Talk:Canton High School (Massachusetts)

Making Changes
We are a teacher and librarian working with our Journalism class on adding and improving our school's Wikipedia page.

1. Should we post on the Talk page all of our additions that we want to make on our page first and then make it live? We are learning about how Wikipedia works. Thank you!

Telisj (talk) 17:47, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

1. Is the word "extra-curricular" spelled correctly? What do you prefer? 2. Should we add the sub headings Clubs and Sports? Or Sports and Clubs?

Seems like "extracurricular" is only one word. Murphychs (talk) 16:44, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Telisj (talk) 14:46, 22 March 2017 (UTC)telisj

How can we add the names of notable alumni without creating a conflict of interest? We work and learn here at the school, so what steps do we need to take to avoid any conflicts?Murphychs (talk) 14:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * To answer your main question,, the best way to get changes made to this page is to post here with your requested changes and use request edit. Primefac (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Murphychs (talk) 14:50, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Suggested Edit: New Superintendent
http://www.thecantoncitizen.com/2016/08/05/school-committee-news-57/

Please drop Jennifer Henderson from "Superintendent" and add Jennifer Fischer-Mueller. Also, please drop Jim Goff from "Dean" and add Julianne Shore. They were hired at the beginning of the year. Murphychs (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Primefac (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit: Consider for Table of Contents
Please consider the following Table of Contents changes so that we may research and update each of the topics:

Contents [hide] 1	History 2	Academics 2.1	English 2.2	Math 2.3	Science 2.4	Foreign Language 2.5	History 2.6	Electives 3	Extracurriculars 3.1	Clubs 3.2	Sports 4	Notable Alumni 5	References 6	External links We will probably add to this list as we progress, but will suggest the edits along the way. Murphychs (talk) 15:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ - the table of contents is generated automatically based on what sections are there. Empty sections are generally discouraged. You are welcome, of course, do still do the research and request sections be added when you're ready. Primefac (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Suggested Edit: School Mission Statement
Please consider adding a Mission Statement heading, under which reads: To develop students who are competent and creative thinkers, curious and confident learners, and compassionate citizens.

http://www.edline.net/pages/CantonHighSchool/AboutCHS

Murphychs (talk) 15:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Please see WP:MISSION. Primefac (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Request Edit: Assistant Principal
Please add Henry McDeed as Assistant Principal.

http://www.edline.net/pages/CantonHighSchool

Murphychs (talk) 17:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ - The vice-principal field was deprecated from the infobox. That's why it is not displaying. See WP:WPSCH/AG and Template:School. Meters (talk) 17:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Request Edit: English Courses
Please add heading "Academics" and the subheading "English" Sequence of courses: Grade 9: Voices of Literature:A Study of Genres English 1 (H or CP) Grade 10: Voices of the American Dream English 2 (H or CP) Grade 11: Voices in British and World Literature AP English Language and Composition English 3 (H or CP) Grade 12: Voices in Contemporary World Literature: A Literary Journey AP English Literature and Composition English 4 (H or CP) Electives Writer’s Workshop Co-taught American Identities and Media Literacy Journalism and Publishing Independent Study: Co-taught American Identities and Media Literacy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zba3P9-darhnRxzHLMKd5z5BHTkoYVpcxShBNcgZ9pQ/edit CHS official program of studies

Anastasiyachs (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ We don't provide course lists, unless there is something exceedingly special about it. This is because every secondary school has more-or-less the same curriculum. Primefac (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Graduation Requirements
add graduation requirements under Academic under a sub heading of graduation requirements Graduation Requirements: Students are required to complete 120 credits to be eligible for graduation. It’s mandatory for them to complete: Four years of English, Three years of Social Studies, Three years of Math, Three years of Science, Two years of World Language, Four years of Wellness, Six credits of Art (either visual, performing, and/or industrial), Three credits of computer/technology classes. Canton High Students are also required to achieve a 240 or higher on all MCAS, as rule of state law, in order to receive their diploma.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zba3P9-darhnRxzHLMKd5z5BHTkoYVpcxShBNcgZ9pQ/edit#heading=h.2et92p0 Caitlynchs (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ As stated for the other sections, this stuff is all fairly standard secondary school fair. Primefac (talk) 18:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

