Talk:Canadian Americans/Archives/2015

French
Personally I'd think French Canadian-Americains can actually be considered a separate group due to a different immigration/assimilation history in the US. Quebec diaspora and Little Canadas deals with this a bit.--T. Anthony 13:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked but I'd hope the Acadian-Cajun connection is covered, and also those of Metis and Northwest Fur Company employees who settled "south of the line" (i.e. not many but I do know some, i.e. whose families came to where is now Seattle and Portland before the Oregon Treaty of 1846...this is also on my mind because I've been in an Acadian community in Nova Scotia which was settled by returnees from Louisiana in 1790 and the CAjun connection remains...even in some families here since, i.e. to Cajuns, who are technically "Canadian Americans" also.Skookum1 (talk) 04:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Term
Can anyone actually provide evidence for the use of this term outside of Wikipedia? Granted I have not read the book mentioned, but for all of my efforts I have been unable to find a single reference on the internet outside of Wikipedia which uses the term Canadian-American in the context of describing a person. The one external link is completely unrelated to the concept of someone being labeled "Canadian-American", and none of the article is referenced. Time to tag. JimboMaloi 07:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'm a Canadian citizen.  I "moved to" the US, but did not obtain citizenship.  I do qualify (lived here 17 years, permanent resident for 10+ years), but don't really need it.  I do not consider myself "Canadian-American".  If I ever got my US citizenship, then perhaps that term would apply.  In my current status, I am simply "Canadian".  I challenge anyone to find a significant number of Canadians who think otherwise.  First line of this article should be changed to read "A Canadian American is someone who was born or grew up in Canada then moved to the United States and became a US citizen."  Further, if I was American, I would take exception to anyone not a US citizen calling themselves "American".  (The idea that all people from North + South America are "American" notwithstanding.) Titaniumlegs (talk) 07:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Dual citizenship of Canadian Americans
Please see the Wayne Gretzky article. Wayne is a citizen of both America and Canada. He has lived in America for the last 20 years with his American family. However there are several like minded canadians who refuse to acknowledge his Canadian American status in the intro. They have an admin (Wknight94)that likes to ban people with different opinions. Can anybody help with this situation? Lex393384
 * I reviewed the discussion on that page and there seems to be a fairly convincing consensus that Gretzky is Canadian. This is also the mainstream, off-Wiki, consensus.
 * I also saw no evidence of anyone being banned for holding a different opinion. You should be careful, as an accusation like that could be considered a personal attack. If you have a problem with an admin's conduct, there are proper channels through which to raise them. - Eron Talk 17:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Wknight94 banned George W. Gretzky for posting on the wayne gretzky discussion board. He also reverted the discussion to prior form. Wayne Gretzky became a US citizen 20 years ago, I think this would make him a Canadian American. George W. Gretzky was banned for sockpuppetry, however George W. G. has been forced to create new accounts to have his/her voice heard after being banned. Similarily after banning user Moosehead007, this was the message sent to him, "Suck mah nuts bitches." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.43.32.85 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 12 January 2007


 * User:George W. Gretzky was banned as a sockpuppet, not for posting. Users who create new accounts to continue doing something that they have been banned for once are usually banned again. As to the "Suck" post, check the page history - that comment was left by an IP vandal, not by User:Wknight94. - Eron Talk 21:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

POV Dispute
I'm having trouble swallowing the paragraph: "'Canadian-Americans, as a group, desire to and do integrate and assimilate into American culture and society to a great extent; this is a result of the great similarities between Americans and Canadians culturally. It is the resultant visceral feeling among Canadian-Americans that have given rise to the self-identity of the group. Of course, as some French Canadians number among those whose self-identity in the United States is Canadian-American, it should be noted that in Canadian French, the term for Canadian-American translates to 'Canado-Américaine'.'" ink_13 19:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * same here Basser g 09:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too. I know a lot of Canadian-American's (and I'm one), and I don't know anyone who would say that we "desire to ... integrate and assimilate".  It's a ridiculous over-generalization.

