Talk:Canadian Red Ensign

Least popular in Quebec
MUCH better. Good work.A2Kafir 13:54, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Minor point: in this sentence: "Ironically, it is perhaps least popular in Quebec not because of any nostalgia for the red ensign but because it has become a symbol of Canadian federalism and is thus rejected by Quebec nationalists who fly the fleur-de-lis based flag of Quebec." Is the first "it" referring to the Maple Leaf flag? It seems to. Might rework a bit to make that clear.A2Kafir 13:57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

See Talk:Red Ensign
For discussion about whether information about far-right and neo-Nazi groups and the Canadian Red Ensign should be included or excluded, see Talk:Red Ensign. Samaritan 15:31, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Confusable?
This is not a word. I've removed it and rewritten the line it appeared in.

Ttenchantr (talk) 20:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for moving "it" off the front page
Hello,

Thank you very much for moving the "said Facist links" off the front page of Wikipedia's Red Ensign area. I am very happy that "it" is now not the first thing you see.

Additional Information Page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Red_Ensign


 * Most supporters of the Canadian Red Ensign, however, reject attempts by white supremacists to co-opt the symbol and decry attempts to associate the Canadian Red Ensign with racist views.

Thank you so much for saying that very clearly. I can not thank you, and Wikipedia enough. The page which you have added, in my opinion, is excellent. It presents all the facts, within their context, in a fair balanced, and informative fashion. In my opinion I feel that you have done a great service to the history of the Red Ensign, and Wikipedia. Thank you again for this kind, fair, balanced, and very professional encyclopedia entry.

Thank you very much indeed.

Sincerely,

ArmChairVexillologistDonArmchairVexillologistDon 17:20, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Suggestion
As an American, I believe there should be a holiday in Canada that commemorates the Red Ensign. While I believe the current flag is great and truly Canadian, but I think the Canadian Red Ensign is a very beautiful flag. Do you agree? I just don't understand why some people in Canada tried so hard to forget that flag. It's time for Canadians in Canada to give respect to their former flag.

Hello,

I completely agree with you. In English-Canada their should be holiday called Red Ensign Day. The "old Red Ensign" should be honoured. The Red (and Blue Ensign) is the basis of All UK Commonwealth Flags. As well, the War of Independence (1775-1783 AD) began,the 13 Colonies (that broke away from the 19 Colonies) used it has the (UNOFFICAL) "First American Flag" in the Grand Union Flag (1775-1777 AD).

http://flagspot.net/images/u/us-gu.gif

http://flagspot.net/flags/us-gu.html

http://flagspot.net/flags/us^rv.html

19 Colonies (1763-1775 AD)

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/british_colonies_1763-76.jpg

4 Northern Loyalist Colonies (became British-Canada)

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(Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Quebec, Newfoundland)

13 Colonies that won Independence (formed the United States of America)

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(later OFFICAL Flags of 1777 AD)

"13 Star: Staggered"

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"13 Star: Circular"

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2 Southern Loyalist Colonies (re-united with USA (1800-1819 AD))

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(West Florida, East Florida)

ArmchairVexillologistDonArmchairVexillologistDon 20:41, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

FAO SimonP
SimonP, why did you revert the edit of 209.153.195.50?

FAO HistoryBA
Firstly, I didn't change it to a "British spelling". I was simply changing it back to the original spelling in the article, please don't blatantly lie.

Secondly, I was about to instinctively change the "affiliated to Paul Fromm" to "affiliated with Paul Fromm" as you did, but I consulted a dictionary first. Apparently, both "with" and "to" are acceptable, although dictionaries today are not really authorities on correct writing. I decided to defer to the original writer's judgement as I thought it might be significant. I thought maybe the original writer (AndyL) was implying that rather than being affiliated with Paul Fromm on an equal and level footing, they were affiliated to him, in that they defended and supported him, and looked up to him as the "head guy" (the Supreme Supremacist, if you will) for leadership. Of course, only AndyL knows of his intentions, and unless and until he comments, I suppose we can't be sure.

Private usage in Ontario/racist?
I am American, but with Canadian roots on my father's side, and I go to Ontario quite a bit. I've seen the Canadian Red Ensign flown quite a bit by private individuals, as well as the former RN/RCN White Ensign and RCAF Ensign (I would assume the latter two are flown mostly by veterans of the pre-unified RCN and RCAF). I also see the Union Jack now and then. This is interesting as the provincial flag of Ontario (which I also see not infrequently flown by itself, without the Canadian Flag, by private individuals) is the Red Ensign modified with the Ontario coat of arms replacing the Canadian coat of arms. I've seen it as recently as the late summer of 2005 before boarding the ferry at Sombra, Ont. to go back to the US. A residence near the border station was flying it.

