is a "conclusion", when it's not. You are the only one who is reversing others. Ask them to check your edit but stop tagging me please, I already said my opinion, and please Alolanle, stop saying things that are false or that you try to twist to use it as an advantage as the another user told you, cause it's not truth. What you have tried to do in Zayn Malik's talk page you still have not explained.  Mia o w    23:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I comment because the user keeps pinging me. If I do not answer to the user then they would can say that I'm ignoring them, and I want to avoid that. The only thing that I have made clear is that there was not enough consensus (the user claims there is a conclusion but the discussion is still open for others), also that the user did not wait for a prudent time.
 * I can't answer anymore, I have to do other things and I must close session. I want you to know that I only connect from a computer, and that usually I do not respond immediately for that reason. I connect once a day, usually just for a few hours. Best regards.  Mia o w   00:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m not aware of Wikipedia rules that outline time or number of users needed for a consensus. If it exists, please link so we can review the Wikipedia policy. will you be participating in conflict resolution? That is the best venue to resolve this dispute. If you don’t wish to participate, I feel the only way to view that is as a withdrawal from disagreement about the edits. If you still feel strongly that the edits shouldn’t be included, please discuss it with us in the conflict resolution venue. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  00:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well. I am no longer involved in this dispute, I wil explain why: The sources that Alolanle has provided, all of them are reviews and most of them are for Never be the same Tour, and clearly say that Cabello have used the guitar for same single Never Be The Same ( on her tour, or on a television appearance (Ellen`s show)), and she've played the piano(?)/(actually the keyboard for what looks in the pics) also for a same song "Consequences" (   on her tour or as an opening act). This is clearly insufficient and it has not been shown Cabello's playing on the piano or guitar being really relevant/notable to their songs. I think the word primarly known has a very clear meaning. But Alolanle doesn't accept a "no" as an answer and if you try to explain to the user what means primarly and "it's not a list the subject has ever used" it with examples, the user claims im giving my own opinion, but Alolanle already knew of a previous response by another users, even so looks like the user decided to ignore. As I said before, my last comment on the disagreement here was on June 5, after you provided a third opinion, Basilosauridae, and have given to the user the green light so that Alolanle adds not only the guitar, but the... "piano" (?), saying sources are satisfactory for you. After then, I think it's no longer my business if the user keeps has editing warring with other users. This discussion should be as proof of how Alolanle has made their changes without waiting from the beginning for a prudent time to more comments by anothers editors, knowing that their changes had already been reversed before. Thank you and I appreciate your comments,, but I feel that Alolanle has been attacking me and keep twisting my words, and if the user is not going to improve their behavior, I regret to say that I will not participate and I hope you can forgive me. This is my last comment on this section. All the best. -- Mia o w    16:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said above, to me, your refusal to participate in conflict resolution indicates your withdrawal from disagreement about the edit. As you are the sole dissenting voice in this discussion, the edits will be made again, and if other editors don't agree they can carry on the discussion here and make their own arguments. As I previously implied, I'm not sure wikipedia outlines a "prudent" timeline for waiting for consensus, but if it does, I'd love to review that policy. The dispute resolution venue chosen is strictly for content based debates, and not conduct; you have a well constructed argument for why the edits shouldn't be made, so I would still encourage you to participate if you change your mind. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  16:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Seeing the references stated above, Variety said in Dec 2017:

"...“Never Be the Same,” strapping on a guitar and show a musical side she was never able to express within the confines of a girl group."

She wasn't known as a guitar player before, so she's known now, after seven months? I think only guitar is debatable, but piano is out. The latter doesn't have enough coverage. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The citations provided above by support that she's toured with guitar for at least two years iirc, including opening for Taylor Swift a few years ago . She didn't just begin performing with guitar seven months ago. Piano was supported the same way as guitar was, so I'm not sure why there is a difference in merit between the two.  †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  02:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * She didn't open for Swift a few years ago. Can you provide a source for that? She's been a solo artist for one year so far. Piano isn't supported, only one source mentions it, and is the equivalent of "..for every instrument the subject has ever used.." Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:21, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're correct, my timeline is off. The citations for piano were:
 * https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8454667/camila-cabello-never-be-the-same-tour-best-moments
 * https://variety.com/2018/music/news/taylor-swift-shawn-mendes-rose-bowl-1202816978/
 * http://www.citypages.com/music/camila-cabello-scales-down-the-arena-spectacle-for-a-rowdy-state-theatre/480563021
 * Additionally, for what its worth, she has been playing guitar on her youtube for at least two years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlviYjsy6yg †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  04:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Both sources say she played the piano during the song "Consequences". Does that make her notable as a pianist? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it’s open to interpretation, as the preceding conversation shows. For comparison, the Taylor Swift article lists piano and banjo (in addition to guitar) and the Justin Bieber article lists drums in addition to guitar. I think the line is unclear when it comes to multitalented performers. However, I think everyone can agree that the shakira article is an example of a WP:COATRACK violation.

