Talk:Candidates of the 2016 Australian federal election

NXT candidate list
See here. I've added SA, is someone eager to do the rest? Timeshift (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm basically letting this list stay moribund until the NSW redistribution is finalised, at which point I will completely refactor it in line with previous election pages. No objections to others adding known candidates though. Frickeg (talk) 23:27, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've never been good with tables, so if anyone wants to add the many announced NXT candidates throughout Australia to the article, please do. Timeshift (talk) 23:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Hshook. Timeshift (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

"the next election" ?
"the next election" sounds a bit vague,  and will be a meaningless title once it has happened.

Since the election must he held between now,  and 3 years and 3 months,  or whatever,  after the previous one,  then it will be held during 2016, no ? The 2016 Australian Federal Election would be a more meaningful and permanent title. Also, a very short preamble explaining that the timing of Australian Federal Elections is not fixed far in advance,  but is at the Prime Minister's discretion,  would be useful for the benefit of foreigners.Lathamibird (talk) 02:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


 * No. If you read Next Australian federal election, you'll see chapter and verse about exactly why it could be held as late as 14 January 2017. --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  05:38, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It's extremely unlikely to non-existent that the election would be held in the first half of January 2017, but dates do indeed technically allow for one. Turnbull has indeed said the election will be in 2016 but unfortunately that's not sufficient to change from 'next federal election' to 'federal election, xxxx'. Plenty of precedent. Timeshift (talk) 05:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Retirement
There is a list of parliamentarians who are supposedly "retiring". This is imprecise and not really correct. Some of these people may actually resign from their position before the parliamentary cycle ends. Others will continue to be MP's until the parliament is dissolved, or whatever specific event causes MP's to no longer be members.

When they say they are retiring, this really means that they "do not intend to nominate as candidates for re-election". These media statements are probably not binding, they have been known to change their mind. And some of them announce "retirement", when it becomes apparent that their party is not going to re-endorse them for re-election,  by whatever process they follow. To call that "retirement" is a polite euphemism. Is an MP who runs for re-election, and loses, "retired" ? Technically, you could say that all sitting MP's "retire" at every election they face.Lathamibird (talk) 02:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


 * All we know is what members say publicly. These people have all said they do not intend to stand again.  The reason for their decision is irrelevant.  Whether it was entirely their own decision or whether it was made for them by their party, is also irrelevant.  Yes, they still have the option of resigning any time they like rather than waiting for the dissolution of parliament, and if any of them do take that option, we'll change the list accordingly at that time.  Yes, they still have the option of changing their minds and re-nominating after all.  See previous sentence for what happens in that case.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  05:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Madigan and Hendy
(Ignoring DD) - Trying to understand why Madigan doesn't appear here and ditto Hendy in Eden-Monaro - why is it so? JennyOz (talk) 10:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't find any reference confirming that the Liberal preselection for Eden-Monaro has taken place, but it will probably be Hendy unopposed. Madigan should be in the table as his website confirms that he is running for his new party. --Canley (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Double dissolution
I think we have a bit of a problem with the Senate lists until the election is called, considering that this page is assuming it's a regular election when there's virtually no chance that it will be. Accordingly, everything about those Senate lists is wrong, both what it says about who isn't up for election and who will be, and at least some of the parties (i.e. the Tasmanian Liberals) have released preselected tickets that will actually run. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 06:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about this too... the Tasmanian Liberal Senate DD candidates are in there but currently commented out. Could we possibly include them but marked up differently, like italicised or something, with a note that italics means they are candidates in a DD only. Also, reword or add intro text for each state (which currently states that Senators elected in 2013 are not contesting, when they almost certainly will be). Just trying to think of a way which will cover both possibilities, without definitely stating one or the other. Other than the Tas Libs, has anyone released such a DD preselection order? I suppose that list was released as a political tactic and was fairly newsworthy due to the "demotion" of a sitting senator. Otherwise, to what extent can we assume that sitting Senators will recontest a double dissolution? --Canley (talk) 07:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * To no extent at all, except those (if any) who've publicly announced such a decision. Otherwise, all we know is the ones who've said they'd be standing at the assumed half-senate election. Some of the others who will now be up for election at a DD will surely choose to retire. Some of them wouldn't have been going to be standing in 2019 anyway, so a DD will just bring their decision forward. --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  10:48, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * But parties are selecting/have selected candidates for both half and full senate tickets...? Timeshift (talk) 13:45, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Why can't we add tables for both half-senate and full-senate election candidate lists? Timeshift (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I would be opposed to this as way too confusing for most people (not to mention us!). Although I agree that there is now little chance of a normal half-senate election, this page is currently about the "next federal election", which is only required to be a half-senate election until the double dissolution takes place. Perhaps a note could go under the main Senate heading to indicate the differences.