CHS Hockey
Please add the following under the heading: "Extracurricular" and sub-head "Sports"

Canton High School Hockey has won the last seven Hockomock league titles and nine out of the last ten. The one year they didn't win the league was the year they won the Division Two State Championship in 2010.

https://sites.google.com/a/westwood.k12.ma.us/canton-high-school-bulldogs-hockey/history

Patrickchs (talk) 18:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Are there any sources other than the high school's own website that can corroborate that information, such as newspaper articles? Primefac (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * To clarify: Canton High School Hockey has won the last seven Hockomock league, Davenport titles, and nine out of the last ten, overall.
 * https://hockomocksports.com/history/league-champions/hockey/
 * Hockomock Sports Official website — Preceding unsigned comment added by Murphychs (talk • contribs) 19:48, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Normally we only list State championships. League championships are not usually considered notable. The school has many League championships but has this been the subject of independent coverage? Meters (talk) 18:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to decline this one due to the issues raised by Meters. Feel free to re-open when sources are provided. Primefac (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

History
Want to add historical photo of Canton High School in 1869.

http://cantonmahistorical.pbworks.com/w/page/34430008/Canton%20High%20School

Do I need to upload photo to Wikimedia Commons?

Amandachs (talk) 18:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that image is in the public domain, but I would check at WP:IMAGEHELP before uploading to Commons. Primefac (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Request Edit: Significant English course
Please add "American Identities" as a significant course under the heading "Academics" and the subheading "English"

Along with basic English classes, Canton High School also offers an American Identities course that is unique to this particular high school. Students constantly receive messages from the media and society about who they are and what they are supposed to be. This full-year course, designed like a college seminar, will teach students to deconstruct these messages in order to understand what really comprises their identity. During the first semester, students will engage in discussions that raise awareness of stereotypes, challenge students to question their own biases, and discuss ways to promote respect. The second semester will be dedicated to a service learning project where students apply what they have learned in semester 1 to a real-world application. Our goal is for students to envision a better world and recognize the power of their own voices in creating this world.

http://canton.wickedlocal.com/news/20160419/canton-high-school-teacher-receives-excellence-in-education-award

Anastasiyachs (talk) 18:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ - find sources from outside Canton to demonstrate this is truly a unique program that has been recognized on a large scale. Primefac (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to the Goldin Foundation, who awarded Ms. Kelly for her work with this class, specifically:
 * http://goldinfoundation.org/AwardRecipientsProfilesHS.htm


 * I believe I've provided the necessary support (see Kathleen Kelly and her profile for her Goldin Foundation award. Since you haven't responded to this addition, can I assume it's ok to post? Murphychs (talk) 16:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * , we're all volunteers here. I myself have been away from Wikipedia since Wednesday and don't have time to devote to edit requests today. It may take a few days. There is no deadline. Please be patient. Primefac (talk) 17:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ Per same reasoning given by Primefac below: When discussing "notable" faculty or alumni, we are talking about "notable" individuals who meet Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines. "Notable" and "famous" in the real world mean completely different things than "notable" on Wikipedia. In an article such as this, we only add names to lists when they are Wikipedia-notable, i.e. they have their own page. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

World Language Week
Please add World Language Week under academics sub heading number 2.

edline.net

Laurenchs (talk) 15:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌. See previous responses regarding general school academics. Primefac (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Notable Alumni
Add Heading Notable Alumni


 * Chuck Hogan (author) 1986
 * Bobby Witt (athlete)

Telisj (talk) 15:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Primefac (talk) 16:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

We Are Canton
Please add under heading "We are Canton"

