Talk:Camp for Climate Action

Neutrality
Certain sections of this article appear to be highly biased in their appraisal of the Camp. I have already removed a subjective adjective from the Drax Protest section ("impressive 'kids march'"). In the Continuing Campaign section, there is also an example of a 'weasel worded' statement "It was felt by many that the Camp marked a turning point in grass-roots campaigning against the causes of climate change". Although this claim is referenced, it has no encyclopaedic value. Who is this 'many'? Are they biased? etc.


 * I've edited the sentence to a more neutral "The Guardian newspaper reported..." Cooperp1 19:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * agreed, this article is written from an inside perspective and if it were a brand or product that were being discussed it would almost certainly be criticized for reading like a commercial. I understand that some of the editors active on this article may feel very strongly about the issues, which concern climate camp, but this page should give a reader a well rounded idea of what climate camp is, how it started and information regarding the significant amounts of controversy and media attention it has received. This page needs to be compared to other similar articles. were it not published on wikipedia I would assume that the information within came from a climate camp pamphlet or flyer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.232.114.48 (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have contributed quite a lot of content to the articles over the past few years (as PeterEastern and under a previous name) and while I am no way an 'insider' I am generally sympathetic to their position and some neutral eyes would be good. I suggest we should cover:- what happened, was it peaceful or not, were people hurt or not, was stuff damaged or not, what was the policing like and how much did it cost, who was supportive of the action, why did they do it and why did they choose the location and focus and what was the response of their 'targets'. This last action at Ratcliffe was different from the previous ones in that there was a clear intention to do criminal damage (tearing down fences). Blackheath one illegal (they didn't have permission to be there) but it was peaceful. Camp in the City as illegal (they didn't have permission to be there) and peaceful until the riot police came in. Kingsnorth seemed to be a mixture with some heavy policing and attempted to get it. We should cover the educational side (lots of workshops) and I was amazed to see the Telegraph of all papers describing it as 'chic'! Do please edit away and I will contribute from time to time. I was hoping someone would add something about the 'targets' for the protests from Blackheath and of course the fact that Ratcliffe was chosen at that event. PeterEastern (talk) 16:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Another page for Camp
There is another page at Camp for climate action (note different capitalisation of title) which I am working on merging with this one. I will then remove that other page. Paddedrock 18:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I have now completed the merge. This article had been tagged since September for cleanup, but with no comment here or on the Cleanup Page as to what was specifically required. I hope that this has to a certain extent now been done so I have removed the claenup tag. The other, duplicate page still needs to be deleted. I do not (yet) know how to process this. Paddedrock 19:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice one for doing all the work. When I find the time I will upload some pictures. Also I think it would be good to get more references for the 'Police Attention' paragraph. WietsE 10:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures uploaded! WietsE 14:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Preparing for 2007 camp
How should preparations for the 2007 camp's inclusion in Wikipedia begin? Should this article be moved to "Camp for Climate Action 2006", with a clear link at the top of this article? Or should section headings be edited? Also, there is little space for subsequent actions, including those at Nottingham East Midlands Airport, Bristol and a major gallery in London (name escapes me). In one sense, this page might detail the CfCA movement, with other pages detailing the camps in particular. Which option seems preferable?

--Graham Martin 23:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah that sounds about right. this page can be for the actual movement and other individual pages can about individual actions etc. WietsE 12:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Now we are here it looks to me like we need 2 articles, one for the current highly notable protest and one about the general movement and last year's campaign. The article was a mess because of the current updating situation but I have fixed it and will separate over the next few days depending ont he situation at Heathrow and what other editors here may think, SqueakBox 00:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't it instead make sense to keep this page as what it says in the title; actions inspired by the camp, and of course the camp, should be referenced if anywhere in the page 'Environmental direct action in the United Kingdom', otherwise you're creating for no good reason 2 separate threads... -Bob's Uncle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.53.80.11 (talk) 02:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Page organisation
this page is poorly ordered and dominated by Criticism. I beleive that such a significant event needs more of an adequate description. the NUJ criticism is a minor issue but seems to dominate the page. Maybe biased wikipedia editing is to blame? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * What hapened is the article needed reorganising for the 07 camp because it didnt make any sense and it was and is the 07 camp that is the most notable feature. Unfortunately the only information about the 07 camp has been criticism and while I expanded the notable policie bit I do agree that this NUJ criticism needs trimming and will do so and put it below the police bit. What we need is some positive input re the 07 camp, SqueakBox 00:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Restructure!
I have taken the liberty of restructuring the article to create a framework into which information about further camps can be added. I have created an introduction for the features of the camps that seem to persist from year to year but I am not an insider so others may know better! I am intending to create a timeline for the 2007 camp, with a sentence at least for the events of each day (referenced of course), and something about the lead-up to the camp including the injunction and the aftermath. Do check out the section I have added to the main Heathrow Airport article. People may also being interested in Flying Matters. I will add references to verify the current claims where I can find them, and will highlight ones where there is no evidence with Fact. PeterIto (talk) 23:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Links
I think that the following link should be added as it is an agregation of video from the climate camp workshops. Please take a look, and yes, it is my blog but i think the content is useful and is not elsewhere avialble. I took the film so their are no copyright issues.

http://climatechangeaction.blogspot.com/search/label/climate%20camp

Calvin Jones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.132.167 (talk) 13:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Images for Camp in the City
I have uploaded some images of Camp in the City to my Flickr site that can be used in the article however I left at 16:30 so have none available for later in the day. There are no suitably licensed images on Flickr yet for later in the day. Does anyone have any? Also, I am using a new Wikipedia account for this and am not yet trusted to upload photos - possibly someone else would like to do that with mine? PeterEastern (talk) 10:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Images for Heathrow protest
I have uploaded a number of photos of the Heathrow climate camp to Flickr. I am using a new Wikipedia account for this and I am not yet trusted to upload photos to wikipedia - could someone else do that for me. PeterEastern (talk) 19:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Kingsnorth policing
In case I forget to add it later this is a good source for adding the police's opinion of the policing of Kingsnorth last year.Smartse (talk) 05:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * And this: "Police prepared to admit Climate Camp 'stop and search' was unlawful". 128.232.228.103 (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Ratcliffe section
We have some basic information about the Ratcliffe action now. I am sourcing one or more photos and hope to have them in about 24-48 hours released using a suitable CC-BY-SA license. I have also asked E.ON for clarification about the three coal fired powerstations that they claim they are closing (frequently mentioned in the press in articles about the protest). They only have 3 in the UK and intend to expand one (Kingsnorth) and are I believe not planning to close Ratcliffe. They are indeed planing to close Ironbridge (because it doesn't meet emissions regulations and they have chosen not to upgrade it so that it does) so I assume assume that the other two are therefore in other countries. I am doing some work on the E.ON UK article to list the power plants and outputs etc and have added more details to the Ratcliffe article. PeterEastern (talk) 16:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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