 * Regardless, while the switch to DD will be fairly straightforward when it happens, it seems a bit early for us to be making that switch now. Although I know most of the parties presumably have preselected DD tickets, not many have been reported that I know of, so the few that we have in some sort of order now will become even fewer. Let's just hold on a bit until the situation becomes a bit more set-in-stone. As an indicator, I would think when we move the page to "Candidates of the Australian federal election, 2016" would be an appropriate time to make the change. Frickeg (talk) 13:59, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

We really need to get on this now that it's actually been called, but I barely know where to start. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I've put the summaries back in, refactored for the DD. I guess we just have to search up confirmation of running order for the major parties; most or all did preselect DD tickets, but whether they were reported or not is another matter. In the meantime any tickets showing only half-Senate should really be removed if we can't find the DD order, because otherwise it's pretty misleading. Frickeg (talk) 12:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

SHY not contesting...?
When I saw this edit adding Jody Moate to Robert Simms in the SA Senate, I looked at http://greens.org.au/candidates/sa which lists Robert Simms and Jody Moate as Senate candidates but there's no mention of Sarah Hanson-Young... the latest I could find on news.google.com.au and google is this ABC article on 21 March 2016 saying they were both hoping to be preselected for top position. Does anyone know what date the preselection was/is and why she might not be listed on the Green SA candidate site? Timeshift (talk) 15:10, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, for now it's because we're still treating it as a half-senate election until it's officially called, so she's not up for re-election anyway. I've not seen any reports about which of them will lead the ticket at the DD, although I assume seniority will give it to SHY. Frickeg (talk) 20:38, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * True. Timeshift (talk) 21:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Tony Gubbins
You are still listing Tony Gubbins as Labor candidate for Hinkler. He died in January. Intelligent Mr Toad 2 (talk) 04:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC) http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/news/labor-candidate-tony-gubbins-dies-shock-heart-atta/2901769/
 * Oh dear! I have removed him from the list. --Canley (talk) 04:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking at the references, he actually withdrew his intention to nominate in November, so it was very out of date. --Canley (talk) 04:21, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like this was my stuff-up originally - good catch and thanks for fixing it up. Frickeg (talk) 08:39, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

List of candidate AfDs
Might be a good idea to start this section as i'm sure this won't be the last - Articles for deletion/Susan Templeman created. Unsuccessful election candidate with no other particular claim to noteability. Article created in good faith but contributor unaware that such a person fails to meet noteability. Tons of precedent. This is a straight-forward delete. AfD responses appreciated, thanks. Timeshift (talk) 01:40, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Australian Defence Veterans Party
Jeremy Davey - we have him as candidate for Longman as well as for Qld senate. ABC has him as candidate for Longman. ADVP site has as senate candidate. (According to a 'new' alert on their website advp is currently in caretaker mode with emergency AGM 21 May.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JennyOz (talk • contribs) 06:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I added him for the Senate listing last night based on the ADVP page—looking at it now, it has him listed for both Longman AND the Senate for Queensland, although they seem to have removed the Longman link from the menu now. I just checked his Facebook page, and it's called "Jeremy Davey – Leader of the Veterans Party and QLD Senate Candidate" so I reckon the Senate candidature is the right one. --Canley (talk) 06:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Socialist alliance
There are a number of candidates at their website but where to find senate orders? (This for Ken Canning .) Does ABC not publish a senate equiv of electorates ? JennyOz (talk) 04:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Someone asked on Antony Green's blog, they're not going to publish the senate candidates until nominations close. Fair enough too, it's all over the shop, especially with the Senate dissolution. If there is no order published, just don't list them as an ordered list (maybe use line breaks or something).--Canley (talk) 05:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. JennyOz (talk) 06:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Leyonhjelm
Presumably Leyonhjelm will be recontesting his Senate seat for the LDP in NSW. Any reason why he has not been included as a candidate, at this point? --Mrodowicz (talk) 09:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Presumably, because no one noticed they'd done preselections. However, they have now - I just hate messing around with tables. David Leyonhjelm in NSW, Gabe Buckley in Qld, Duncan Spender in Vic, Graeme Klass in WA, Clinton Mead in Tas, Roostam Sadri in SA, Cawley Hennings in ACT. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 11:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding that & posting. Hopefully, those skilled in editing tables, will update the data accordingly. --Mrodowicz (talk) 12:21, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I fully admit to being lazy with the Senate, because the tables are just that much harder to work with. We'll have to fiddle with the order at some point too (sitting senators should all be on the top row), but I tend to want to wait until nominations are closed so that we can deal with it all at once. Most of the minor parties have announced at least some Senate tickets at this point. Frickeg (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * That link on the ldp website doesnt cover all the candidates they are running in this election. I could list the ones i know are confirmed (there are 5+ running for the house in brisbane) but i doubt there will be a source available (expect for their FB pages) until the AEC released the full list of candidates. 121.208.3.240 (talk) 07:23, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * List is now up - http://ldp.org.au/candidates-2016 Sgryphon (talk) 02:48, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Please stop adding separate LDP columns to the House tables, though. They're not running enough candidates to justify that. (KAP is getting the benefit of the doubt for now as they have a sitting lower house MP, but if they don't have more candidates tomorrow we'll probably merge them into the Others column too. Family First has run a full slate in Queensland in the past, so they might get a column.) Frickeg (talk) 03:08, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * That page has two lower house candidates in SA - both in Mayo. I suspect the official nominations will be different. --Scott Davis Talk 04:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