We are Canton was a community project run by teacher Kate Kelly to exemplify and explore the identities of students and teachers within the Canton High Community. On public display from November 16th to the 19th in the Rodman building in front of the high school, pictures of students and staff were on showcase with statements underneath that all together exposed the diversity of the members within the Canton High and Canton Community.

http://www.cantonma.org/pages/CantonPublicSchools/AboutCantonPublicSchools/WeAreCanton

http://www.thecantoncitizen.com/2016/11/11/we-are-canton/ second source moved from duplicate request by Meters (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Caitlynchs (talk) 15:27, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * What do people think about including this? It's an interesting class project, but I don't see it as being worth mentioning. Meters (talk) 18:39, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think if it receives no coverage outside of Canton itself, then it's not notable. I'm sure other schools have done similar projects "inspired by Humans of New York". Primefac (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Declining for now, re-open when non-local sources talk about it. Primefac (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

History
add new section history

add first photo of Canton High School

Amandachs (talk) 15:27, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ This was already asked and discussed. Did you contact WP:IMAGEHELP as instructed? Meters (talk) 17:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Championship History
Please add the following to the heading Extracurriculars subhead Sports Canton High School athletics has won titles ranging from league to state championships in every sport at least once with exception to boys and girls cross country, wrestling, softball, boys tennis, and boys track and field.

https://hockomocksports.com/history/

Patrickchs (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ❌ This is rather promotional statement. A sourced list of the particular State championships won would be appropriate. Meters (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Visual Arts
Canton High School students are required to complete 6 art credits to graduate. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zba3P9-darhnRxzHLMKd5z5BHTkoYVpcxShBNcgZ9pQ/edit Bellaagus (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌. Please see previous responses regarding curriculum information. Primefac (talk) 15:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Request Edit : MCAS Scores
Please insert under heading "MACS Scores" and subheading "2016" GRADE 10 - ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARTS	228	92	247	232	91	256	57,875	84	69,027 GRADE 10 - MATHEMATICS	198	80	247	202	79	256	45,508	66	69,032 HS - BIOLOGY	169	73	230	171	72	239	25,031	49	51,147 HS - CHEMISTRY			5			5	435	52	840 HS - INTRODUCTORY PHYSICS							7,237	47	15,317 HS - TECHNOLOGY / ENGINEERING							1,246	46	2,713 ALL GRADE - ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARTS	228	92	247	232	91	256	125,798	74	169,058 ALL GRADE - MATHEMATICS	198	80	247	202	79	256	118,185	70	169,079 ALL GRADE - SCIENCE AND TECH/ENG	170	72	235	563	74	761	116,280	56	208,084 http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/openresponseitems.aspx?orgcode=00500505&orgtypecode=6& Anastasiyachs (talk) 15:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌. Wikipedia is not a grade book, nor do we list every detail about a subject. Primefac (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Request Edit: Advanced Placement
Please add subheading "Advanced Placement" under heading "Academics"

At CHS, students have the opportunity to take Advanced Placement (AP) classes as a junior or a senior, with sixteen different AP courses being available at the school. CHS was given the AP Honor Roll Award in its seventh year of the award existence. The award is given to schools who increase their number of students participating in AP courses, as well as improve their scores on AP tests.