Fair use rationale for Image:Star Spangled Canadians Simpson pbcoverimg.jpg
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This article is pure hearsay, the information seems to come out of thin air. Where is the proper citations? Is someone just writing this as a joke? Thier arguments are weak at best, this seems to be written for seventh grade assignment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.87.253.38 (talk) 15:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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Canadian-American = Pleonasm
Isn't Canada in America anyway? Just like Mexico, Brazil and Argentina? Pablo (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's right. 'America' is a continent, not a country. If you are Canadian (or Mexican or Brazilean ...) then you are automatically American. 46.253.36.10 (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

" the "most American" a Canadian-American could ever be, by definition, is one holding the legal status of being a naturalized U.S. citizen."

This is incorrect. Let's posit an American citizen moves to Canada, gains permanent resident status, and produces a daughter in Toronto. This child is a naturally born Canadian citizen due to her place of birth. The American parent has this daughter registered as an American born abroad. Thus the girl has dual citizenship. She is raised in Canada and eventually moves to the US for economic reasons as an adult. Wouldn't she be a "Canadian-American"? Wouldn't she also be a natural born US citizen? My understanding of the citizenship laws of both countries is that this is perfectly possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.138.204 (talk) 08:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

In English, "American" generally means of or from the United States. I recognize that this is not the case in some other languages, but this is English Wikipedia. I doubt many, if any, Canadians living in Canada would consider themselves "Americans." 130.64.158.231 (talk) 23:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with the above use "In English". A better term would be in "the provincial minds of many in the USofA." If America means only the USofA then North America is Alaska and South America is Florida. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.68.20 (talk) 20:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, but if they had US citizenship, even origins, the phrase "American Canadian" might be apt; both my parents had duality until opting for (or being forced to get) Canadian-only citizenship. Good thing, I guess, we would have been draft-eligible if we'd inherited it...anyway, I'd venture (speaking as a Canadian with American roots) that in the type of situations described by ip24.83.183.204 the person in question would consider themselves both; if in Canada with the "Canadian" second in the formation, and to e without the hyphen "feels" better.  Such people exist aplenty, and there's also lots of Canadian citizens who had been Americans and/or American citizens and are naturalized Canadians; about themselves they'd most likely say "I'm a Canadian now, but I was raised in Ohio/Maui/Schenectady etc.". Which word order a person prefers is probably statistically related to which side of the border they were raised on, never mind the citizeznship qualifications; to which do they identify.  To me a Canadian American (sans hyphen) would be an American with Canadian origins (Canadian ethnic/birth/inheritance origin, rather than "I had a Canadian passport for a few years"), or someone with duality who's living down there.  Speaking of being the offspring of American Canadians, I'd also like to say that the hyphen just doesn't work; I'm an "unhyphenated Canadian" despite having American and six or seven other flavours in teh family....fine to do the sort thing with descriptive doublets, but can the hyphen, I hate it.Skookum1 (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Meant to add that American is alost an ethnicity in Canada, especially historically in some areas, such as BC an dthe Yukon, often elsewhere in the West; all kinds of things from resource worker or business in-migrants to the draft dodgers, teachers, and whatever else; American roots are extremely common in BC and Aericans or people of American origin have distinguished themselves in BC's history; and that's not including Brits or iperiuals like Amor de Cosmos who was far ore Californian in ways and doings than he was a Maritimer, or Ma Murray and any number of celebrated miners and investors, as well as of course the prevalent American persence in the Kootenays; Toronto also I believe has a lot of American expats now, but BC has been this way since the place was founded. But people like Ma Murray and others might well drop all American identity (if not culture or accent; Ma was too outspoken for a lot of people, and she never lost her Kansas farmgirl drawl).  I was actually gonna do a list b ut not enough articles are out there yet ot make it worth the bother....i.e. of notable Americans in BC's history/society/economy; important non-citizens like Kyle Washington or Mr. Hill of the Northern Pacific  and so-and-so in the film or forestry biz, never naturalized Canadians.  And I dcon't ean Goldie and Kurt or David Duchovny, but "major players".  Whatever; there's certainly a need for a term, or terms, in either direction with the border; "Dual Canadian-American" would specify those with dual citizenship; it's a phrase I've heard, though I don't know if it's documentable.Skookum1 (talk) 00:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

