Talk:Campaign of Grodno

the lede
As far as the lede adequately summarizing the article, I think it's "almost there" for the GA. Right now it summarizes the essence of the conflict and the outcome. What's missing is the main reason for why the plan failed. Right now we have: this was the allied plan, this is what it tried to achieve, but Charles outmaneuvered it, and this is what actually happened. The part that's missing is the turning point, or in other words, the reason for why the plan failed. From my reading of the article (and while I have some familiarity with the subject, it's very general and I'm mostly just copy editing here) the key to the Swedish success was the ability to march and transfer troops very quickly and surprise the allied forces. I hesitate to make that change because I want to make sure that this was in fact the key factor. Imonoz, is that about right? If so, we can expand the lede a bit more to put that in there and then I think we're good to go.Volunteer Marek (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The absolute turning point of the campaign was the battle of Fraustadt against Rehnskiöld. That's when the plan failed since the main Saxon army and Agustus would after they beat Rhenskiöld move and engage Charles in the rear simultaneously as he was engaged at the front in Grodno. Until that battle the plan worked in the allies favor, after however, when Peter of Russia got notified about the defeat he ordered the Russian troops at Grodno to retreat. Imonoz (talk) 11:21, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The article was just passed. Congrats! Feitlebaum (talk) 02:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)