Talk:Canada/Archive 28

New interactive zoomable map
@Canterbury Tail Hi, the OpenStreetMap map is interactive and zoomable and very well shows map of Canada. Why you revert my edit? This map is different from all existing maps. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Canterbury Tail I really believe that if you want to remove one of two maps, you should remove the svg map and not the OpenStreetMap map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In the infobox it added nothing over the map we already had, in fact it was less clear and requires you to go to an external link to get the use out of it which isn't useful in an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 16:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Canterbury Tail I really disagree with you! It is very clear and even more clear than the svg. All water border is shown in this new map. Also islands of Canada is shown better and more clearly. These details only can be shown by OpenStreetMap. I.e., border of Canada is better shown.
 * Additionally the ability of zooming on each city and each island of Canada is provided. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Canterbury Tail This ability is specially well-used by mobile users. They rapidly zoom by two fingers. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't need to keep pinging me. The zoom functionality isn't available in the infobox, the user has to click and go to another page. The utility isn't there for the actual infobox. Anyway lets see what others have to say. Canterbury Tail talk 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Fully agree with Canterbury Tail. The original should be kept. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Joeyconnick We are in the year 2023. I think we should not use maps from 19th or 20th century that lacks any metadata and are text free. Maps without metadata is for 19th century, we are in the year 2023. So we should use maps with full interctive metadata. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am with Canterbury Tail on this as well. You cannot actually zoom in much using the new map without clicking on it and leaving the Wikipedia website, and without that feature it is no more useful than the current map. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR Aside from zoom and clicking problem, one of main differences of svg and OpenStreetMap is border of Canada. Please compare

with



The border of the second map shows only dryness lands, but Canada posses many seas. So the border of Canada in the second map is more accurate and useful.
 * The borders of the one you're illustrating above are subjectively worse. In the infobox, and in your image above, they look like Canada controls all of the western coast all the way from Washington state to Alaska when that's not the case. Canterbury Tail talk 20:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Now the map you added here is actually useful due to the small scale of it and delineating the boundaries in a way that is clear and useful in the infobox context. So this isn't an entire thing against everything, it's just in the context of this article and its infobox the map isn't useful. Canterbury Tail talk 20:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would agree that the street view map is worse, as the details of the border are hard to see. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Are these being spammed all over the place again? We have talked about these maps a few times. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 20:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * For final words, I really disagree with all 4 people engaged in this discussion! In my opinion, interactive maps should be replaced by solid maps gradually. You are all right that we have some problems in zooming, but in future these bugs can be removed from Wikipedia and we can insert "Interactive maps" instead of "solid maps" in Wikipedia for all Infoboxes. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note you're going about this the wrong way, you're just antagonizing everyone with this attitude. However more importantly this isn't about the maps per say, it's about their usefulness in their sizes in the infoboxes. Infoboxes are expected to summarize the article, not to supplant in any way. You should read MOS:INFOBOX. They're to assist in the article, not there to be used as a set of weblinks. This is why the websites in infoboxes should show the URL as the information, not just link to it. We try to keep people inside Wikipedia as much as possible that is the ultimate objective as we can't control outside sources. Most of the maps you're adding at the country level are not helpful inside the infobox as they don't show the subject in a manner useful inside the infobox and require the user to click on them and go outside in order to get any use out of them. That's an external link, not an infobox map. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 20:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have an idea for implementing this scenario: We use OpenStreetMap to show a map of Canada with these settings are implemented as checkboxes, and Wikipedia interactively updates maps:
 * A checkbox for showing borders of Canada
 * A checkbox for showing main cities
 * A checkbox for showing main rivers
 * A checkbox for showing main roads
 * A checkbox for showing sea teritories
 * A checkbox for showing UNESCO sightseeings
 * A checkbox for showing main mountains
 * and many other checkboxes interact with OpenStreetMap and each time a new map is rendered from OpenStreetMap to the user. After checking, an attribute is added to the map of that Infobox or if unchecked it will be removed from that Infobox map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Can I ask how any of that is going to be visible or useful in an map a couple hundred pixels across in an infobox? You seem to be continually missing the point that this is about the usefulness of these maps in an infobox where the map is necessarily small and cannot include much data. Not its usefulness as an external link or other page. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 21:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hidden version of maps in infoboxes
I suppose this type of map: that is rendered as:

which yields:

I really think that existance of this map, even in hidden state is very helpful. Do you agree?