Maybe we should RfC to get more opinions. †Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk  04:44, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I see there's been a back and forth on this in the edit history. As noted/linked above,, ,  ,   are correct. The Infobox template is clear: [underlined emphasis mine] "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using . The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used." A source can note anything an artist does, including picking up an instrument for any given performance(s). Just like we don't list every genre sources say an artist has incorporated into their music, we don't list every instrument a source mentions that an artist picked up (whether as a prop or actually played it). How many times an artist played an instrument anywhere is irrelevant. The parameter is strictly for an instrument or instruments that an artist is "primarily known for using"; i.e., the instrument is integral to the artist's notability, to their artistry/musical career. The sources presented are not stating that the artist is primarily known for being a guitarist/playing the instrument. Again, It does not matter how many times sources merely note that the artist played an instrument somewhere; if sources do not state or write about the instrument being integral to the their artistry/their notability, then they don't consider it to be. Deciding oneself that an instrument should be listed because X number of sources mention that artist used it in some capacity is WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH / WP:SYNTHESIS. Again, the Infobox template is clear: "limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using" and "for every instrument the subject has ever used". It is not saying that an instrument can be listed if a source says an artist has used such instrument, it is saying that sources need to consider the artist's instrument to be integral to their notability, i.e., "only those that the artist is primarily known for using". Like a singer's vocals are integral to their notability, any another instrument, say guitar, should be integral to their notability or artistry - per reliable sources stating this. Follow the instruction of the infobox template and WP policies & guidelines. Lapadite (talk) 21:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

As far as I know she plays guitar a bit(and mostly only on her songs) and probably only knows a few chords. And for the piano, never seen her playing a piano before. I don't think the instruments can be listed on her article. (Bistymings (talk) 04:20, 18 July 2018 (UTC))

Hi, sorry for the delayed response. Thank you for your thoughtful explanation. I agree with your reasoning stated above and concede that, considering the sources provided up until now, only vocals should be included in the info box. Previously, my main objection was based on the subjective nature of the argument (what constitutes as "primary usage"), but I understand now from your comments that that distinction should comes explicitly from sources, and not our interpretation of the sources. Thanks again. †Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk  21:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "that distinction should comes explicitly from sources, and not our interpretation of the sources." - Yes, put succinctly. Lapadite (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks everyone for your feedback. Cheers! -- Mia o w   23:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Excuse me for this, but I don't think we should list any instruments whatsoever until consensus is reached. Rockallnight5 (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There are no active dissenting voices at this time and no one has disagreed on vocals at any point in time. Unless you'd like to make an argument for something other than just "vocals" in the box, it appears consensus has been reached. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  02:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Camila was born in Cojímar
In an interview with Vevo LIFT she stated she was born in Cojímar, Cuba. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk-CNCE-85g

Cabello's birthplace is Cojímar, which is a village in Havana.

Also, here are some sources which state the same birthplace:


 * http://www.celebuzz.com/2015-07-07/camila-cabello-10-things-you-didnt-know-about/
 * http://www.allmusic.com/artist/camila-cabello-mn0003392996/biography