It's incomprehensible to me that the Red Ensign would be associated with racism in the way that the Confederate battle flag is here in the US. Many identify the Confederate flag with slavery. My non-Canadian guess would be that the worst the Red Ensign could be associated with would be "British colonialism" by Quebecois...but the Red Ensign's coat of arms include three fleurs-de-lys to represent Canada's French heritage, so I don't get it.--MarshallStack 20:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

This seems pretty biased "It is of note that the ensign is used primarily by Canadian patriots and those who believe in the Canadian, Judeo-Christian values. However, they are being portrayed as 'fascists', 'racists', and 'islamophobic'." Because they are TimeEngineer (talk) 01:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Blue Ensign usage?
I find the Canadian Blue Ensign to be a very attractive flag. I know that pre-1965 it was used as a Jack by RCN vessels and flown by Canadian merchant vessels, but was it ever under serious consideration as an "official" national flag? I know this is a moot point since Canada has had the Maple Leaf as its flag for 40 years now but I'm just thinking "what if", especially since this would have put Canada in line with other independent Commonwealth countries like Australia and New Zealand in terms of red/blue ensign usage.--MarshallStack 02:01, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Use of vexilogical terms to describe flags...
I think it is stupid. The average Wikipedia reader has no knowledge of these terms. Jargon and profession-specific terms should be used as sparingly as possible. Remember who your readers are! They arent vexiologists!

What's wrong with using the proper terms, especially here at Wikipedia, where you can click on any term you don't understand and get an instant defintion?

Ttenchantr (talk) 20:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

supporters reject white supremacists
I deleted the sentence "Most supporters of the Canadian Red Ensign, however, reject attempts by white supremacists to co-opt the symbol and decry attempts to associate the Canadian Red Ensign with racist views." I suspect that most people don't actually know that Frumm and others White supremacists actually are trying to appropriate the Red Ensign in this way. If they did, they'd surely reject it. But that doesn't mean it's worth noting here. Bucketsofg✐
 * Yes, that's probly true. I've flown the Red Ensign (of Ontario) on occasion, but Wikipedia is the only place I've ever heard of anyone equating it with racist groups. WilyD 13:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm a Jew, and I fly the Canadian Red Ensign. On top of that I haven't seen it used in a racist/bigoted way by anyone else. So I would say its use as a racist symbol is so limited it isn't worth noting. The only time I've seen it used outside of it's traditional "we value our British roots" use is during war rallies, where it's used by pro-war groups to counter ant-war groups' "excessive" use of the Maple Leaf flag.IC79 (talk) 13:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I can say that I've personally seen the Red Ensign carried and worn as patches by white-supremacists at the Oct. 2006 "March for Freedom" in Caledonia Ontario. I thought I had a picture of this, but I can't find it... Not that it matters with out a proper cite, as it would constitute original research. Any hoo, it may be worth looking into some more. If I find anything, I'll post it to the talk page before adding it to the article itself. (btw, I was rooting for the other side during that demonstration...) Mike McGregor (Can) (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I fond a pic here on Wikipedia that illustrates this in the Jason Ouwendyk article. Mike McGregor (Can) (talk) 04:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect image
I believe that the third image on the right side of the page (labeled "Flag used during 1921–1957") is incorrect. The Irish harp in that shield does NOT have a woman's bust, even though the text says that it should. It looks like someone took the 1957-65 flag and Photoshopped the leaves on the coat of arms from red to green.

The image of a flag on a pole about halfway down the page labeled "1921 ensign in Northern Ontario" DOES have the version of the shield described in the text.

I'm an American, and I'm not sure where to go to get a correct version, but thought I'd bring it to the community's attention.

Jelloice (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, I'll do a little research and see what I can find.  Fry1989  eh?   23:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Alrighty, here's what I've been able to find. The coat of arms of Canada initially did have the bare-breasted harp and green leaves, this was changed in 1957. The red ensign changed along with it, so you are right the one from 1921-1957 should have that harp. I'll make the change to the files shortly.  Fry1989  eh?   23:39, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Vimy Ridge flag 140 years old?
The assertion that the Vimy Ridge flag was made prior to 1873 seems dubious to me. The four-province shield was the only official design until it was replaced by the new coat of arms in 1921 or 1924. The multi-province shields were unofficial, albeit popular, variants, and surely some manufacturers were aware of this and continued to make official Canadian Red Ensigns, especially ones making ensigns for use at sea, where Admiralty regulations were strictly applied. Indefatigable (talk) 15:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Flag preview
The image of the Red Ensign in the infobox on the right is currently not loading for me, instead showing a lengthy link to said image. Is anyone else having this problem? Surely the flag itself ought to manifest on the top of the page as normal UnknownBrick22 (talk) 19:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * It's loading fine for me, but it's several hours later too. Have you tried to view it on a different device? - BilCat (talk) 07:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The Shield is too pointed and unfortently does not have a wikicommons equivalent, I suggest replacing the image with this flag
I made this image correcting for the sheild proportions seen the current image based on the shield that is on the government of Canada's website. Bubblesorg (talk) 16:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)