Talk:Canal Hotel bombing

Why the UN?
Since the UN was in opposition to the American invasion of Iraq, it is not clear whether this attack on the UN should be seen as an anti-American or pro-American action.
 * What an idiotic comment. I am speechless. Cema 21:16, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * It was anti-life. Isn't that enough? Lee M 21:30, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The problem with that remark is that there is no reason to assume that it was either an anti-American or a pro-American act. It could be simply anti-UN. It could be broadly anti-Western. Or something I haven't thought of. Inasmuch as we're writing an encyclopedia, we don't need to include this sort of speculation: we can wait until something is known. Vicki Rosenzweig 22:10, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

fair enough


 * See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3164675.stm --Jiang

Move?
Move to Canal Hotel bombing? --Jiang 21:34, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it be called UN Iraqi HQ bombing or something similar, after all the UN was the target not the hotel. --Imran 22:02, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * I agree. Either UN Iraqi Headquarters bombing or UN Iraq-Headquarters bombing. --seav 20:58, Aug 30, 2003 (UTC)

Arthur Helton
Is the dead Arthur Helton the former US Senator ?

Removal
I removed these sentences:
 * Although the UN is generally thought of as a neutral organization, it was not popular in Iraq due to its role in administration of the sanctions against Iraq in force since the end of the First Gulf War, which, according to UNICEF figures, were directly responsible for the deaths of half a million Iraqi children and a huge rise in the mortality rate.
 * The recent Security Council decision to retrospectively sanction the US occupation, a direct breach of the UN charter, has only added to the anger felt by many Iraqis towards the organization.

...because it is now more obvious that the insurgency is not a popularity-based movement, and because the second sentence is speculative and off-topic. --M4-10 20:59, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Articles on victims
I'm not sure which of the victims are notable in the Wikipedia sense. I've removed redlinks for now... but if appropriate of course articles and links can still be created. If not suitable for articles, it still might be appropriate to link to suitable web pages about these people. --Singkong2005 04:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Security shortcomings in the UN
The UN report hosted by GlobalSecurity.org lists a number of shortcomings in the UN security routines. If someone has the time, it would be great if the article could include some of those issues and implications for the UN's other mission areas. --  rxnd  ( t  |  &#8364;  |  c  ) 14:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

More Sources
Samantha Power's January piece for the New Yorker contains a wealth of information related to this incident, particularly the UN's weak security and the lack of emergency services that could have saved lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.208.72 (talk) 02:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

How many killed?
The Introduction says that 22 people were killed in the bombing, but the list of victims, which I presume is supposed to be a complete list of the fatalities, only has 21 names. The paragraph following the list notes that Marilyn Manuel was originally missing and presumed dead, but it was learned 4 days later that she had survived -- she had been evacuated to an Iraqi hospital that did not notify the UN of her presence. Is she included in the fatality count in the Introduction, or is there a name missing from the list of victims? LBourne (talk) 19:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed a name was missing. I added it today. --Pinnecco (talk) 22:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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Bombing photo
I have a photo of the site taken from the CMOC (~100 metres from 'ground zero') about two minutes after the detonation showing the destruction and fires. Unfortunately, as a 'semi-neophyte' to Wikipedia, I don't know how to replace the current 'day after' photo. Any technical help would be greatly appreciated.

William von Zehle

(NB: I'm the 'von Zehle' reference in the article!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by William von Zehle (talk • contribs) 12:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)