In February, 2017, Cabello posted a tweet saying: "from cojimar to the frickin grammys..." https://twitter.com/camila_cabello/status/831000119805767681 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lololopsasassa (talk • contribs) 19:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see in the Habana del Este that Cojimar is in the borough of Habana del Este, so we can adjust her birthlace to Cojimar, Habana del Este, Cuba. Peaceray (talk) 19:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/camila-cabello-mn0003392996/biography she was born in a small village in Havana Sibudaqueen (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2018
2804:14C:6582:6751:F104:BDCD:6E87:551C (talk) 18:49, 27 September 2018 (UTC) Switch Cuban-American for Cuban-Mexican, becausa Camila's father is Mexican and her mother is Cuban, and Camlia was born in Cuba so she is Cuban-Mexican
 * Not done - I believe this refers to her citizenship and not ethnicity. Regardless, a citation would be required to change the information if that were the case. †Basilosauridae  ❯❯❯Talk  18:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Information about "Consequences - orchestra"
I think information should be added about this single, the music video associated with it and Cabello's performance of the song at the 2018 AMAs. Best! Viannebuinguyen (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2019
In the first paragraph, change "formed on The X Factor (2012)" to "performed on The X Factor (2012)". 2602:304:CD96:1DF9:216:CBFF:FE8D:1DAA (talk) 14:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: current wording makes perfect sense. <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 00:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Photo
2018 photo is better and more recent also Camila looks more beautiful in the 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealCanadian71 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 5 March 2019 (UTC) Lol, your hilarious — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealCanadian71 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a screenshot from a video and is therefore not great quality, a little fuzzy. It would be OK in the main body of the article, though. Black Kite (talk) 21:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

You guys were arguing about it and now someone else change the photo to a worse quality one. (Jesslust (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC))

Instrument
she can also play guitar PKaputa (talk) 18:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , citation? Peaceray (talk) 18:48, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

DMY Instead of MDY Due to Being a Cuban Citizen. It Should've Been Added When This Was First Made
Since she is fully Cuban with some American citizenship, she was supposed to have the DMY format rather than the MDY layout.

Everyone knows that she was the only member of Fifth Harmony who wasn't from the United States. Her Spanish accent most likely disappeared when she moved to Florida when she was six in 2003.

It has been semi protected ever since the Ty $-assisted Work From Home was released for 7/27 their last album with her before her December 2016 departure. Response if needed. 2601:143:C500:9818:A557:F24B:3A0C:A9B3 (talk) 05:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Sincerely,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 16:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Summoned here through a message on my talk page. Since Cabello is both a Cuban and American citizen, either date format works. The MDY format that’s currently used on the article is acceptable, stable and hasn’t been subject of edit warring. I do not see any point in rewriting the whole article with a different format. Regards.—<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 19:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2019
change the listed birth location from Havana, Cuba to Cojimar, Cuba Literate Enigma (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 02:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Señorita update
Señorita peaked at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and marks Camila’s second #1 song. Please note this!! :) PlantLife089 (talk) 22:54, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, as a lead artist in both songs, but not as a solo artist.  Miaow  16:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Nationality and Place of Birth
Camila is not Cuban-American. Her papá is pure Mexican and her mother is purely Cuban. Although she did move to America when she was 7 it has nothing to do with her nationality. She was also born in Havana, Cuba, not Cojimar Cuba. This link proves both claims which I seem to know because I have been her fan since x-factor, lol. "My papá is puro Mexicano and we lived back and forth between the heat of Havana and the concrete jungle of Mexico City."

Esamiiraaz (talk) 15:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Born in Cuba to a Cuban mother, lived in America since the age of 5 and has an American citizenship (which is a nationality). Sounds like "Cuban-American" is an all right description of her, Cuban/Mexican/American might be a bit long. The article does say she was born in Havana. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that she is Cuban-Mexican. She doesn't have American heritage. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 23:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2019
Delete: "However, there has been some public outcry over their relationship, as both were accused of attempting to form a relationship for publicity." There's no need for this to be in here as it has nothing to do with her personally, just others reactions. Also, her boyfriend, Shawn, has confirmed it is not a publicity stunt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ Luckyshawmila (talk) 14:19, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Agreed. The fact that some random journalists/whatever think it's a publicity stunt is irrelevant. <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 22:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2019
Delete: "However, the relationship has garnered controversy, as both were accused of attempting to form a relationship for publicity.[94][95][96]" There's no need for this to be in here as it has nothing to do with her personally, just others reactions. Shawn Mendes has also confirmed it is not a publicity stunt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ. This should be about facts not internet gossip. Citing the Guardian (a highly questionable source) as evidence that the relationship is fake is wrong, especially since it is based on nothing but internet gossip. Or if it will remain, at least add that Mendes has denied those rumors.

