Talk:Cancer Diagnostic Probe

Medical claims
Hi @Spicy, in light of your comment at the DYK nomination page, I don't know if you're willing to assist with identifying the "medical claims". The claims that the device was invented and for what purpose it's been used (in Iran) does not seem to be medical claims, in my opinion. On the other hand, the claims on its efficiency, specially in comparison to other conventional methods, should be treated as medical claims. M h hossein  talk 08:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * courtesy ping. -- M h hossein   talk 06:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm back. I asked at WT:MED for someone to run a script to clean up the dreadful ref names left from the Visual editor, and they pointed out that https://iactcenter.ir/real-time-cancer-diagnostic-probe/?lang=en is a sales catalogue.  There still seem to be sourcing issues here. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  03:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Sandy. Nice to see you here again. No sourcing issues, I think. Iran Advanced Clinical Training (iACT) is a "subset of Tehran University of Medical Sciences." -- M h hossein   talk 06:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In contrast to the Mathglot's comment, the mentioned source is not "a product sales catalog page." As I already said, the page belongs to a clinical training center located in the Tehran University of Medical Sciences. So it's reliable enough. -- M h hossein   talk 08:05, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It reads like a product sales info abstract to me, and it has the words "Real-time Cancer Diagnostic Probe catalogue" on it, and multiple methods of contact information at the bottom. Does it matter that it belongs to a University medical center? Whether it's technically a catalog or not, it isn't an WP:INDEPENDENT source, as this center seems to be the one promoting and soliciting business for this probe which they apparently manufacture, distribute, or license. Mathglot (talk) 08:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Mathglot, the contact details belong to the research center, which is located in the 'Imam Khomeini hospital complex', and the iACT, as can be seen here, aims to introduce "the capabilities and promoting advanced medical equipment made in Iran and training and skills development of the country’s medical staff to use them." NO business interest is observed in the source and CDP is NOT manufactured by them rather it is a product of a private Iranian company. iACT is a training center and you can see the "Course name: Skills course for real-time detection of cancer cells during breast cancer surgery" below the page. Besides, iACT has quite similar training announcements for other made-in-Iran medical devices; see the full list here. -- M h hossein   talk 05:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. There may be a cultural barrier for me in interpreting what it is; I'm probably not as used to reading these training course device descriptions, or whatever they are, as you are, and if Sandy agrees with you then I have no objection to considering it non-promotional. I still have questions about its independence however, and would rather see a secondary source that isn't from this particular training center. If the device is important as claimed, there should be plenty of sources available. Mathglot (talk) 06:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Mathglot, I'm not in a position to agree or disagree, as I don't regularly follow DYK, don't understand their rules, and don't know why they are even interested in promoting/running most of what they do on the mainpage. I say leave this one up to the DYK regulars; I am uncomfortable with mainpage content including a medical device for which there are no secondary MEDRS sources, but I'm not sure that fits with DYK rules, where anything goes. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  07:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, and neither do I. Mhhossein, sounds like it's clear sailing for whatever you (pl.) want to do. Mathglot (talk) 07:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As I explained, my understanding of the source is that it's not promotional in nature. Will remove the tag. -- M h hossein   talk 06:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)