Talk:Candace Owens

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2024
Candace Owens is not far right. This is a term with no accurate description. I question the sources used to determine she is far right. She is Conservative. 2A00:23C8:1112:AE01:CDEC:5B5F:6209:E3E9 (talk) 18:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The statement in the header is extremely well-cited and the term far-right is well-established. If you feel there's an issue with it, please take it up on the talk page before requesting an edit. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 19:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Was recently added without consensus, i've reverted it for now -- FMSky (talk) 19:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Removal of "far-right" descriptor
Since some editors are objecting to the inclusion of the term Far-right without discussing it on the talk page, I'll start the discussion.

I believe the use of the term is appropriate here. There's quite a few news sources (provided in the Special:Diff/1215197468) that use the term when referring to her, and a quick search finds even more.

Other American politicans pages such as Marjorie Taylor Greene use the term with a similar number of citations. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 20:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * She's far more commonly called conservative. MTG is a rare exception for this extreme tag, see the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Marjorie_Taylor_Greene#Neutrality_Dispute_Tag --FMSky (talk) 21:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with using the label of far right. As is the standard on wikipedia we use what the media uses to describe her. There are 6 different citations in listed Special:Diff/1215197468.  Chefs-kiss (talk) 21:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Most sources call her conservative --FMSky (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Variety, CNN. However I think since this is very recent news and determining how the media is describing her I suggest waiting a bit more to see what the language around her is. I suggest we wait til the 24th and wait to see how this develops. Chefs-kiss (talk) 21:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Just a bunch of examples for 'conversative': 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, including one calling her "the face of black conservatism". And we literally have a section titled "Conservative activism", so unless someone wants to rewrite her entire Career and Views section, this should not go in the lead --FMSky (talk) 21:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I did find her article a bit unorganized but its true. As i said i think we should wait to see Chefs-kiss (talk) 10:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It appears that conservative is the more common label. "Far right" is a contentious label given that Wikipedia's article on the subject links the label to Nazis etc.  The original edit trying to justify the label contained some OR in order to justify the label.  Even if we have some sources that use the label, given the BLP concerns here we should scrutinize them for quality.  Such labels are often reporter opinion mixed into factual reports on what she said. Springee (talk) 13:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think this is linked to the very recent anti-semitic/blood libel stuff. Whilst Owens may have some views commonly linked to the far-right, I don't see a preponderance of sources calling her that. This is not a situation like Greene or Boebert (yet). Black Kite (talk) 19:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with the removal of far-right here. The sources are insufficient to use this label in the lede right now; of the ones added with the original edit to the article, the only RSP I see there is The Guardian, as the article from The Hill doesn't even use the term far-right. She's much more widely described as a conservative commentator (as opposed to the above examples of MTG and Boebert who are expressly called "far-right politicians" in many articles) and unless this changes the sources aren't overwhelming enough to justify it being in the lede. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 19:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Per above, I agree that this doesn't belong in the MOS:FIRST, as is not a widespread description. Also agree with the MTG and Boebert comparison; she's not quite there yet, probably one more antisemitic controversy away at present. I have however replaced the MREL reference with multiple GREL in the body per this edit, as it appears very much due at this point. I don't really see how this can be summarised in the lead without regurgitation, apart from in the final paragraph at a stretch, but I do wonder whether multiple GREL makes it relevant in the infobox under movement, given the quantity and quality of current references. CNC (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Daily Wire career in body
The intro mentions Candace's departure from the DailyWire, however this is not verified in the body. In general, WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY so it would be good to cover her 'career' and time (and eventual departure) at DailyWire in the body. Zenomonoz (talk) 23:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * it does. It's mentioned in the race section and in the career section. Chefs-kiss (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Anti Gay Uganda bill
She also praised the Uganda anti gay bill 41.59.151.25 (talk) 08:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Can you provide RS links if you want this added into the article? TomaHawk61 (talk) 03:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)