http://www.thecantoncitizen.com/2017/01/20/canton-ap-district-honor-roll/

https://www.niche.com/k12/canton-high-school-canton-ma/academics/

TaylorCHS (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2017 (UTC)TaylorCHS
 * ❌. Seriously. Stop requesting course information. It won't be added. Primefac (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * This seems like more than simply "course information"--rather it indicates recent strides in academic achievement here at the high school. Wouldn't that be notable (In our field it certainly is!)? Perhaps it doesn't make us "unique," but the achievement is notable. Here is a link to a published resource from College Board to add, which also indicates the relative rarity of this accomplishment (433 schools in U.S. and Canada achieved the distinction).
 * https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/ap/ap-district-honor-roll-7th-annual.pdf
 * Also, please recognize that you are dealing with high school students genuinely interested in improving the article that represents our school (and, by extension hope to improve Wikipedia). We are novice and bound to make mistakes. Be direct with us, help us, but don't scold our students. We suggested changes on the talk page instead of making the edits directly, we suggested something we deemed noteworthy, and cited it--all modifications that were applied from your suggestions (and others') for our previous requests. We're not looking to simply flood the page with pointless info. If there's something else we need to do in order for this info to pass your judgments, let us know and we'll make the change. Murphychs (talk) 10:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ Many schools offer unique courses and learning curriculum, but unless it receives significant, in depth coverage, it's not appropriate for an encyclopedic entry. Articles do not list every possible aspect of a business, institution or person but the significant and notable aspects of each. As far as scolding goes - no one was scolding students. Primefac was being firm and direct after several requests that ultimately had no chance of being included. All editors, regardless of age or education are treated the same and are expected to follow certain policies and guidelines but some lenience is afforded to new editors with the expectation that they heed the advice and guidance from more experienced editors. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  17:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that the fact that the school offers the AP program is worth mentioning. I'll add that unless someone objects. I don't think we need to go into detail about what AP is since we would just link to Advanced Placement. The AP Honor Roll Award is a district level award. Why would we mention in in an article about one particular school? Is this the only high school in the district?
 * As for the comment "If there's something else we need to do in order for this info to pass your judgments, let us know and we'll make the change." we've already done that. See the link below that I posted two days ago. We're volunteers and, while we appreciate that you are following the conflict of interest rules, we get tired of dealing with requests where it's clear the poster has not read the school article guidelines, or worse yet, is repeating a request. Meters (talk) 18:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@Meters--Thanks for the clarification. We will certainly use that link you added (in fact, we'll spend class time today just drafting sections for publication. We won't even suggest them for edit until we double-check that we include only what is suggested and we avoid including anything in the "what not to include" section). It's a great resource for us, but I don't think we were directed to that specific link in any of the threads that preceded Primefac's curt response. To answer your other question: yes, CHS is the only high school in the district (there is a vocational school in town, but I don't think it's connected to Canton Public School district). We will continue reading the guiding articles as we progress and hope to minimize faults on our end. Thanks for your help! Murphychs (talk) 14:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I gave you the link here, two days before this thread started. I even told you in this thread that I had already given you the link before with: "See the link below that I posted two days ago." Please read the responses you are given a bit more carefully.
 * Since the district has only the one high school I don't see a problem mentioning the AP Honor Roll Award in this article, as long as we also mention that this is the only high school in the district. I'll add that too if no-one objects. Meters (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * FWIW I don't know that I agree with it being included - if it were the only one in the state, that would be a different story, imo. Being the only HS in any given district isn't notable imo, but i'll defer to someone more experienced in this than I am. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  22:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@METERS: Ahh, I see--the heading you posted was from later, but you referred to that resource when we tried to Add Henry McDeed to the infobox. We will continue reading these help pages. Thanks! Murphychs (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Guideline for content of school articles
Please read WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG for advice on wha ttype of material should go in a school article. Meters (talk) 18:27, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Notable Faculty and Staff
Add new section 'Notable Faculty and Staff'

Martin J. Badoian (mathematics teacher)

Kathleen Rudewicz Kelly Canton High School English teacher and author

Telisj (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * - Badoian has a page (and is thus notable), Kelly does not. Primefac (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

please add under 'Notable Faculty and Staff

Dave Bohane Wellness Teacher and Football Coach

Telisj (talk) 17:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌. When discussing "notable" faculty or alumni, we are talking about "notable" individuals who meet Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines. "Notable" and "famous" in the real world mean completely different things than "notable" on Wikipedia. In an article such as this, we only add names to lists when they are Wikipedia-notable, i.e. they have their own page. Primefac (talk) 17:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