If section is not deleted, please change "However, the relationship has garnered controversy, as both were accused of attempting to form a relationship for publicity.[94][95][96]" to "The relationship was initially speculated to have been formed for publicity, but Mendes denied it stating it was "definitely not a stunt"." Sources: https://www.capitalfm.com/artists/shawn-mendes/camila-cabello-dating-relationship/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennybarb1991 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅. I've added that Mendes denied such claims. The controversy exists and its impact covered by sources, in addition it makes their relationship already relevant to be added here. Best regards.  Miaow  03:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2019
This should be added to early life, she wasn't able to see her father much for a couple of years, source: Variety, Much, Miami, The New York Times, Popsugar, NPR, Billboard, TIME and Entertainment and even in her YouTube document, Made in Miami. These should be added to philanthropy, she joined the Group of Humanitarian Organizations to fight famine on July 21, 2017, she became Save The Children's ambassador and visited/donated to Philadelphia Children's Hospital in 2018 Sksbjejsksjskekskwisjsjjs (talk) 03:45, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. QueerFilmNerd  talk 04:11, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

https://www.popsugar.com/latina/Camila-Cabello-Her-Cuban-Background-42239921/amp https://amp.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article225728250.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/arts/music/camila-cabello-fifth-harmony-solo-album.html https://variety.com/2019/music/features/camila-cabello-fifth-harmony-taylor-swift-trump-1203290123/amp/ https://www.npr.org/2018/01/13/577656995/camila-cabello-is-in-control-i-express-myself-however-i-want https://www.much.com/camila-cabello-made-in-miami-documentary-youtube/ https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/columns/pop/7751677/camila-cabello-writing-music-immigrant-cuba-to-america https://time.com/collection/american-voices-2017/4927699/american-voices-camila-cabello/ https://ew.com/article/2016/09/16/camila-cabello-immigration-story/amp/ https://hiplatina.com/camila-cabello-rolling-stone/amp/ https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/camila-cabello https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73_OWzBr8Fo https://quemas.mamaslatinas.com/inspiration/151566/camila-cabello-cuban-mexican-immigration-story — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sksbjejsksjskekskwisjsjjs (talk • contribs) 16:06, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Those sources all say Cabello immigrated to the US with her mom, and her dad joined them about 18 months later. That's also exactly what our article says. <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 19:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, looking at the article history, you were the one who added it. Regardless, I've closed the edit request as unnecessary now. Thanks, <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 19:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Personal Life
Cabello is rumored to have dated Austin Mahone in 2014, but fans speculate it to have been PR. Camila and Lauren Jauregui’s relationship was under a big microscope and continues to be. Fans use the ship name "Camren" to refer to the relationship. Many fans speculated a lesbian relationship between the duo, fans vented via social media that their breakup led Cabello to quit Fifth Harmony among other reasons. Their relationship has been denied countless times. Cabello is good friends with Taylor Swift. Icha1279 (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * @Icha1279: Without a source, none of that can be mentioned in the article. It should barely even be mentioned on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. Please provide realible sources. Her friendship with Taylor Swift isn't relevant. -- Mia o w   05:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Reinstated edit about her dating Matthew Hussey as it is notable and two sources were provided. Several more notable sources exist on the topic -- Aliceba (talk) 22:43, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

It's pretty abusive how someone keeps editing this section about her relationship with Shawn to post it's fake based on internet trash talk, even after its edited out. Can someone please rectify that? Njmam (talk) 06:52, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

To quote Wikipedia's guide to editing - verifiability - questionable sources "Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely considered by other sources to be extremist or promotional, or that rely heavily on unsubstantiated gossip, rumor or personal opinion. Questionable sources should be used only as sources for material on themselves, such as in articles about themselves; see below. They are not suitable sources for contentious claims about others." Njmam (talk) 07:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

REQUEST FOR EDIT - Can someone please edit the section about her relationship with Shawn Mendes. Citing the Guardian (a highly questionable source) as evidence that the relationship is fake is wrong, especially since it is based on nothing but internet gossip. Or if it will remain, at least add that Mendes has denied those rumors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennybarb1991 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Can someone stop adding unsubstantiated gossip about her relationship with Shawn Mendes. This is not a forum for trolls, this is supposed to be a source of information. Please Delete: "However, the relationship has garnered controversy, as both were accused of attempting to form a relationship for publicity.[94][95][96]" There's no need for this to be in here as it has nothing to do with her personally, just others reactions. Shawn Mendes has also confirmed it is not a publicity stunt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ. This should be about facts not internet gossip. Citing the Guardian (a highly questionable source) as evidence that the relationship is fake is wrong, especially since it is based on nothing but internet gossip. Or if it will remain, at least add that Mendes has denied those rumors.

