Talk:Cantabria/Archives/2023

Independence
I think the Independence movement should be documented

Etymology
The translation of "cant" as rock in celtic is very suspect. Rock is "karrek" in Cornish brythonic celtic, and "craig" in gaelic celtic (hence crag in English), the Breton also use "roch", and stone is "men" in cornish or "cloch" in gaelic. I'm not sure which version the Celtiberians spoke but adjacent Bretons speak a version similar to Cornish today. "Cant" does not sound like "karrek" etc Julian D (talk) 12:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julian D (talk • contribs) 12:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC) Indeed the wording is poor on the next sentence as the name maybe related to kant or cant, not directly to Kent. I will leave the dubious claim in the first sentence but reword. And it does indeed need a citationJulian D (talk) 11:27, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Move proposal

 * Support the move - we should always prefer the simplest solution--Aldux 16:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. By any measure, the notability/profile of the Spanish entity outweighs the other usage(s) of the term; move back to Cantabria.--cjllw | TALK  06:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Yes, if it redirects here, and the other article is nobody, move it. Skinnyweed 16:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 07:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Question on translation approach
I hope I'm not out of line to ask this, but I wonder how useful it is to translate isolated tiny words (e.g. in the Climatology section: "is", "of") into English and leave the rest of the sentence in Spanish? In general I think you end up with *much* more readable English if whole sentences are translated at once, or at least a whole clause within a sentence.

Thoughts? Jlaramee 21:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. If somebody translated isolated words of a paragraph it can be confusing, and when I (or somebody else) try to complete the translation of the paragraph, I usually have to go back to the Spanish article to see the original meaning of the sentence. Any help is appreciated, but I think the minimum translation unit should be one sentence or sometimes one wikilink.--Wafry 21:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

History
Hi. The History section is a bit long, with no subdivisions. I'm working on its translation now, but meanwhile, or after that we should try to divide it in subsections, like Prehistory, Roman era, etc. How do you propose to do it? --Wafry 18:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just about to suggest the same thing; I'm surprised it was never broken up in the original article. When I have another moment I'll give some thought to how it should be divided. --Jlaramee 21:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have given it a subdivision, just as proposal. Feel free to change it as you like. --Wafry 18:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

What does this piece of text in the article mean?
"In the 16th century the name La Montaña (The Mountain) was spread at popular and literary level, to designate the Ancient Cantabria opposed to Castile, which was to mean solely the Central Plateau. This distinction has survived until today."

What does that supposed to mean? The text is very unclear. Could someone explain so I and possible others could rephrase the paragraph? Ka34 15:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it is unclear. I'll try to explain, so you can rephrase as you see fit.
 * In those days, the Kingdom of Castile was almost the whole Iberian Peninsula, including Cantabria, so to refer specifically to the region of Cantabria, they used "The Mountain", both in popular language and in more formal language. And, when they used the name "Castile" they refered to the whole Kingdom minus Cantabria, i.e. more or less the Central Meseta (or Castilian Meseta, Central Mesa, or whatever is the name in English). --Wafry 20:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Translation
Congratulations on the excellent translation of this great article. Badagnani 16:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Fires and vegetation
The text says:

"Repeated fires in the last two decades throughout the region have worsened the quality of the vegetation"

This affirmation lacks sources. In addition, in this news of El Diario Montañés (in Spanish), the principal newspaper of the region, says that "Cantabria is one of most hoisted of Spain and the EU" and that the surface of trees increased between a 24% and 41% in the last 10 years (73% are autochthonous forests).

I erase this paragraph. --Tony Rotondas 10:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dear Rotondas:

Both in relative and absolute terms the use of woods for forestry has increased, and is now almost 70% of all woods in Cantabria.

Fire is not the only cause of forest destruction. In fact what is now the biggest cause is the Illegal mixture of native forests with eucalyptus, which is extremely difficult to control, and is being conducted with the tacit agreement of the local councils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.50.144.147 (talk) 00:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

In fact the conservative newspaper "EL Diario Montañes" is know for its traditional adherence to hard economic growth policies based on resources and industry over services that could make use of ecological interests (such as nature-tourism). Not surprisingly the article you mention is more a praise of the Governor in question than anything else.

Nevertheless the article underscores the arson problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.50.144.147 (talk) 01:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Middle Ages Section: Confusing Sentence
The first sentence in the Middle Ages section states, "Following the collapse of the Roman Empire, Cantabria regained its independence from the rule of the Visigoths."

So, Cantabria was held by the Romans in the previous section, then Rome fell, then... When did the Visigoths take over and for how long? I know the Visigoths raided the Italian peninsula and many other places, carving out places to rule from the decaying Western Roman Empire, but even that isn't necessarily common knowledge (I took Latin in high school & went to nationals for JCL, so some of that stuck).

There's just too large a jump here. I'm sorry I can't fix it myself. Thanks for your help. Geekdiva (talk) 08:08, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion about Cantabria
There is an ongoing discussion that is now focussed on Cantabria, in this talk page: Talk:Nationalities and regions of Spain. Some new points of view from people with good knowledge about Cantabria would be very welcome. Jotamar (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion
These unused sources were cluttering up the Bibliography section: Kindly restore them once they are actually being cited in the article. — Llywelyn II   23:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * VV.AA.:Guía de la naturaleza de Cantabria. Santander: Estvdio, 1993; ISBN 84-87934-21-8
 * VV.AA.: Gran Enciclopedia de Cantabria. Santander: Cantabria, 1985 (8 tomos) y 2002 (tomos 9, 10 y 11); ISBN 84-86420-00-8
 * VV.AA.: Cantabria 1898-1998. Un siglo de imágenes. Santander: Caja Cantabria, 1999.

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Castro Urdiales
This statement: "Castro Urdiales has an official population of 28,542,[16] making it the fourth largest in the region because of its proximity to the Bilbao metropolitan area, there are a large number of people not registered in Castro Urdiales, and the true count may be double the official figure.[citation needed]" (sic) is completely unfounded. If Castro Urdiales functions as a dormitory town for nearby Bilbao, then "this large number of people" would have been officially counted as citizens of Castro-Urdiales in the respective census. Alternatively, if they are day-trippers or pilgrims or day-laborers, they do not indeed belong to Castro-Urdiales. This type of unsubstantiated statements should not find their way into the English-language wikipedia.

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