In my view as a Canadian, all Canadians are Americans. Citizens of that country generally located to our south are also Americans, but specifically they are US Americans. I find this whole article on Canadian-Americans bizarre, and not just a little offensive. 24.57.239.43 (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

A citizen of the U.S.A is an American i.e. someone living on the continent of North America but so is a Canadian.He does not become more American by moving south (or west),he already is an American.Does someone moving from Miami to Montreal become an American-Canadian?As opposed to what ,a Canadian-Canadian.In Spanish a U.S. citizen is called a estadounidense,perhaps we should coin a word such as this in English,but maybe not so unwieldly.Paddycomeback (talk) 01:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it right that Canadian American is a shorter Version of Canadian US-American ? The article seems to be a special view from US-American people to Canada. friendly greetings from Germany, Soenke Rahn --Soenke Rahn (talk) 00:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Aboriginal Canadian Americans
Just happened to see this, so here's a quick story. A guy I knew, all too well actually, was Cherokee-Irish/Modoc-Irish (Kintpuash's great grandson in fact - he pronounced the name "Kintapush" I remember, sort of an anglicization I guess). When asked what his "nationality" was, in the way we used to use that term to mean background, where you were from ('cause most people or their folks usually were), he said "North American" r "Native North American"; he was from Quesnel BC as much as he was from Redding CA, nt sure if he had Canadian status 'cause that implies band membership and I don't think he had any Canadian-side, but he could live on either side of the border no matter what, er, he did. Mind you by the time I knew him he also had a diplomatic passport as a bodyguard for a prince. No kidding, and I wish there were something there that were citable ;-) and/or notable...can't even really say which country. I'll have to spin him into a novel or a script. "(Native) North American" as in "Asian", "European", African, "(Native) South American".  Anyway X. weas a Canadian-American, in both directions (raised in Q-burg) and that's what he used.  But he sorta made it up, 'tis true,...would be really hard to research/cite, if it's out there; instances of aboriginal people using it, that is........Skookum1 (talk) 06:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Canadians in America (from the American-Canadian article)

 * This was found on the American-Canadian article on the number of Canadians residing in America is alot higher than Americans in Canada. Back in 2006, about 32,000 Canadians came to America, compared to 10,600 Americans going to Canada, the ratio of Canadians coming to America is usually 3 times that of American expatriates heading north to Canada. As the edit pointed out, this is a fact originated in the 2001 Canadian census and was indicated on the Sep. 2001 National Geographic article on immigration in the US (a world map shown the national origin of immigrants coming to the USA):

The number of Americans migrating annually into Canada is 3.5 times smaller than vice versa, the larger number of Canadians living in the U.S. are temporary residents known as "snowbirds" may have residences in the Southern half of the U.S. (i.e. Florida, the Carolinas, Southern Texas, Southern California and Arizona) during the winter months.

I corrected the part on "8 times" to the actual "3 and a half times" since that wasn't properly verified, unless the edit refers to the number of temporary residents who come to stay in the U.S. temporarily and return to Canada where they continue to hold national citizenship as Canadians. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 07:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Need a list of notable Canadian-Americans
There are many of such types of people, many actors/actresses, notable celebrities, etc. We should create a list (if none of such exists), or link this article to it (if such list exists here). 75.154.176.12 (talk) 21:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nearly two years later, and this is the list???
 * What of of the Canadians (or Canadian-Americans, a term I take to refer to Canadian-born people who obtain US citizenship) such as the prople we all know from US television, such as Monte Hall, Martin Short, Eugene Levy, William Shatner, Lorne Greene, (and, for that matter, wasn't Robert Goulet born in Massachusetts)?
 * Alvin P. Bluthman
 * apbluthman@aol.com   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.150.74 (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently no one has added them and cited a reliable source yet. Feel free to chip in on that, Alvin. (As for what definition of Canadian-American is being used, the first sentence of the article sums it up nicely.) - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * apbluthman@aol.com   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.150.74 (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently no one has added them and cited a reliable source yet. Feel free to chip in on that, Alvin. (As for what definition of Canadian-American is being used, the first sentence of the article sums it up nicely.) - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed name change