If section is not deleted, please change to "The relationship was initially speculated to have been formed for publicity, but Mendes denied it stating it was "definitely not a stunt"." Sources: https://www.capitalfm.com/artists/shawn-mendes/camila-cabello-dating-relationship/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ.


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. OhKayeSierra (talk) 05:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Can someone stop adding unsubstantiated gossip about her relationship with Shawn Mendes. This is not a forum for trolls, this is supposed to be a source of information. Please Delete: "However, the relationship has garnered controversy, as both were accused of attempting to form a relationship for publicity.[94][95][96]" There's no need for this to be in here as it has nothing to do with her personally, just others reactions. Shawn Mendes has also confirmed it is not a publicity stunt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ. This should be about facts not internet gossip. Citing the Guardian (a highly questionable source) as evidence that the relationship is fake is wrong, especially since it is based on nothing but internet gossip. Or if it will remain, at least add that Mendes has denied those rumors.

If section is not deleted, please change to "The relationship was initially speculated to have been formed for publicity, but Mendes denied it stating it was "definitely not a stunt"." Sources: https://www.capitalfm.com/artists/shawn-mendes/camila-cabello-dating-relationship/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPUrnOaffQ. Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. His own words are a primary source of information, and Wikipedia requires reliable secondary sources independent of the subject.

Shawn stated yesterday that his romantic relationship with Camila started on July 4th 2019 so I was wondering if you could add that Eturner14 (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2019
In the lead, please change Romance to Romance 186.11.8.54 (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 23:23, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure these belong in philanthropy.
Camila has always used her platform to spread awareness, has always told her followers to donate and help others, she has made tweets that donate and speak up about things happening all around the world

This tweet she made in 2015 is her telling her followers to donate to Save The Children for Nepal which she clearly also did as you can see very well in the tweet. https://mobile.twitter.com/Camila_Cabello/status/592537003029323776 she also told them to retweet, which is another way to donate

This is another tweet she made in 2015 that donated to charities. https://mobile.twitter.com/Camila_Cabello/status/655492970779557888

And another tweet she made in 2015 that donated to charities. https://mobile.twitter.com/Camila_Cabello/status/560525176782471169

Thank you for reading my discussions by the way Sksbjejsksjskekskwisjsjjs (talk) 02:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you are suggesting in terms of article improvements. That the subject tweeted a few things isn't really noteworthy, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh :/ I thought those tweets would fit since she's donated money to charities and raises awareness with them and things similar to that, sorry Sksbjejsksjskekskwisjsjjs (talk) 04:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Updated bio
Camila's introductory biography mentions that she was nominated for two Grammys, but she has now been nominated for three Grammys with the addition of the nomination for Best Pop Duo/Group for Señorita alongside Shawn Mendes at the 2020 Grammys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennybarb1991 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2019
Camilla's age in 019 is 22 years old 182.64.21.29 (talk) 13:42, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Interstellarity (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Birthplace
This has been something that has been bugging me for awhile. The infobox states that Cabello was born in Cojímar, but the article states her birthplace is Havana. Going on, the article adds that she was raised in Cojímar, but her birthplace is still Havana. This inconsistency needs to be fixed. It seems to me that the bigger issue here regarding the inconsistency is whether Cojímar is part of Havana. It's located in the Habana del Este municipality which is in La Habana Province. However, as is mentioned on the La Habana Province article, Habana del Este is not one of the municipalities that makes up the actual city of Havana, and is simply part of Metropolitan Havana.

So then here are the possible solutions: 1) Move all references to birth to Cojímar and state she was raised there as well, 2) Move all references to birth to Havana and state she was raised in Cojímar, 3) Move all references to birth to La Habana Province and state she was raised in Cojímar. <b style="color: #AB2B2B;">{ [ ( jjj</b> <b style="color: #000000;">1238 ) ] }</b> 14:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020
190.102.243.238 (talk) 19:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pupsterlove02  talk • contribs 20:13, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
Camila Cabello is Cuban-Mexican not Cuban-American. She was born in Cuba but her father is from Mexico City. Then she immigrated to USA. Therefore, she is Cuban-Mexican. HardGirlGamer (talk) 06:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC) Agonz


