Talk:Canada Steamship Lines

Thunder Bay
Why is Thunder Bay not mentioned in this article? Thunder Bay was a major part of CSL for over 100 years! Port Arthur Shipbuilding a major component of CSL! Oh, yes, Collingwood is mentioned --

-- but what about Thunder Bay ?!?

It angers me that, again and again and again, Northern Ontario is ignored.

Aren't we supposed to have a Canadian woman who is on the BoD of Wikipedia? Isn't she supposed to be completely cognizant of all Canadian dimensions of all Wikipedia articles?

Oh wait!! I just remembered ........ she is a SOUTHERN ONTARIOAN!! A TORONTONIAN!! She is completely focused on the Southern Ontario / Southern Quebec urban corridor!! Only 2.1% of Canada's land mass yet she focuses nearly 100% of her energies on that tiny, teeny region, it seems !!

I am becoming really rather annoyed at how Wikipedia allows Southern Ontario interests to completely gerrymander all Wiki articles about Canada towards Southern Ontarioo interests. --Atikokan (talk) 04:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Canada Steamship Lines/Growth and Disaster on the Great Lakes
There appears to be an error in the section headed "Growth and Disaster on the Great Lakes", concerning the heritage of the vessels Hamonic, Huronic, and Noronic. If possible, the matter should be checked by someone more knowledgeable than I. In the named section, those vessels are described as being former Niagara Navigation Company vessels, but I suspect they were former Northern Navigation Company vessels. In a photo of the Huronic I've seen in the book "Wrecks and Rescues of the Great Lakes" {publisher now unknown), depicting the Huronic aground on a rock in the upper lakes, there can be read signage near the vessel's bow, in text containing the vessel's name and the subscript "Northern Navigation Division."--Brucerams (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Links to the vessels
I added links to the individual vessels, and started an article about one of them. 

Another contributor reverted those efforts, with the edit summary "Undid revision 562503729 by Geo Swan (talk) undone - links do not exist". First, could everyone please refrain from explaining controversial or complicated edits in their edit summaries -- it is a trigger to edit warring. Second, the last time I looked we didn't eliminate red-links on sight. Rather, last time I looked we eliminated red-links if we were unlikely to ever have an article with that name. All these vessels cost tens of millions of dollars, have significant histories, covered by reliable sources -- so they are not, in my opinion, candidates for trimming.

So I restored them. Geo Swan (talk) 18:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing controversial about this. You entered a link that doesn't exist. Are you planning on creating an entry titled "Baie St. Paul, launched in 1962"? If so, GREAT. Change this to a link then. Actually the new entry should be "Baie St. Paul (ship, 1962)" to match the new one..

Similar for the other ship names. Redlinks are not a good thing. People wonder if the entry was deleted, if there is a spelling mistake, or some other problem. Cpfan776 (talk) 02:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Power Corporation
I don't know why everybody online always insists on linking PAUL DESMARAIS to control of Power Corporation in the years before he took control. This news item, by CTV, upon the death of Desmarais, Sr., says DESMARAIS took control of Power Corporation in 1968:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/former-power-corp-chief-paul-desmarais-sr-dead-at-86-1.1490141

Yet the "Power Corporation" segment of this CSL page says or implies that he took control in 1963. What, in fact, is the evidence that PAUL DESMARAIS, Sr., even had anything remotely to do with Power Corporation in 1963? I think that Peter Nesbitt Thomson was in control of Power Corporation in the early 1960s. What is needed is [a] a precise date for when DESMARAIS in fact began to be involved AT ALL with Power Corporation; and [b] a precise date for when DESMARAIS took over control of the different PARTS of Power Corporation, i.e., GESCA (the newspapers) is one thing; CSL is another; and there are other parts of Power Corporation. DESMARAIS Sr. did not take over major or full control until approx. 1970, as I recall.

I would like to see a TIMELINE developed, reflecting the gradual assumption of control of POWER CORPORATION by DESMARAIS Sr., as opposed to lumping his ownership and control by default all together from the early 1960s.

There are very important historical events linked to Quebec and Canada which come out of Power Corporation. We have a number of Prime Ministers of Canada, and politicians in the provincial governments linked to DESMARAIS Sr., and (perhaps separately) to POWER CORPORATION.

It's important to tidy up the details in order to see for example if PETER NESBITT THOMSON or ARTHUR NESBITT, etc., had minor or major shares in any part of Power Corporation at different eras. We cannot see who is really controlling our various politicians at various times without a timeline of accurate ownership in Power Corporation. Probably need copies of Annual Reports out of business libraries to get these details down accurately.

One reason the TIMELINE is important is because CLAUDE FRENETTE, a one-time President of the LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA, was a Power Corporation employee; and people from the federal Cabinet of Canada frequently met -- in fact met weekly and intensively at some points -- on the CSL premises of POWER CORPORATION in downtown Montreal. They met there in 1967, for example; but DESMARAIS did not take his controlling share of Power Corporation until 1968; so under whose personal influence in 1967 were the Liberals convening on the premises of CSL as then owned by Power Corporation? Was Peter Nesbitt Thomson the personal influence that brought in the Liberals, or somebody else before him? Did DESMARAIS "inherit" this influence over the Liberals by default when he took majority control in 1968, and precisely what parts of Power Corporation did he take control over? I am trying to see WHO owns & operates the Liberals out of Power Corporation at what dates, because I think the strong Liberal connection may have preceded DESMARAIS.

Thank you for any contributions to help clear up this proposed TIMELINE of OWNERSHIP, which perhaps should be started at a main Wikipedia page for POWER CORPORATION, and then referred to in all other Wikipedia pages concerning subsidiaries such as CSL, Gesca, etc., etc. 216.246.226.93 (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Power Corp CEO Maurice Strong
Here, for example, is a CBC article, but no date:

www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2004/leadersparties/leaders/prof_martin.html

It says:

" He started with an influential contact indeed – one of many in the years to come. Martin called on Maurice Strong, CEO of the Power Corporation and close associate of his father. He suggested he was thinking of working in the Third World, according to his biographer.

"And Maurice Strong said, 'Why would the Third World want a freshly minted lawyer from Ontario? Why don't you have some experience with the real world? Come and work for me.' "Everyone should have such a break," says Gray.

Martin rose quickly through the Power Corp hierarchy. He became a corporate trouble-shooter, downsizing a company here, disposing of one there. And he was a natural. At the age of just 35, he was appointed president of Canada Steamship Lines. "

That links future prime minister of Canada, Paul Martin Junior, directly to Power Corporation when Maurice Strong is CEO, but what's the year? And is the fabled DESMARAIS Sr. involved in Power Corporation at the time Strong is CEO, and Paul Martin Junior comes aboard?

This is very strong political control over Canada, and the details really should be ironed out. Including the detail that Paul Martin Senior was ALSO linked closely to Maurice Strong who was CEO of Power Corp.

UPDATE: Here's an item in the "Canadian Encyclopedia" online which give a date of 1966:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/en/article/paul-edgar-philippe-martin/

"Paul Edgar Philippe Martin

In 1966, Martin moved his new family to Montréal, where he joined POWER CORPORATION OF CANADA as executive assistant to mentor and president Maurice STRONG (and later, Paul DESMARAIS)."

So that says two things: Martin joined Power Corp in 1966; and Maurice Strong was CEO at the time; Paul DESMARAIS came "later". It raises questions, who put Strong in as CEO? And was DESMARAIS involved in any capacity at that same point?

(I don't know how to sign this thing, I can't find any way to do that. SHOULD BE A BUTTON I could click that would add my IP!)

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