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Peter Karlsen (talk) 00:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Canadian American → Canadian–American — unless i'm terribly mistaken, isn't it standard english to hyphenate dual citizenships? --emerson7 13:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Oppose The article defines Canadian American as an American of Canadian descent. Similar articles, e.g., Italian American, Irish American do not hyphenate. TFD (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hyphenate if the term is used as an adjective (compound modifier) but the title of the article is a standalone noun so none is needed. (see WP:HYPHEN). An en-dash (–), which the proposal calls for, shows disjunction and should not be used in this case at all (see WP:ENDASH).  Oppose move.  —   AjaxSmack   05:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose on the rationale given by proponent; because this article is not just about those with dual citizenships, it is about Americans of Canadian origin, i.e. naturalized Americans or those born American but of Canadian ancestry. US-Canadian duality, by the way, is relatively hard to get.  Also if it was a hyphenated form you're meaning, and as AjaxSmack has observed, the endash isn't right anyway.Skookum1 (talk) 15:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * comment i am neither a proponent nor opponent of the move per se. but if any of the above is correct and applies, then the text and the usage of the term in the article should agree with the article's title. --emerson7 15:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the noun form is correctly unhyphenated. Powers T 23:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Canadian American names
I would like Moxy (talk) to stop removing the names of important Canadian Americans. I don't approve of one wikipedian going against the efforts and contributions of many wikipedians. There has to be a discussion and not constant removing of these names by this individual.--Captain Thor (talk) 12:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed the original research as per Verifiability,  No original research ..this was a made up list of people...Its all guess work and has no place here. Just because they work in the USA does not make the citizens ...Wayne Gretzky - as per his words is not an American... how many others on the list are not American... pls see WP:SYNTH...Moxy (talk) 15:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * All the names are verifiable. You just click on the name and check.  If not, like Wayne Gretzky, just remove him.--Varing (talk) 00:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that their Wikipedia article is the references? Not how it works - Wikipedia is not a source. Half of the names dont even mention this on there page. Pls see WP:BURDEN before adding anything back. YOU NEED TO PROVE IT - not just think it Moxy (talk) 00:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Chris Irvine
He is in the wrong section as he is New York born hence didnt obtain American citizenship he was born with it he should be in the canadian dissent section QueenAlexandria (QueenAlexandria talk) 12:33, 27 Nov 2012 (UTC)

Population
According to the French Canadian American article, " About 8 million U.S. residents are of this ancestry." Then this article states "According to U.S. Census estimates the number of Americans of Canadian ancestry was around 640,000 in 2000". Sigh. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 03:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd expected that's because the US census for some reason counts "French Canadian Americans" separately from other Canadians; 640,000 seems awfully low even without considering the massif outflux from Quebec to New England and beyond in times past (whether Acadian-Canadian ancestry was even reckoned in is a further issue, i.e. Cajuns). Is there a cite on that 8 million figure? I'd say it was correct, but given the massive amount of crossborder mutual migration/intermarriage in the 19th and 20th Century, 640k doesn't seem right; maybe it's how they're counted, and those who are naturalized Canadians who might otherwise be counted as German or Norwegian or Chinese or whatever; in times past, in Western Canada, "Canadian" meant only people from Ontario and Quebec (Upper and Lower Canada) and was not used for Maritimers, which is another consideration.Skookum1 (talk) 13:34, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Vague sentence
The beginning of the third paragraph says "This cultural "invisibility" within the larger U.S. population is seen as creating stronger affinity amongst Canadians living in the U.S. than might otherwise exist."

What is that supposed to mean? Is it saying that because Anglophone Canadian culture is similar to US culture Canadian Anglophones in the US stick together? Or is it saying that it is because the "Little Canadas" disappeared? I don't get it. 155.101.100.187 (talk) 20:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)