 * Discussed a little bit above: We often mention citizenship/nationality like this. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:35, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * From Cuban Americans: "Cuban Americans ... are Americans who trace their ancestry to Cuba. The word may refer to someone born in the U.S. of Cuban descent or to someone who has emigrated to the U.S. from Cuba." That definition applies here. Peaceray (talk) 13:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

a small error ive noticed
in the early life section it says she came to the US when she was five but, i read all the articles and they all say she came to the US exactly when she was nearly seven. i cant fix it cause i just made an account but if someone else can it would be nice. Kittencamilizer (talk) 04:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2021
Hey, I’ d like to suggest to change her picture. Haters have been using the 2019’s AMAs one to drag her on Twitter. I’m one of her fan accounts there and I think that the picture on her french page fits better. Thank you for reading. Angelswann (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌ The image used on https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camila_Cabello&oldid=180823763, File:Camila Cabello L’Oréal 2020.jpg, lacks the free licensing notice at its source, https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/615233999088582503/, & I have marked it for speed deletion. It seems to be sourced from L’Oréal & is thus commercial. Peaceray (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

"Cuban-born American" for the lede?
According to her own article, she was born in Cuba (though moved back and fourth between Cuba and Mexico when she was younger) and moved to the United States when she was 5 years old, relocating to Florida. In 2008, she got U.S citizenship, but according to her infobox, Cuba doesn't recognize dual nationality. As far as I know, her most notable activities have been in the United States and she currently lives in America (Los Angeles to be exact). So wouldn't it make more sense for her to have "Cuban-born American" in her lede? Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn’t notice that but yes, it makes more sense. Trillfendi (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Cuba does recognize dual citizenship
Just to clarify, Cuba has always recognized de facto dual citizenship. Since 2019 with the | new Constitution it is recognized de jure. This is the Wikipedia article for it. I have also checked other Wikipedia articles about people who were born in Cuba and then moved to the US, and all of them refer to their nationalities as Cuban American.
 * Gloria Estefan
 * Celia Cruz
 * William Levy

Yazle (talk) 14:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC
Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox (talk) 00:12, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021
2600:6C67:1A00:4BFD:8184:E7CF:A1B9:FC6F (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2021 (UTC) Camila cabello dated Lauren Jauregui 2013-18
 * ❌ It's not clear what changes you want to be made <b style="color:red; text-shadow:darkred 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Tommi1986</b> <b style="color:brown">let's talk!</b> 10:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021
She moved to the U.S. at nearly 7… not 5, read all the articles linked… y'all went almost 2 years back in age. She was still going up and down between Cuba and Mexico at 5… Blackandwhitecat (talk) 19:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The refs say 6 or "almost 7". ✅. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 19:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Personal Life Section Changes
The current personal life summary on this page only mentions her current boyfriend, Shane Mendes, of two years with a reference to them being accused of a PR stunt. Considering they’ve been dating for two years now and have been friends for many years before that, I think this section should be revised to leave out the unfounded rumors and talk more about their relationship.

Suggested edit: Since July 2019, Camila Cabello, has been dating fellow singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes. The pair had been long time friends after they met on a tour they were both opening acts for in 2014. They both denied dating rumors for years, rumors that only grew when they collaborated on their song “I Know What You Did Last Summer”, before entering into a romantic relationship after their work on their collaboration “Señorita” in 2019. Since then, they have moved in together and split their time between Camila’s family home in Miami, Florida and their home in Los Angeles. In 2020, the couple announced that they had adopted a golden retriever puppy named Tarzan. Lukadarkwater (talk) 21:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Musical page request
Please add song samples to her songs to fully complete her page and allow people to hear her Bee music 41.115.114.48 (talk) 13:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Chromosomal status
I heard she is a highly functioning trisomic. Is this true? If so, worth adding as this is surely a positive role model that goes against many people's prejudices. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:61F9:CB05:7AA2:BA10 (talk) 08:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Camila's second nationality is Mexican, this article should say "Cuban-Mexican" since she identifies herself in this way and is legally a citizen of these two countries
Camila has Mexican nationality, as established in her "Clave Única de Registro de Población" (CURP) document that serves to individually register all persons residing in Mexico, as well as Mexicans residing in other countries. This document also establishes that Cabello acquired Mexican nationality in 2000, her CURP is in the public domain and can be checked on the website of the Mexican government. Please change it, she has said that she's proudly a Cuban-Mexican immigrant. Cb285 (talk) 06:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This requires verification from a reliable source. Since works that are created by the Mexican government do not default to being public domain, being protected 100 years after publication (see Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Mexico#Government works|Common's description of the copyright terms for works by the Government of Mexico), we cannot simply take a picture or a screen shot of it. Navigating the CURP website is not easy if one does know all the information. For instant, what state(s) apply? Is all the date & name information the same as is listed in the Wikipedia article?
 * I think it would be best if you provided a secondary or tertiary reliable source. Please see WP:SOURCETYPES for a guide of what types of reliable sources would be acceptable. Peaceray (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Add Link For "My Oh My"
The article for "My Oh My" should be included in the lead sections, where it's stated that "My Oh My" was released from "Romance" 24.180.22.221 (talk) 18:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