NSW Liberals
The NSW Liberals have not decided their Senate ticket, and as of yesterday were still feuding over it. The positions you are showing are based on speculation. Intelligent Mr Toad 2 (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Australian Liberty Alliance inc
please stop linking Australian Liberty Alliance party candidates to the Q society wiki they are two entirely different entities thank you Nucopia (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)nucopiaNucopia (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have left a message on your talk page about this. The ALA link was redirecting to Q Society, I have started a stub page instead. --Canley (talk) 10:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

LDP vs Liberal Democrats
I see that someone has added a bunch of candidates from other parties, include those of the "LDP" however, since the AEC has their registered abbreviation as 'Liberal Democrats' and this is the name they are running on for the election it, imo, would make sense to relabel them on this article. 121.208.3.240 (talk) 08:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * We routinely use abbreviations of this kind to save space, regardless of whether it is the "official" abbreviation. Given the length of "Liberal Democrats" and the unnecessary bloating it would add to the table, this would be unnecessary. Frickeg (talk) 12:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

FYI - Antony now has a Senate candidate listing
See here, he now lists Senate candidates. Anyone want to go through it? Timeshift (talk) 08:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I was going to post this too. I'll do it tonight. I'll see if I can auto-generate the tables as they are a nightmare to re-order. --Canley (talk) 09:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I am happy to start (esp if Canley has tables ready) but I just looked at Antony's for Tas senate as a first sample to compare his with ours.


 * He says above his listings: "... compiled from candidate listings found on the internet... not a complete listing, nor ... possible to determine the order candidates will be listed by each party. Final candidate listings are not available until 10 June. When nominations are released, parties and candidates will be listed below in the order they are listed on the ballot paper... if you wish to notify any errors... please visit the candidate feedback page."


 * Labor - same / Libs - same candidates but he has in alpha order / Greens - same / APP - we don't have as yet / TAP - we don't have, their site has same as Antony / DHJ - same / FFP - same / FLX - same / JLN - same / LDP - he has only Mead, we also have Alston / MAP - we don't have yet / NXT - same / ONP - same / SCP - he has one more / CEC - we don't have yet / SEX - we don't have yet / HEMP - we don't have yet / PUP - he doesn't have / IND - he doesn't have / CDP - he doesn't have.


 * That's just Tas differences. We have some parties and/or candidates he doesn't and vice versa, different order for Libs. So, do we go through now and find why there are differences (ie try to determine who's more right by checking sources and party websites)... or wait til say 12 June when his will prob be up to date? Or do we just cope with another set of revisions later? My first election here so would appreciate advice as to how to help (if at all). JennyOz (talk) 10:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * If I can auto-generate the tables now, when the AEC releases the candidate data I can easily import it and regenerate the tables straight away. In the meantime, I should also be able to detect the differences with Antony's list tomorrow. I will list them here so the sources can be checked and the corrections made, or emailed to Antony if there are any errors or omissions on his list. --Canley (talk) 11:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining how it will work. I'll watch with interest. JennyOz (talk) 12:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Here are some differences I've noticed so far:

General issues
 * MAP, CEC, Antipaedophile, Progressive: No listings on WP
 * HEMP/Sex Party: Not listed as combined ticket on WP
 * LDP: Seems to have added their own candidates on WP I suspect, several not listed on ABC though (e.g. Sam Kennard)

New South Wales
 * Coalition: Three candidates missing from WP (Ok, Richards, McGahey)

Queensland
 * Labor: Claire Moore is spelt wrong on ABC
 * LDP: John Rooth (LDP) not listed on ABC – Rooth has a Facebook page confirming his candidacy
 * LNP: Rennick and Ryan are in a different order on WP and ABC (The Australian matches the ABC order)
 * Greens: ABC has Elizabeth Ure listed, WP does not, but she is not listed on the Greens' website

South Australia
 * Family First: WP has Rikki Lambert, ABC has Lucy Gixhuhi. Checked the FFP website and Lambert was incorrect, but ABC has Lucy's name spelt wrong, it's "Gichuhi"

Victoria
 * Greens: ABC has three Greens candidates missing (Coleman, Klein, Crabb), they are on the Greens Victoria website
 * Labor: WP has two Labor candidates missing (Kent, Tarczon), they are on the ALP website

--Canley (talk) 13:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC) FYI there are two new ALA senate candidates named TAS - Rodger Muller and Tony Robinson nucopia

Friendly reminder - candidate nominations close today 9 June
Just a heads up - candidate nominations close today 9 June, so Candidates of the Australian federal election, 2016 will need completing. Timeshift (talk) 23:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But they won't be announced until (going by past experience) late afternoon tomorrow, after the draws of the ballot papers and however long it takes to enter them into the AEC system. Fun times! Frickeg (talk) 23:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

http://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm


 * House of Representatives candidates are available for QLD, TAS, ACT
 * Senate candidates are available for VIC, TAS, ACT

I've done ACT and TAS House. Working on QLD. Will have to do some data cleanup before running out the Senate tables. --Canley (talk) 04:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * KAP only running in 12 out of 31 Queensland seats, I'm thinking merge them into the Others column? --Canley (talk) 04:50, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, 19 ungrouped Senate candidates in Queensland! --Canley (talk) 04:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Canley, you are as always fantastic. I'm embarking on NSW now. I say definitely merge Katter into Others in Qld, and if anyone is running a full slate or close to (FFP maybe? I haven't looked yet) and are not a total non-entity then they may be worth separating out, since there'll be room. Frickeg (talk) 08:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've done everything apart from Qld, which I leave in your capable hands. Frickeg (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Queensland is done! Will run out the Senate tables tomorrow. --Canley (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well done Canley. We should nominate you for some mini-Wiki prize for the unenviable task of finalising the candidate tables. Good on you! --Mrodowicz (talk) 11:37, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Independents in Victoria
Dear compiler (HSHooks), there was a link from the Victoria Independents group to Australian Democrats (the all but defunct political party). This is inappropriate as the AEC has this Independent group for people who are not affiliated with an AEC-registered party, who are not registering as candidates in a bloc, and who are unaffiliated with each other. One of the candidates is actually from the neo-Nazi UPF, another is from Prosper Australia and the 3rd has no apparent affiliation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.103.4 (talk) 06:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Merge CDP and FFP in WA and Vic?
Merge CDP and FFP in WA and Vic? Timeshift (talk) 03:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Why? Did I miss something? The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:32, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry? What I mean is I think they should go in to the other column. Timeshift (talk) 05:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Nah, especially not WA. The columns aren't only for parties running in every seat - where there are only three, we've always split out the next-best thing in the past. It helps to reduce the size of the table and generally helps with readability. The other option in Victoria was Animal Justice, which I think may be running more individual candidates, but on the other hand Family First has both federal representation and has had a senator in Victoria, so I went with that. Frickeg (talk) 05:55, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Animal Justice is running 26 candidates in Victoria, Family First has 17. --Canley (talk) 06:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

ACP
We use ACP as abbreviation for both Country and Cyclists. Doing a search down page, to say count candidates, may be misleading if readers do not think to hover or visit link. Is this a problem? JennyOz (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I changed the Country Party ones to "Country"–however someone would have to search for the brackets or they will pick up the two CountryMinded candidates. Maybe we should change the Cyclists to that as that's how they are abbreviated in the Senate tables? --Canley (talk) 06:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "Country" and "Cyclists" instead of "ACP" fixes that one. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the Senate. In the House I think Country should keep ACP and we could use "Cyc" for the Cyclists. Frickeg (talk) 12:08, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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