Talk:Cane Hill Hospital

Picture
the picture title says "Cane hill prior to demolition" or similar but the hills still there. Also this site is still very popular with urban explorers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.176.180 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Untitled
The (now merged) Cane Hill Hospital page said, "Cane Hill is Grade II listed and is currently deserted." I'm not sure how to verify whether it's Grade II or delisted. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Cane Hill
Please, could you complete Cane Hill history with the poem of Anne Clark "Cane Hill". She worked there in the eighties and from her experience wrote a beautiful text.

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Also working there, in the Eighties and/or Nineties, was David Rothberg, later Chairman, for over a decade, of the Coulsdon West Residents Association. Autochthony wrote. 2017 Z 2011-September 27th. 86.129.157.202 (talk) 20:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Page Move/Merge
I have suggested that this page be moved/merged to Cane Hill Hospital (which at present redirects here) because the name always/almost always included the element 'Hospital' in official documentation. As such it seems that that title would be more accurate for this page. Please see technical move request for more details.--Broomwicks (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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OIH awards
Unreliabale source says of Cane Hill Hospital:

""In March 1948 a patient who had climbed up onto the roof of his ward was rescued by two nurses, despite it being dark at the time. The nurses were rewarded with the Daily Herald Order of Industrial Heroism for their bravery.""

Does anyone have a source, and/ or more details, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * There are a range of sources on the article for the award but I am struggling to see any recipients listed for around that year. I've heard the story of the nurses before, but I'm unable to trace anything further. Comfycore (talk) 21:08, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I've found entries for two nurses receiving the award that year on the The Life Saving Awards Research Society database:
 * Harold Childs: Order of Industrial Heroism, Date:  29 June 1948, Award number: 187, Occupation: Male Nurse, Location: Cane Hill Hospital, Caterham, Page: 60
 * Henry Garnett: Order of Industrial Heroism, Date:  29 June 1948 Award number: 188 Occupation: Male Nurse Location: Cane Hill Hospital, Caterham Page: 87
 * These tie in with the column in the Daily Herald - Wednesday 30 June 1948, page 3 which reads as follows:
 * The Daily Herald Order of Industrial Heroism was presented to two male nurses for a "calculated act of bravery" in saving the life of a patient. Each also received a cheque.
 * The men, Harold Childs, aged 42, and Henry Garnett, aged 36, of the Cane Hill Mental Hospital, Coulsdon, Surrey, clambered on to a sloping roof in the dark after an escaped patient and rescued him from a 40-feet drop.
 * The medals were presented at County Hall, Westminster, by Mrs Ormerod, chairman of LCC Mental Hospitals Committee.
 * I'll be adding this better source and their names to the article, I'll also update the mens' entries on the respective OIH article's award table.
 * --Comfycore (talk) 14:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

SLaM reference
As it is no longer part of SLaM i would like to remove the references (eg website ) Andrewblack (talk) 13:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I have removed the website from the infobox. Dormskirk (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

1950s House of Commons Involvement & Significance in Eventual Closure of Britains Asylums
Overview

During the 1950s Cane Hill was subject to debate several times in the House of Commons by MP Norman Dodds with regards to a then and later former patient, Mrs Harriet Thornton. Together with MP Donald Johnson (British politician) he successfully campaigned for the release of Mrs Thornton, as documented by a British Pathe newsreel.

The debates themselves are of significant interest and provide insight into the hospital, as well as the footage from British Pathe providing historical views of the hospital in 1956 (a signposted entrance is clearly shown). The UK Common's Hansard also provides dates of her granted discharge on 25th October 1956 as well as other specific dates of her involvement with Cane Hill.

Mrs Thornton's story, at least to me, seems notable enough to add to the article in some regard (or merits an article of her own?), as two MPs were personally involved and her case was brought before the Commons on multiple occasion.

Mr Dodds also is on record several times querying and receiving detailed insight into the practices and treatments of Cane Hill, for instance there are Hansard records of the rewards and "pay" patients of the hospital received for performing tasks such as laundry, and the distribution of cigarettes to patients.

Intent to expand article significantly

I will be sandboxing several additions to the Cane Hill article, with a look to use a still of the entrance from the Pathe newsreel, Mr Dodds and Dr Johnson's involvement & documenting of the wages received by patients etc. Cane Hill is not insignificant, it was often (perhaps unusually) referenced in the debates leading to the eventual decline & closure of Britains asylums.

I will be thrashing this out for a while, and hope to publish the changes before too long. I'm writing here so any concerns can be voiced. I'm still fairly new at editing, but feel this is a suitable expansion and "bold".

Re Copyright of Stills

With regards to stills from the British Pathe newsreel, I believe these to be useable, "Films made before 1 June 1957 were not protected as films but as sequences of photographs", so I believe these out of copyright? It would be good to have the still of the 1956 entrance sign on the article. Comfycore (talk) 23:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I have added a brief passage on the case of Mrs Thornton, while doing so I took the opportunity to tidy up the History section with subheadings to make the article more readable. --Comfycore (talk) 22:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)