On my personal account, I edited it Michael Ly Vietnam (talk) 07:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Nationality
ManuelContreras1996 (talk) 02:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Refer to WP:BLPRIVACY. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 02:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Cuban American
Camila is Cuban American, she was born in Cuba.

'''Title IV. Citizenship''' of the Constitution of Cuba (see here):

Article 34:  ''A person is a Cuban citizen through birth if: ''a. They are born within the national territory, with the exception of the children of foreigners that are in the service of their government or an international organization. The law establishes the requirements and the formalities for cases involving the children of foreigners who are not permanent residents within the country;''

Article 36 : ''The acquisition of other citizenship does not imply the loss of Cuban citizenship. Cuban citizens, as long as they are within national territory, are governed by this condition, in the terms established by the law, and may not make use of another citizenship.''

Also, Article 38 reads: ''Cubans may not be deprived of their citizenship, except for legally sanctioned causes. The law establishes the procedure to be followed in order to formalize the loss or renouncement of citizenship as well as the authorities empowered to decide in these cases.''

As far as I am aware Camila hasn't renounced her Cuban citizenship. Yazle (talk) 17:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Not disputing dual nationality but it is not relevant to what goes in lead - see below. Also note that her father was Mexican so she also has Mexican nationality because of that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Yazle - that seems to apply for changes to Cuban citizenship laws in 2019. The sources state that she acquired U.S. citizenship in 2008 and had Mexican citizenship in 1997.
 * It looks like past laws regarding Cuban nationality stated that it's often lost upon the acquisition of another citizenship?
 * (Constitution, art. 32) ... The causes of loss of citizenship established in the 1976 Constitution had a prior tradition in the following cases: acquiring a foreign citizenship
 * Article 31, as reformed in 1992, is still valid today: it leaves the legislator free to define the causes for losing citizenship, it maintained the reservation of law for the recovery of citizenship, it specified that double citizenship is not accepted, as in the case of acquiring a foreign one, the Cuban one will be lost, but admitted the right to change citizenship
 * I don't know what her actual citizenship situation is, but she acquired her Mexican and American passports long before 2019. Is there any irrefutable proof that she maintains triple citizenship? Until then, I'm removing it. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 07:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, If you look at the paragraph just below the one you quoted, it reads:
 * In the absence of a citizenship law, there is currently no regular procedure for its loss. According to the norm, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MINREX) must instruct a file of loss of citizenship when it becomes aware that a Cuban citizen has acquired another citizenship and communicate its decision through a resolution. Then, MINREX must submit its decision to the Ministry of Justice, for registration in the Civil Registry. However, by state decision, MINREX refrains from making this type of declarations. The result is that, in practice, Cubans who reside outside the national territory, and who have acquired a new citizenship, do not lose the Cuban one. Therefore, they must enter the country with a Cuban passport, unless they have emigrated before December 31st, 1970, or can provide documentary evidence of the loss of Cuban citizenship. For all national purposes, only Cuban citizenship is recognized. There is a legal possibility to renounce citizenship, but no procedure for this (...)
 * So basically prior to 2019, in practice Cubans didn't lose their citizenship when acquiring a new one. This according to your own source.
 * Regards, Yazle (talk) 16:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your source https://cadmus.eui.eu/bitstream/handle/1814/66428/RSCAS_GLOBALCIT_CR_2020_3.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Yazle (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Grazia magazine has an interview in which she says she and her mother were able to cross easily from Mexico to the USA because they were both Cuban citizens, but her Mexican father could not come with them. So she definitely had Cuban citizenship as a six- or seven-year-old. Binksternet (talk) 20:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)