COI editing
This article has been edited by a slough of editors with "CHS" attached to their uernames, including User:Murphychs, User:Sineadchs, User:Amandachs, User:Taylorchs, User:Patrickchs, User:Anastasiyachs, User:Laurenchs, and more. The consistency with which these names is generated suggests to me that they are being created by the school staff and that they are all quite possibly sockpuppets. Anyone want to open up an WP:SPI? KDS4444 (talk) 18:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think an SPI is required. It appears to be a school project, and the students (and at least one teacher) are correctly attempting to follow the COI guidelines. Multiple users from the same school does not imply socking, and the consistency of the names is likely just a result of this being a class project. The usernames are not an issue. See my talk page for more. Meters (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, definitely not socking (or even meat, for that matter). Half of the conversations on this talk page indicate that it's a school group/project. Primefac (talk) 18:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Granted. Doesn't this still make their edits to the article a COI issue? (None of them has made a declaration on his/ her userpage, for example). KDS4444 (talk) 18:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well spotted, and of course that's why they're making edit requests all up and down the page... Yes, they should state that they're from the school, but so far they have been playing by the rules (for the most part). Sorry for the attitude, it's been one of those days. Primefac (talk) 18:31, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course it's COI issue. That's why they have been proposing edits on the talk page rather than making them directly since they were informed of the problem. Ideally they would also formally declare their conflicts of interest on their talk pages or by using a "connected contributor" template on this page, but by requesting edits on an unprotected page they are indirectly declaring their conflicts of interest already. I'll add a template to this page that they can fill in as they wish. Meters (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I had not reviewed the talk page before adding this section. I saw multiple instances of edits directly to the article with "chs" suffixes, and my radar went up.  UserboxCOI would have been a good way to make declarations.  (Um, that was a hint, Amanda, Taylor, Anastasiya, Murphy, Sinead, Patrick, etc.) KDS4444 (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

The templates, be they on userboxes or articles or wherever else, are meant to alert non-involved readers and just-arrived editors that they should be on the lookout for the sorts of additions to the website that COI forbids. But we've got a combination of the "chs" suffix, the immediate end to editing the article once they became aware of COI, and their ongoing, good-faith, successful efforts to comply with it. That seems to be enough that adding those templates wouldn't be getting anything across that isn't already obvious. Because while it's not deliberate, those templates serve as a "watch this person's behavior" badge, and in terms of behavior, they've seriously behaved like we wish everybody with a conflict would.  City O f  Silver  16:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no concerns at all with how the school editors are acting. I simply put the connected contributor template up since one editor was still questioning this. I have no objection to it being removed. Meters (talk) 17:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Suggested Edit: School History--Origin of CHS
Please consider the following first paragraph for under the heading of "History": We plan on adding more to the history of the school as we discover it through research.

Canton High School is situated in Canton, Mass, about half a mile from Canton Center, on Washington Street. First discussed in 1866 among prominent members of the town of Canton, the high school was established in 1869, when, for the first time, four classes were educated in the same building at a grammar school in South Canton. Thanks! Murphychs (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

✅, filled in ref Meters (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

History
please add under history

The Hemenway School opened in 1911, as Canton’s principle high school, due to the population increase and a need for a larger building to accommodate. It became an elementary school in 1950 after high school students transferred to a new building.

Caitlynchs (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅, though slightly modified. Primefac (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Athletics
Please add under extracurriculars;

Canton High School’s athletic teams compete in the Hockomock League conference in a variety of both boys and girls sports. The school colors are green and white and the school mascot is a bulldog. Every Thanksgiving since 1926, Canton’s football team has squared off against the Stoughton Black Knights, a neighboring and rival town. The all-time standings between the two teams in 46-40-4 in favor of the Black Knights. Canton High School’s boys hockey team won the Massachusetts state championship in 2010.

Patrickchs (talk) 17:21, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like this has already been done. Primefac (talk) 17:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)