Talk:Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries

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To be translated:[http://ccphistory.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_12.html

「鎮反」與「肅反」是不同的] 肅反」發生的時間是從一九五五年七月至一九五七年底. 前此發生了兩件事，一是一九五五年四月全國黨代會期間發生的「潘楊事件」，上海市副市長潘漢年被誣為 「內奸」，不久又發生了著名的「胡風事件」. 由於「潘楊事件」和「胡風事件」，中共認為「自己人」內部也有問題，乃於是年七月一日，發出《關於開展鬥爭肅 清暗藏的反革命分子的指示》，全國各地先後開展肅反運動，同年八月廿五日，中共中央又發出《關於徹底肅清暗藏反革命分子的指示》，要求在全國範圍內，按照 中央「七一」指示規定，進一步開展肅清一切暗藏反革命分子的運動. 肅反對象是「黨和國家機關、軍隊內部」的幹部. 簡單講，「鎮反」打擊對象是對中共政權有威脅的黨外組織和個人；「肅反」則針對中共政權內部「暗藏的敵人」. 兩者不僅發生的背景有別，時間不同，對象也不同.


 * Is that blog above reliable? Homunculus (duihua) 15:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Article structure
I have some thoughts about the structure. I would have thought a more general overview/introduction would be more appropriate before delineating the roles of the main parties. Is that so? Also, I don't like all the italics for quotes. Makes reading a bit confusing. Homunculus (duihua) 15:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * About the CCP propaganda, the only question I have is: is the information there confirmed by other sources? We should not quote what the CCP says as facts unless there is some corroborating source. I would understand the wish to delete the material if CCP documentation is the only thing available on this. Homunculus (duihua) 03:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Homunculus, whenever possible, sources like Xinhua, People's Daily are to be avoided, as they have been proved to be telling lies and lies and lies. CCTV also need to be avoided.

I suggest you to go and remove this "Background" section.

 Arilang   talk  07:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

According to who? Where does WP:RS state that Chinese state media sources can't be used? I don't see a problem as long as they're properly attributed.--PCPP (talk) 11:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * User PCPP, try go to articles such as Korean War or Second Sino-Japanese War, and add content presented by CCTV or Xinhua, and see how long your content will last.  Arilang   talk  13:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The point is that content from Chinese state media is not used as fact, but as the opinion of the Chinese Communist Party on some matter only. Big difference. I am thinking of making an article on the Cult of Mao, in case either of you are interested in that topic. Homunculus (duihua) 06:42, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Removed sources
I've removed several these sources as they fail WP:RS, are improperly formatted, and largely consists of foreign language blogs and forums with little verification on scholarship.--PCPP (talk) 11:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In Chinese:中共中央關於鎮壓反革命活動的指示（一九五○年十月十日）Google translation
 * In Chinese: 鎮壓反革命運動Google translation
 * In Chinese:政務院、最高人民法院關于鎮壓反革命活動的指示Google translation
 * In Chinese:镇压反革命 大杀国民党人Google translation
 * In Chinese:镇压反革命必须实行党的群众路线*               来源：《毛泽东选集》（第五卷）　作者：毛泽东 会议时间：1951-05
 * In Chinese:認清毛澤東　第17集－鎮壓反革命 大殺國民黨人Google translation
 * (Chinese)1949之後：殺人如麻的鎮反(美國之音記者：李肅2007年11月4日華盛頓報導)Google translation
 * (Chinese)恐怖︰毛澤東政權的基礎 作者：蔡詠梅Google translation
 * (Chinese)按比例殺人Google translation
 * (Chinese)新中国“镇压反革命”运动研究（中） 作者：杨奎松Google translation
 * (Chinese)新中国“镇压反革命”运动研究 杨奎松 原载《史学月刊》2006年第1期Google translation
 * (Chinese)从内部攻破堡垒－－读张戎女士《鲜为人知的毛》有感 (纽约)李大立
 * (Chinese)张戎:《毛泽东-鲜为人知的故事》31 登基之初Google translation
 * In Chinese:鎮壓反革命之二

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Infobox POV issues
It looks like in May, IP 142.112.236.29 decided to change everything in the infobox to the ROC — instead of “Republic of China remnants,” for instance, they wrote “Central Government remnants;” instead of “People’s Republic of China” they put Kuomintang China with the Nationalist Chinese flag and listed it as “occupied.”

I personally prefer the Nationalist government over the Communist one for a variety of reasons (one of which is this counterrevolutionary suppression campaign), but I also feel that listing China as occupied in the infobox and calling the Kuomintang government (which by then had been based in Taiwan for around a year) the “Central Government” just comes off as POV and not objective. However, this edit’s been here for a while and no one’s changed it, so I don’t know if there’s already a consensus on this matter — if there isn’t, may I revert it? Marcustcii (talk) 04:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I have reverted related edits. Seems to be KMT/Republican era POV pusher. ときさき   くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 22:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)