 * I don't see that as being useful at all, especially in the very small manner in which is it inside an infobox. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 12:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

"border=no"
I was wrong to insist (apologies to User:Moxy). I would like to discuss this (very small) problem here; in the See also paragraph, the portal is without borders, yet this is the only page in the whole of Wikipedia that has this function. Wouldn't it be better to homologate this page to all the others as well? JackkBrown (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Why? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No guesswork pls .....It does match our other top level articles.... Culture of Canada, History of Canada, Military history of Canada, Wildlife of Canada, Geography of Canada, Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 16:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * all right! It actually makes sense, because the borders of the Canadian flag are white (the flag represents the image of the maple leaf, but without other details). JackkBrown (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 February 2024
Canada should be spelled Kanada just like Lake Shkoder is titled Lake Skadar in Wikipedia. It's only fair that a foreign toponym be used to describe the country of Canada just like a foreign toponym is used to describe a Lake (among other things), in Albania. Thank you. 142.114.118.180 (talk) 03:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * ❌ If you are unhappy about a term used for another location, suggest you address that at that talk page rather than here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Canada-Danish realm land border
I think it would be interesting to mention (in the opening paragraph) the land border with Greenland (Danish Realm) following the resolution of the dispute over sovereignty of Hans Island. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Think that would be undue as it is not as significant as the US border. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * While it is interesting, it is of very little significance to the topic. TFD (talk) 06:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems to me land borders are land borders irrespective of length. They constitute geopolitical realities and worth being mentionned. In this case, it's a new geopolitical reality coupled with the resolution of a longstanding territorial dispute, albeit a relatively minor and peaceful one. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 10:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The opening paragraph is supposed to mention five or ten of the most important facts about Canada. That is shares a land border with Greenland is not one of them, certainly not in the literature about Canada. TFD (talk) 13:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The land border that Nunavut shares with the Northwest Territores and the southern provinces is more significant than the land border we share with Denmark. It's on an island that most Nunavummiut are never going to see despite it being part of Nunavut. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I hope you are aware that the land borders that Nunavut shares with the Northwest Territories and southern provinces are not international borders, regardless of length. Moreover, the border on Hans Island is formally not Nunavut's border, but Canada's border. I was simply making the point that following the resolution of the Hans Island dispute Canada gained an additional international land border. That said, it seems that there in no agreement. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Definitely not worth putting in the lead. It’s really only a minor point. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oddly enough I was aware of that. However, based on the way the provinces act sometimes it's easy to believe that they think the NWT and Nunavut are foreign parts. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would agree with that. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 19:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Canada's complex relationship with the USA
KlayCax@undefined you have removed the word "complex " inrelation to relations between Canada and the United States a few times now without trying to undersdtand why its used,. This is a term that you will find used throughout history about this topic by academics and the media alike. Your reasoning is it needs more context...however its all in the article...in fact Canada's relationship with the USA is the most covered topic of foreign relations in the article as a whole.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2024
After Canada, add officially the Dominion of Canada, as is there for all other countries 142.189.71.71 (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: “Dominion of Canada” not the name; please see Name of Canada. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2024
Update the Canada's population rank from 37th to 36th. This is due to Ukraine's population falling from 36th to 39th, according to the list of countries and dependencies by population. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 03:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jamedeus (talk) 03:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 March 2024
I want to edit Canada to update the countries it borders because it included Denmark and also including new territories (Hans Island) end of the Whiskey War 2001:4455:55E:B500:619E:579:2508:5C19 (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Humanitarian crisis of family reunification in Quebec
Could other editors please have a look at a new article, Humanitarian crisis of family reunification in Quebec. The article's creator has made several lengthy edits to Canadian articles which would benefit from review by editors familiar with Quebec. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 March 2024
Canada to Kanada 2.109.102.68 (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This requires a consensus that frankly I don't think has a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Good day— RetroCosmos  talk 22:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Area of Canada
Do the "total area" and the "water" area include Hudson Bay? And do they include parts of the three oceans bounding Canada? If the latter are included how far from land do they extend? Michael Hardy (talk) 00:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Freshwater calculations only. That said we're one of the weirdos where our territorial claims are larger than our economic zone... Exclusive economic zone of Canada. Moxy 🍁 01:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2024
Update population from 40,528,396 (2023 Q4 estimate) to 40,769,890 (2024 Q1 estimate). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 12:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The reliable source is already in the article/infobox, it's the same source that's currently being used. No change of sources is being asked, just an update to reflect the source. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 15:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ ..😀 Moxy 🍁 17:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please note the archive for the StatsCan source updated when we update the population; otherwise, it points to a version with the wrong population listed. Thanks. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 March 2024
Xiedingjian (talk) 23:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC) Based the information from Statistic Canada on March 30 2024, the population of Canada is 41,013,253. Webpage :   Population of Canada (real-time model)https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005-eng.htm
 * We use quarterly statistics...https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901.. Thus we don't have to update it on a daily basis. Moxy 🍁 00:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2024
It seems to me that the arrow for the population estimate should be increase neutral and a positive increase (green) for the census population. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 11:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The arrow for the census population should be changed from neutral (grey) to positive (green). The population has increased, confirmed by the change from the 2016 census to the 2021 census. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * All country articles use grey arrows for the infobox population tables, whether there has been an increase or decrease in population B3251 (talk) 02:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes... that makes sense, as a population increase is not necessarily a positive change in all contexts. —Joeyconnick (talk) 17:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 April 2024 (GINI update)
The GINI index value is outdated.

Change GINI index value from 30.3 to 29.2

OR

Change GINI index value from 30.3 to 28.8

---??????? Do not know which source should be used but the numbers are still lower than the 2018 one. IamTiabeanie (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure either, but the current number is based on the OECD source so that may be a good choice, for lack of better alternative. ASUKITE  17:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ ASUKITE  17:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)