Talk:Candidates in the 2008 New Zealand general election by electorate

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Note Pansy Wong is not yet the National candidate for Botany - she is seeking it but not confirmed. DPF (talk) 07:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I saw a much more comprehensive list on someone's blog. are we sure that this is all there is? I mean, I live in Rongotai, and I would find it surprising if Annette King's renom isn't already sorted? Also, any news on a Nat for Wlg Central? It's a really important seat for them, are they still mulling it over? Rocklaw (talk) 11:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There are certainly more extensive more extensive lists out there, and most incumbents can probably be assumed to be standing again unless they've said otherwise. However, the problem is finding a source to prove it &mdash; since we're all supposed to be citing our sources and so forth, we need some sort of press release, website, media report, or other hard evidence that the candidacy isn't just speculation or predictions. Unfortunately, that can be hard to find sometimes &mdash; even where a firm decision has been made (as it probably has in the case of Annette King), there won't necessarily be any solid announcement of that, and without a solid announcement, anything we put down can be legitimately removed again as unsubstantiated. (As for Wellington Central &mdash; I don't think I've seen any announcement, and given the importance of the seat, I think they'd make a big thing of it, so I can only assume there's no news yet. Could be wrong, though.) -- Vardion (talk) 20:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a list on my blog, which I have verified direct from the parties. Not sure if that is authoritative enough for Wikipedia to accept as a source.  Nominations for Wellington Central for National are yet to open. DPF (talk) 11:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like the verifiability guidelines wouldn't quite allow your list as a reference (see the section on self-published sources, which includes blogs). Which is unfortunate, as I'd have no problem accepting your list myself. I'm no expert on Wikipedia policy, though, so another opinion would probably be a good idea. -- Vardion (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

DPF: where did you get the information for the list on your blog? Is it verifiable information? Rocklaw (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

attack of the uber menu
while I think about it, the table of contents for this page is super long. Is it perhaps better to turn the information presented here into a table, or osmething less painful to scroll through? By November, this page is going to be hella long anyway, maybe we could find ways to shrink it down as much as poss before it starts terminally expanding? Rocklaw (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Menu on the right is a great improvement!Quadparty (talk) 19:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Party Colours
I note that the Family Party has been coloured orange, presumably because that is the colour of their proposed logo.

The application for registration of that logo was rejected, and they are now seeking registration of a new one, which is not orange (political parties in New Zealand cannot have orange logos). I suggest therefore that we change the colour next to their candidates. Suggestions? Quadparty (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The defined colour for their infobox (which I've now carried over into their election box metadata was black: #000000 - though this clashes with NZ First. I've also updated RAM's colours to match their website. --IdiotSavant (talk) 13:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe ACT's colour should be cyan (as used for #bbeeff Heather Roy in Wgtn Central). The yellow currently used clashes with the Kiwi Party, and while the ACT website now seems to stress yellow, historically cyan has been associated with the party. Either that, or have a change in colour for the Kiwi Party (who have blue and red listed as their colours). Gialloneri (talk) 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * the Alliance and Labour have the same colour. that needs fixing. Take a look at the Auckland Central (NZ electorate) page, and see how confusing the MP list is. Can we change their colour (back) to dark green for the sake of clarity? Plan8sucked then (talk) 08:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * On this page at least, the Alliance and Labour (and the Workers' Party) have different colours look for example at Candidates in the New Zealand general election 2008 by electorate with has listed candidates from all 3 Quadparty (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

the conflicts are: 1. National vs Residents' Action movement (recommend changing RAM to something else, maybe dark purple) 2. Labour vs Alliance (meta colours, when used are indistinguishable) recommend reverting Alliance to dark green 3. Family Party uses black, normally used for New Zealand First, recommend using maybe orange for FP? 4. Kiwi Party and ACT use yellow, recommend maybe dark blue for Kiwi Party?

Plan8sucked then (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, those conflicts exist in reality; the colours are taken from the various parties logos and websites 9though national uses a darker blue, which I've tried to fix). RAM's colour is from its logo, as is the Alliance; the FP switched to a yellow and black colour scheme from orange, since orange is illegal in NZ.  The kiwi party should be either red or dark blue, again according to its logo.  --IdiotSavant (talk) 12:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * fine. Labour's red is too dark, the family pary can use a lighter yellow or maybe even white, and the kiwi party can use th darkest blue that we have. Is that okay? Primal (talk) 05:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Taranaki King Country Update
I don't know how to use wiki so could someone update the Taranaki King Country electorate. Renee Van Der Weet is running fo the Labour Party. kurtis (talk) 16:04, 18 May 2008(UTC)

Order
There is some deviance over the order in which the names of candidates appear in this list.

Is there any objection to (or support for) strict alphabetical order by surname?

That would be my suggestion - it is after all, the order in which the names will appear on the ballot papers (an alternative might be to have any incumbent first, followed by others in alphabetical order).

Thoughts?Quadparty (talk) 06:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There being no objection, I've alphabetised those electorates that weren't already.Quadparty (talk) 01:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * yeah. I like the alphabetised list. but I want to find some way to mark the incumbents. I think, either their row is coloured different, or, maybe bolding? ideas? Plan8sucked then (talk) 22:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Redirection of non-notable candidates to this page
In an Article for Deletion discussion for Nikki Kaye, it's been suggested that if she's not notable the article about her should be redirected here rather than deleted. Is this standard procedure here and in general? Cheers, Ryan Paddy (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So far five candidate articles have completed AFD. If I recall correctly, four were deleted and one was redirected here. For three of the deleted names I then created a new redirect to this article (the last one required a disambiguator so would have been of no value). In my Opinion (which no one has challedned to date) this is the most fair approach: If someone comes to WP and types the name of a candidate in a search box, they will either get an article (if the paerson is an incumbent or an unelected party leader) or this list, which is fully referenced. There are a couple of edge cases which haven't been dealt with yet: Terry Heffernan is quite a notable figure in NZ politics, despite never having been elected. Obviously refs will be needed to back this up. (He certainly would have been an MP had NZ moved to proportional representation any earlier - his party polled 20% but got no seats in one election).dramatic (talk) 05:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you refer me to somewhere that describes this as some sort of standard practice for political candidates or articles about non-notable subjects in general? If articles for non-notable candidates are deleted, users can still find the list of candidates using the search, so I don't see that there's much to be gained. In the redirect guideline the nearest thing is "Too short for own article", which should use the R to list entry template. Is that the standard you're going by? Ryan Paddy (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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